Ontario Covid Hospital Cases (always updated daily

[TeeJay]

• Hospitalized
  507
• ICU
  156
• On ventilator
  92
• 19 dead

Yesterdays numbers are fraud

ON govt has already publicly admitted they way over counted (again)

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[doggystyle99]

If that CTV report is accurate, fewer than 200 people outside of Long Term Care Homes have died from covid (and these too, would be majority with pre-existing conditions and older folks).

We're shutting down entire countries for this.

MrUnknown we are shutting down to avoid having unnecessary number of cases which will eventually and in the case of COVID exponentially lead to unnecessary number of positive cases needing hospital care, leading to hospitals being overrun, leading to an unnecessary number of deaths, that's why we are shutting down. That's for anyone whose been leaving under a rock the last 11 or so months we do not want to see what happened early on in Wuhan, Italy, Spain, Belgium, UK, USA. It's a combination of avoiding unnecessary deaths and limiting people catching the virus.

But hey if you think that chances of surviving are good and the long term effects are nothing to worry about, you can put your money where your mouth is, give a few family members/loved ones for your cause, your mother, an aunt, a kid, a cousin and a friend to catch COVID and see how they fare in the short term as well as the long run.

If they make it roughly 20% will have mental health issues
https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/one...agnosis-within-90-days-study-suggests.730297/

Then there is also the effects of those who have mild cases of COVID who are having persistent inflammation of the heart months down the road, that will eventually lead to shorter lives. Which all these facts are lost on you "Stable Genius's".

As well some of you are sadly mistaken if you think the current spike we are seeing is going away anytime soon, the hospitals in Ontario are already over 80% capacity in ICU beds and it's going to get worse before it gets better.

 

[MissCroft]

I just want to point out that Influenza can (and does) cause heart inflammation. . I know firsthand because I lost someone extremely close and dear to me years ago due to Cardiomyopathy initially caused by a bad bout of the flu. The flu led to heart inflammation (Myocarditis) and shortly after, he was diagnosed with Progressive Cardiomyopathy. The prognosis is not good - usually a 8-10 year survival rate. He managed to survive for a few years. He died in his thirties.

I learned that it was more common than people realize. An acquaintance of mine lost his wife a couple of years ago due to the same condition....Progressive Cardiomyopathy caused by a virus. She was in her early forties.

I am not lessening or doubting the fact that Covid-19 can also cause this terrible side effect (I know that it can - there's absolutely zero doubt in my mind), but I don't want people to ignore the fact that Influenza is very capable of doing this as well.

 

[doggystyle99]

Those facts are not lost on me at all. I just want to point out that Influenza can (and does) do that too. I know firsthand because I lost someone extremely close and dear to me years ago due to Cardiomyopathy initially caused by a bad bout of the flu. The flu led to heart inflammation (Myocarditis) and shortly after, he was diagnosed with Progressive Cardiomyopathy. The prognosis is not good - usually a 8-10 year survival rate. He managed to survive for a few years. He died in his thirties.

I learned that it was more common than people realize. An acquaintance of mine lost his wife a couple of years ago due to the same condition....Progressive Cardiomyopathy caused by a virus. She was in her early forties.

I am not lessening or doubting the fact that Covid-19 can also cause this terrible side effect (I know that it can - there's absolutely zero doubt in my mind), but please do not ignore the fact that Influenza is very capable of doing this as well.

Since you responded to my post you must consider yourself as one of the "Stable Genius's".
Not a single part of my post has any relevance to Influenza nor do I mention Influenza even once, and COVID-19 is not Influenza.
What the "Stable Genius" crowd like yourself continuously has tried to do is attempt to undermine the threat that COVID-19 represents and try to compare it to influenza, remember initially by your "Stable Genius" standards COVID-19 numbers were supposed to be like Influenza and nothing more, but that ship sailed many months ago and early on in the pandemic, assertions were either based on personal wants or ignorance then and they are now.

Now you trying to tell me and I quote "do not ignore the fact that influenza is very capable of doing this as well" where in my post do you see me stating otherwise about Influenza?

 

[MissCroft]

Since you responded to my post you must consider yourself as one of the "Stable Genius's".
Not a single part of my post has any relevance to Influenza nor do I mention Influenza even once, and COVID-19 is not Influenza.
What the "Stable Genius" crowd like yourself continuously has tried to do is attempt to undermine the threat that COVID-19 represents and try to compare it to influenza, remember initially by your "Stable Genius" standards COVID-19 numbers were supposed to be like Influenza and nothing more, but that ship sailed many months ago and early on in the pandemic, assertions were either based on personal wants or ignorance then and they are now.

Now you trying to tell me and I quote "do not ignore the fact that influenza is very capable of doing this as well" where in my post do you see me stating otherwise about Influenza?

