On the topic of Shark Fin Soup again... these images might change your attitude =o
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a) Maybe, but that's a valid POV just like any other. Plus they have some facts to prove it.a) These studies are garbage.
b) shark-fin soup only needs to be regulated to preserve the shark population at a sustainable level. Discarding the rest of the animal is moot. Other sea creatures make quick work of the remainder.
c) for all those cruelty fools, get some education, go see your cows, chickens and pigs being slaughtered and quit being so ignorant of what goes on under your very nose - from pink slime to e.coli to Listeria.
b) Regulated in what way? It should be banned altogether in order to eliminate demand - most species that get caught are endangered. Discarding the rest of the animal while still alive is just plain wrong. Besides, it is illegal to land fins without bodies in most jurisdictions; it's just very poorly enforced.
c) Is that really relevant? The fact that it's not "under your very nose" does not make shark finning any less cruel.
The issue is not primarily about cruelty. Catching sharks at the current pace is completely unsustainable practice. They just cannot reproduce fast enough in order to keep up.This. And their living conditions till they are slaughtered is no walking in the park either.
Really if you are angry about shark fins but you eat meat that isnt free range you should really just STFU.
Never had shark fin soup, never intend to. Just isn't my thing. (But I certainly did enjoy my steak/ lobster dinner last night!)
The thing of it is basic economics. Supply and demand. For some reason unbeknownst to me, shark fin soup became some sort of a status thing... and everyone wants to be viewed as successful.
The thing of it is basic economics. Supply and demand. For some reason unbeknownst to me, shark fin soup became some sort of a status thing... and everyone wants to be viewed as successful.
If some popular doctor came out and said that shark steak is good for the body and promoted it, we still have a problem with sharks being on the brink of extinction. Imagine 1.3 billion people wanting shark steak for dinner along with shark fin soup?If they killed then to use them for more than just fin soup, sure. Shark meat is not my favorite meal, but I wouldn't turn it down. They are worth more alive than dead in most cases as them have an immune system that we have only begun to understand. They don't get sick at the same rate than other living species do; as a matter of fact very rarely.
Is this before or after they suffocate. The sharks are dropped back in the water still alive. As for proper treatment of our livestock fair enough, but we don't hang them by the neck and let them choke to death, an electric shock or bolt gun to the head is the usual, and we aren't decimating the population of cows, pigs, or chickens. We have to start somewhere. Perhaps you should try a water boarding vacation and let us know what it's like to drown.a) These studies are garbage.
b) shark-fin soup only needs to be regulated to preserve the shark population at a sustainable level. Discarding the rest of the animal is moot. Other sea creatures make quick work of the remainder.
c) for all those cruelty fools, get some education, go see your cows, chickens and pigs being slaughtered and quit being so ignorant of what goes on under your very nose - from pink slime to e.coli to Listeria.
Since shark is a pinnacle predator, that unlikely to happen. They are basically a collection depot for most of the toxins common in the marine environment. They will eat almost anything. When it does, get back to us and we'll answer your question.If some popular doctor came out and said that shark steak is good for the body and promoted it, we still have a problem with sharks being on the brink of extinction. Imagine 1.3 billion people wanting shark steak for dinner along with shark fin soup?
How do you suggest they kill the cattle and pigs for market?Do you need a bolt gun to the head or an electric shock vacation?
I'm all for sustainable sharkfin soup if people want to eat it. For me it tastes like variation of chicken broth, really quite a waste of time, but thats not my culture so eat what you will.
You are suggesting its cruel to take the fin and let the shark die, maybe it is, but so is debeaking chickens and kicking them left and right. You know very well that bolt guns for cows fail often and animal welfare is pretty lax.
I said there were farming practices that were wrong, debeaking being one of many, but it falls short of dropping a living creature overboard to drown.
At this time, sustainable harvesting of shark is improbable, but one can hope. Right now they are harvest them for their fins, not right in any light. You want to harvest them whole and then offer up the soup, fair ball. They don't 'let the shark die'. They throw them overboard alive, because the whole fish, quit useable, will take up valuable space where they can store the more lucrative fins. It's unconscionable greed, nothing else.
As for proper treatment of our livestock fair enough,
this is manitoba
and every ounce of every pig will be utilized in some way or another... and this in no way possible threatens the pig species into extinction...
this is manitoba
No part of the shark will be wasted. The sea will do a good job of making sure of that.and every ounce of every pig will be utilized in some way or another... and this in no way possible threatens the pig species into extinction...
The extinction concern is legitimate. You would be ok with serving only the fins of non endangered sharks?
ok, i see you point, the ocean will recycle it... i still have a big issue with how the sharks are dispatched though...No part of the shark will be wasted. The sea will do a good job of making sure of that.
The extinction concern is legitimate. You would be ok with serving only the fins of non endangered sharks?
and yes, if sharks were harvested for this purpose, or we knew for a fact they were bountiful (like east-coast lobster), then i would be fine with that...
a) These studies are garbage.
b) shark-fin soup only needs to be regulated to preserve the shark population at a sustainable level. Discarding the rest of the animal is moot. Other sea creatures make quick work of the remainder.
c) for all those cruelty fools, get some education, go see your cows, chickens and pigs being slaughtered and quit being so ignorant of what goes on under your very nose - from pink slime to e.coli to Listeria.
a. and you have sources of reports saying otherwise?
b. regulated? wake up! human greed, poachers and threat of creature extinctions everyday.
c. we're talking about wild speicies that has a impact on the ecosystem of the environment and NOT domesticated animals raised for food.