I apologize. I replied to your quote but I was not directly saying that you mentioned influenza. I know that you didn't.

My post is directed to people in general who don't seem to recognize the fact that Influenza also causes similar problems and side effects yet so little is mentioned about it. It is largely shrugged off by the medical establishment as an unfortunate and rare side effect and there is little funding for research. It's frustrating.

There are just so many people in society (and on this board) who seem oblivious to this and act like it is only Covid-19 that can cause this. There is now huge funding for Covid research (which is good!) but it is frustrating that cardiomyopathy caused by Influenza and other viruses has largely been ignored until now. He was low down on the heart transplant list because his condition wasn't deemed serious enough.

But I digress, I was replying in general. I shouldn't have quoted you directly but when you mentioned heart inflammation, I saw it as an opportunity to bring up my personal experience. I will delete your quote from my post. Sorry.

 

[doggystyle99]

I apologize. I replied to your quote but I was not directly saying that you mentioned influenza. I know that you didn't.

My post is directed to people in general who don't seem to recognize the fact that Influenza also causes similar problems and side effects yet so little is mentioned about it. It is largely shrugged off by the medical establishment as an unfortunate and rare side effect and there is little funding for research. It's frustrating.

There are just so many people in society (and on this board) who seem oblivious to this and act like it is only Covid-19 that can cause this. There is now huge funding for Covid research (which is good!) but it is frustrating that myopathy caused by Influenza and other viruses has largely been ignored until now.

I was replying in general. I shouldn't have quoted you directly but when you mentioned heart inflammation, I saw it as an opportunity to bring up my personal experience. I will delete your quote from my post. Sorry.

Again COVID-19 is not Influenza and there are many differences that the "Stable Genius" crowd likes to ignore.
For example the large difference in the number of people who will have COVID-19 and when we are discussing 330K+ COVID cases in Canada with preventive measures in place (possibly 5 times higher) in the last 8 or so months and we are seeing a large % of those younger and healthy individuals with mild cases of COVID experiencing persistent inflammation of the heart, or 20% of them will have some sort of mental health issue, that is substantially a higher number than those of Influenza.

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/one-fifth-of-covid-19-patients-get-a-psychiatric-diagnosis-within-90-days-study-suggests.730297/

Also understanding at the current numbers of confirmed COVID cases the 20% figure ending up with mental health issues represents a larger number than the total number of Influenza cases we see in Canada yearly.
I am not going to go deeper about Influenza VS COVID-19 because the comparison is just a ridiculous one to make specially 11 months into the pandemic.

 

[MissCroft]

Again COVID-19 is not Influenza

I never said that Covid-19 is Influenza. Please don't put words in my mouth. Thanks.

 

[doggystyle99]

I never said that Covid-19 is Influenza. Please don't put words in my mouth. Thanks.

You just brought up Influenza out of the blue and started talking about the similarities while purposely ignoring discussing the great differences.
You really should stop bringing up the similarities to COVID-19 when talking about Influenza and vice versa as a comparison. At this point bringing up any similarities between the two is just a ridiculous thing to say specially since we are 11 months into the pandemic.

 

[MissCroft]

You just brought up Influenza out of the blue and started talking about the similarities while purposely ignoring discussing the great differences.
You really should stop bringing up the similarities to COVID-19 when talking about Influenza and vice versa as a comparison. At this point bringing up any similarities between the two is just a ridiculous thing to say specially since we are 11 months into the pandemic.

My point was not just about Influenza - it's about all of the viruses that cause Progressive Cardiomyopathy and the fact that it has been ignored, swept under the rug, shrugged off, gotten "Oh, well", "Too bad", and "That's life" from not only society but also from doctors. Very little funding for research while people were dying (some quite young including children although it's rare). Hopefully, now more research will be done. One possibly good thing that can come out of Covid to add to Lenny's list. And I don't mean that as an insult to Lenny. I realize that he has good intentions.

I fully realize and recognize that Covid-19 is not Influenza and I know that there are great differences. To be fair, I have never said that they were the same and never would. I guess I was just trying to bring attention to Cardiomyopathy and was happy that you brought it up (you mentioned persistent heart inflammation). I don't believe that I was arguing with you on any point. I think it's good that you brought up the topic as it brings attention to the condition. But it wasn't quite "out of the blue" because you brought up heart inflammation. I am guilty of veering off topic though.

For the most part, I agreed with your post but for some reason, you became hostile...?? I think you were assuming that I was trying to say something that I did not say. With all due respect, you do not know what I think or feel. I'm afraid of the virus too.

I wear a mask and get angry when I see people at the store with their masks pulled down. I'm the stickler at the store who tells everyone to follow the footprints! lol

 

[doggystyle99]

For the most part, I agreed with your post but for some reason, you became hostile...?? I think you were assuming that I was trying to say something that I did not say. With all due respect, you do not know what I think or feel. I'm afraid of the virus too.

Those facts are not lost on me at all. I just want to point out that Influenza can (and does) do that too. I know firsthand because I lost someone extremely close and dear to me years ago due to Cardiomyopathy initially caused by a bad bout of the flu. The flu led to heart inflammation (Myocarditis) and shortly after, he was diagnosed with Progressive Cardiomyopathy. The prognosis is not good - usually a 8-10 year survival rate. He managed to survive for a few years. He died in his thirties.

I learned that it was more common than people realize. An acquaintance of mine lost his wife a couple of years ago due to the same condition....Progressive Cardiomyopathy caused by a virus. She was in her early forties.

I am not lessening or doubting the fact that Covid-19 can also cause this terrible side effect (I know that it can - there's absolutely zero doubt in my mind), but please do not ignore the fact that Influenza is very capable of doing this as well.

I am not assuming anything you did try to talk about Influenza out of the blue and you did try to make it seem I said the exact opposite about Influenza and in my post I never mentioned Influenza to start with, now you are claiming I am being hostile for calling you out on it.
My post was not about Influenza, my post was specifically about COVID and the 20% of COVID survivors who will have mental health issues/depression directly from the physical inabilities they have to endure from the virus, and the many that will have very mild COVID cases that will have short term and more than likely very long term physical side effects becauase of it including inflammation of the heart muscle AKA inflammatory coridomyopathy.

At this point bringing up any similarities between the two is just a ridiculous thing to say specially since we are 11 months into the pandemic and quite frankly some have been doing this all along as a way to undermine the threat the virus represents, that's why early on you claimed you had a friend who passed away from heart issues and the hospital claimed it was from COVID but you still didn't believe them. That's why I had to tell you numerous times blood cloths are a common occurence in those with COVID-19.
It's all an attempt to coyly downplay the threat the virus represents.

 

[MissCroft]

that's why early on you claimed you had a friend who passed away from heart issues and the hospital claimed it was from COVID but you still didn't believe them. That's why I had to tell you numerous times blood cloths are a common occurence in those with COVID-19.

What the heck are you even talking about?!? My friend died 20 years ago!!! How could the hospital have claimed it was Covid?

I never said that a friend of mine died of Covid. You are making things up or confusing me with someone else. I did not have a friend who died of Covid and I never argued with any hospital about anything in my entire life!!

What blood clots? Who had blood clots? You've completely lost me. Please show me where I said what you are accusing me of saying.

My friend died of an arrhythmia/fibrillation in the year 2000. It was caused by Progressive Cardiomyopathy which he was diagnosed with in 1995. He was on the transplant list. His death had nothing to do with blood clots.

 

[MissCroft]

That's why I had to tell you numerous times blood cloths are a common occurence in those with COVID-19.

And when, pray tell, were these numerous times you speak of? I have never, EVER, had a conversation with you or anyone else on this board about blood clots nor have I ever posted anything about blood clots on this board. NEVER. Are you sure that you are not confusing me with someone else? Direct me to a specific post (with the date) or I deserve an apology.

 

[basketcase]

Yesterdays numbers are fraud
...

You and Rudy have a real problem understanding what fraud means. They accidentally included data for a few more hours and corrected it the next day with data that was for that many fewer hours.

 

[doggystyle99]

And when, pray tell, were these numerous times you speak of? I have never, EVER, had a conversation with you or anyone else on this board about blood clots nor have I ever posted anything about blood clots on this board. NEVER. Are you sure that you are not confusing me with someone else? Direct me to a specific post (with the date) or I deserve an apology.

I guess I did confuse you with someone else my apologies.

You just posted the about the same question and same subject in 4 different paragraphs and two different posts yet you claim I was being hostile towards your post. SMH

One thing is for sure ever since the pandemic started even with proven scientific data all you've been doing is trying to undermine the threat of the virus with false and irrational comparisons yet numerous times on different subjects you claiming you are not trying to undermine the effects of the virus but whatabout....
Although sometimes you are being more coy about it than other times.
It's just crazy to me that 11 months into a pandemic where with preventive measures in Canada we have seen 347,000+ confirmed cases and 11,000+ deaths, with data on the ongoing affects of the virus as well as what measures work and which don't, yet we still have people who make just irrational comparisons or bring up other points irrelevant to COVID-19.

I am not trying to lessen the seriousness of covid-19 and please no one think that, but I still wonder if the numbers are rising because more people are getting tested as opposed to a lot more people actually getting the virus compared to a month or two ago when hardly anyone was being tested.