Lets look at the fact of Shark fins and shark products from the Government of Canada information.
Surpirsed and very surprised: Canada exports more shark products than it imports.
http://www.farga.ca/files/reference/powerpoint2011.pdf
Please also pay attention to its comment on health concern: IT IS SAFE.
Endangered? not really. JUst 4 out of 460 species are endangered.
Shark fins only? Because the rest of the fish are worthless? NO. The fins produce only 5 % of commercial value and the rest of the body produces 95%!!!!!!!!!
(BTW ALL THOSE COMPLAINTS FROM THE ANIMAL-LOVERS ARE HURTING THE CANADIAN EXPORTS AND THE BOTTOMLINE OF OUR VERY OWN CANADIAN SHARK FISHERMEN.)
The top importing country for the Canadian shark products is not HONG KONG (or the so-called Chinese nation which is known as CHINA), or Korea (Dog-lover, lol) or Japan (Sushi, eh?) .Its our motherland and the highly civilized and educated Anglo-Sexon UNITED KINGDOM!!!!!!!!
Surpirsed and very surprised: Canada exports more shark products than it imports.
http://www.farga.ca/files/reference/powerpoint2011.pdf
Please also pay attention to its comment on health concern: IT IS SAFE.
Endangered? not really. JUst 4 out of 460 species are endangered.
Shark fins only? Because the rest of the fish are worthless? NO. The fins produce only 5 % of commercial value and the rest of the body produces 95%!!!!!!!!!
(BTW ALL THOSE COMPLAINTS FROM THE ANIMAL-LOVERS ARE HURTING THE CANADIAN EXPORTS AND THE BOTTOMLINE OF OUR VERY OWN CANADIAN SHARK FISHERMEN.)
The top importing country for the Canadian shark products is not HONG KONG (or the so-called Chinese nation which is known as CHINA), or Korea (Dog-lover, lol) or Japan (Sushi, eh?) .Its our motherland and the highly civilized and educated Anglo-Sexon UNITED KINGDOM!!!!!!!!
How did you figure it's the Government of Canada information? FARGA has nothing to do with the Government - http://www.farga.ca/about.html. Looks a bit biased to me.Lets look at the fact of Shark fins and shark products from the Government of Canada information.
Surpirsed and very surprised: Canada exports more shark products than it imports.
http://www.farga.ca/files/reference/powerpoint2011.pdf
Please also pay attention to its comment on health concern: IT IS SAFE.
Endangered? not really. JUst 4 out of 460 species are endangered.
Shark fins only? Because the rest of the fish are worthless? NO. The fins produce only 5 % of commercial value and the rest of the body produces 95%!!!!!!!!!
(BTW ALL THOSE COMPLAINTS FROM THE ANIMAL-LOVERS ARE HURTING THE CANADIAN EXPORTS AND THE BOTTOMLINE OF OUR VERY OWN CANADIAN SHARK FISHERMEN.)
The top importing country for the Canadian shark products is not HONG KONG (or the so-called Chinese nation which is known as CHINA), or Korea (Dog-lover, lol) or Japan (Sushi, eh?) .Its our motherland and the highly civilized and educated Anglo-Sexon UNITED KINGDOM!!!!!!!!
How did you figure it's the Government of Canada information? FARGA has nothing to do with the Government - http://www.farga.ca/about.html. Looks a bit biased to me.
Want to go ahead and double check with all the Federal government people?
http://www.farga.ca/files/reference/powerpoint2011.pdf
Have you checked the facts yourself already? FARGA seems to exist for the sole purpose of fighting the shark fin soup ban.Want to go ahead and double check with all the Federal government people?
http://www.farga.ca/files/reference/powerpoint2011.pdf
Here's some alternative piece of info - http://worldwildlife.org/species/shark - from an organization that exists since 1961.
Yes I have. I never write anything without checking. Not that you will believe anyway.Have you checked the facts yourself already? FARGA seems to exist for the sole purpose of fighting the shark fin soup ban.
Here's some alternative piece of info - http://worldwildlife.org/species/shark - from an organization that exists since 1961.
What do see worldwildlife? You buy everything ( make that anything) they say?
The Government of Canada not good enough? The Ministry of Fisheries and Ocean not good enough? The Prime Minister Office not good enough?
Want to try the United Nations people?
The IUCN list of threatened species contains 257 species of sharks - http://www.iucnredlist.org.Want to go ahead and double check with all the Federal government people?
http://www.farga.ca/files/reference/powerpoint2011.pdf
Please provide links to all the sources you have used to verify the information accuracy.Yes I have. I never write anything without checking. Not that you will believe anyway.
What do see worldwildlife? You buy everything ( make that anything) they say?
The Government of Canada not good enough? The Ministry of Fisheries and Ocean not good enough? The Prime Minister Office not good enough?
Want to try the United Nations people?