They finally started posting the number of people tested, the positive tests, the negative tests, and the ones still pending. At least they are finally posting this information. I was hoping they would do so.

I did say that I don't know for sure. There are other countries that didn't completely go on full lockdown and they were okay. No one really knows.

I do feel that if stores like Wal-Mart, Lowe's (was in one yesterday and it was quite busy), Canadian Tire, etc. are open, then some bars and restaurants should be as well. Just try to seat people as far apart as possible.

And shops with street entrances are open. I've also noticed that a couple of places that offer takeout are starting to allow customers to sit for short periods.

I would feel safer going to a pub and being served a beer or a wine and maybe a sandwich then going to subway to get a sub but they've been open the entire time and are busy (with little possibility of social distancing). Seems a bit unequal at this point. But I'm rambling now! lol

Don't forget about SARS. It also didn't cause any of the devastation that was predicted. And it did something surprising thst the doctors, scientists, and researchers didn't expect. It suddenly just went away on its own. It essentially disappeared.

I'm not saying covid-19 will do that of course but I hope so. Regardless, I agree that it hasn't been the "doom and gloom" scenario that was predicted. I also think the lockdown may have been unnecessary. I don't know for sure. But it seems to now be going on longer than it should. I think that malls, bars, and restaurants should already be open by now. With limited access and distancing measures in place of course. They shouldn't open the food courts yet though.

I don't think the school year could have been salvaged anyway. You would have to keep kids in school for half of the summer and they are already well into summer vacation mode, lol. I was surprised to hear that ice cream trucks are allowed only as of yesterday. The truck's been going around my neighbourhood for at least a week. I can never find my money and run out the door fast enough! grrrr....

 

[MissCroft]

I guess I did confuse you. One thing is for sure ever since the pandemic started even with proven scientific data all you've been doing is trying to undermine the threat of the virus with false and irrational comparisons

I thank you for your apology and I apologize for calling you hostile.

To be fair, the quotes you posted of mine were from earlier in the pandemic (March, June, and June. respectively). The first post about testing was from March 25th! When testing first started. Nobody knew what the heck what was going on back then .I wrote that I was happy that they were making the test results public.

Also, I have changed my mind on some things since then.

It is not fair to say that 11 months in, I am still saying all of those things. I am not. It is not fair to take quotes of mine from back in the spring (March 25th, June 5th, and June 5th, respectively), and say that it is "11 months into a pandemic".

 

[doggystyle99]

I thank you for your apology and I apologize for calling you hostile.

To be fair, the quotes you posted of mine were from earlier in the pandemic (March, June, and June. respectively). The first post about testing was from March 25th! When testing first started. Nobody knew what the heck what was going on back then .I wrote that I was happy that they were making the test results public.

Also, I have changed my mind on some things since then.

It is not fair to say that 11 months in, I am still saying all of those things. I am not. It is not fair to take quotes of mine from back in the spring (March 25th, June 5th, and June 5th, respectively), and say that it is "11 months into a pandemic".

Actually a lot of people knew what the heck was going on back in March and back in June, it was just the same craziness people trying to undermine the threat the virus represents by making irrational comparisons and false statements opposing to the scientific data, and it's still the same today some people doing the same.
And your posts are the same today as they were before, you have multiple posts that go along the lines of
"I am not undermining the Coronavirus but what about _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ " and this thread is a perfect example this time it was about Influenza.

 

[Rako3]

All I worry about is exponential growth. It takes as much time to go from 100 to 200 cases as it does to go from 20,000 to 40,000 cases, or 200,000 to 400,000 cases.

The problem with any degree of success in keeping numbers down is that it makes it look like there was nothing to worry about. It's impossible to accurately say how many lives have been saved by our precautions, because we can't peek into the alternate universe to see how many dead people there are.

 

[lenny2]

"US sets record for Covid-19 hospitalizations amid fall surge

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/24/healt...day/index.html

 

[TeeJay]

"US sets record for Covid-19 hospitalizations amid fall surge

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/24/healt...day/index.html

Anyone wonder on bizarre case counts?

Eg WHY are the DAKOTAS the worst States (both in past 7 days & since crisis started)

COVID Data Tracker

CDC’s home for COVID-19 data. Visualizations, graphs, and data in one easy-to-use website.

covid.cdc.gov

 

[Rako3]

Anyone wonder on bizarre case counts?

Eg WHY are the DAKOTAS the worst States (both in past 7 days & since crisis started)

COVID Data Tracker

CDC’s home for COVID-19 data. Visualizations, graphs, and data in one easy-to-use website.

covid.cdc.gov

Dakotas have been treating the virus like a hoax. South Dakota hosted that big biker rally with 500,000 unmasked bikers. No surprise that what they sowed they're getting back in spades.