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On getting Ripped off!!!!

Yes, there should be trust in this business between all involved. However if an sp has recently been ripped off she should not be blamed if her confidence level in men has been destroyed temporarily and she does happen to count the money in front of the gentleman. This way she also will not be suspect if the envelope is a tad off of taking a 20 or so and stashing it.

After all I beleive that men do know they pay for the session even when they hand the envelope or cash to the lady up front anyhow so it is obvious it is not a normal date to begin with when they do pay upfront.

If it is counted or not it will soon be forgotten about regardless once the games begin or you sit and have a conversation or a drink prior to the games beginning. The money can quickly be counted and set aside in her safe place when she excuses herself then and all can be forgotten in the same manner.

I know a lot of men do not like it that way but I do believe that if most do not count it is becoming obvious to ones that do cheat the sp's and makes them more aware that it is easy to do this.

If he is a well known poster or a man you have seen before then fine take the monies even after the session is over, but if there is suspicion about what could happen then count. I believe that an sp really should deal with new men or men you do not know well differently. Yes, we all have been ripped off a few times and it happens to us all both the men and the women.

The problem is that it is the ones that would not cheat or would not check situations out and continue on prior to checking out situations that get ripped off.
 
I'm afraid I'm about to take a lot of flack, buttttt...

I always try my best not to accept payment before a session. I believe in a true GFE: if the gentleman leaves the donation somewhere for me before we begin I will not count it. I want to be in the mood as much as I want the client to feel good, and counting money and dealing with business isn't what puts me there. I have actually had a client leave without paying, only to rush back after - I can't help it, I just forget!

Ideally payment would be dropped discretely at the beginning or end of the session and we'd never have to discuss it, I find it extremely uncomfortable being asked to confirm our rates at the end of a good time.

I'd rather run a slight risk of being scammed a little than provide a service that is less than par. That's what would happen if I counted upfront, no dispect to the ladies that can separate the two.

So far I haven't had an issue, everyone has been extremely polite... I'd like to think that even though I've posted this all the gentlemanly behaviour will continue (well, please not TOO gentlemanly;) )

Flame away,
Becky
xoxo





PS. All this having been said, I did see someone almost 2 weeks ago who paid for an hour and got only 45 because we were interrupted by an agency call. It isn't our policy to call in the middle - our agents weren't aware you wanted to stay for an hour, and acted accordingly. If you can PM me the subject you teach as well as the school it'd be a huge weight off my chest to settle accordingly. If you don't want to give away your TERB handle emailing toronto141-1@hotmail.com is an anonymous way to get ahold of me. I didn't realize our error until it was too late because ...I didn't verify the donation until you left.
 
What if you open the envelope and find that there is $100 more than the donation? Like maybe he took out extra money at the ATM but forgot to separate it out and mistakenly put all in your donation envelope.

Would you think it's a tip and not say anything(Because yes we men are made of money);) ?

Would you 'considerately' think it was a mistake by the gentleman and bring it to his attention to confirm if indeed if it's a tip for service not yet rendered? or whether it was indeed a genuine mistake on his part and not be pissed off/attitudinal because he took back the whole extra amount which wasn't supposed to be for you?

Who knows maybe you might get back some of the extra in the form of a tip after the service is provided for honesty and for great service.

Does your saying anything depend on how much extra it is?

Anyways it's always low class when a guy rips off a girl or a girl rips off a guy in the business but I guess it's a live and learn situation and just a matter of taking some of the great advice given by members so far.

I believe that what goes around comes around.
 
spraggamuffin said:
What if you open the envelope and find that there is $100 more than the donation? Like maybe he took out extra money at the ATM but forgot to separate it out and mistakenly put all in your donation envelope.

Would you think it's a tip and not say anything(Because yes we men are made of money) ?

Would you 'considerately' think it was a mistake by the gentleman and bring it to his attention to confirm if indeed if it's a tip for service not yet rendered? or whether it was indeed a genuine mistake on his part and not be pissed off/attitudinal because he took back the whole extra amount which wasn't supposed to be for you?

Who knows maybe you might get back some of the extra in the form of a tip after the service is provided for honesty and for great service.

Does your saying anything depend on how much extra it is?
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if a guy gives me more than my rate i always tell him he gave me too much, I'm sure a few here will back me up. i even had some guys look at me like i was nuts. most will say your worth it some of them i get to take the extra back with some convincing, i don't require a tip, in my mind that is what the extra large double double is. if i do get extra it is a nice ego boost and we all know how big my ego is lol;)
 
byerent said:
Ariel is as smart as she is sexy...

Here is what I do, and I am sure many guys out there are the same. I go to the ATM take out the cash and count it and put it in the envelope. I then put the envelope in my pocket and head to the location. About halfway there I get paranoid and I take the envelope out and count the money again and return it to my pocket. When I reach the location, before I go in, I count the money a third time. I am now 100% sure I have, for arguments sake, $260 in the envelope as I have counted it no less than three times...
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Ha...i agree on both of your points above.

I'm paranoid about making a stupid counting mistake and embarrassing myself and end up counting at least 2-3 times before going.
 
I for one do not understand the hangup people have around money. Why bother putting the money in an envelope? Leaving it on a counter? Are you ashamed or something?

I hand over the cash as loose bills. I usually count it in advnace to save time and awkwardness, but I just hand it over the way I would hand over money in a store or anywhere else. Sometimes I forget to count it out in advance, in which case I count it out in front of the SP and hand it to her. I expect the SP to count it too. It doesn't offend or embarass me when she does.

I doubt very much that the SP has any qualms about the cash aspect of the transaction, given that's what she does all day long every day.

It doesn't kill the mood or ruin the fantas or anything like that. I think it makes the whole thing more honest and more down to earth, if anything. Dealing with it openly and directly shows that everyone is comfortable. Hiding something and being awkward about it kills the mood.
 
Sadly, not so....

fuji said:
...............I doubt very much that the SP has any qualms about the cash aspect of the transaction, given that's what she does all day long every day..........
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Among other things that bemuse and sometimes sadden me, even the most experienced, ballsy great gals do NOT like this detail and can be very finiky about it.
 
When I go to Wonderland, paying for a ride ticket doesn't wreck the experience.

Money doesn't ruin the fantasy for me, I also don't believe the women pretend to see me as a fantasy date.

I want the woman to count, get her concerns out of the way and we can get the games started.
 
fuji said:
Why bother putting the money in an envelope? Leaving it on a counter? Are you ashamed or something?
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I'm with you on this one. Especially in this case where the guy rips her off too. Real class.
 
I'm with fuji on this one ...

Never had a problem but I agree with counting it in front of me. No misunderstandings, no hijinks, everybody's happy and on with the show! :D
 
Hi,

Obviously I am truly out of the loop.

Putting money in an envelope will not stop prosecution but will guarantee a rip off. IMHO pay at the beginning of the session.

If I was a girl I would say "stick your envelope", "Money Is What I Want". Hey, I guess "Times They Are A' Changin'!"

My worthless advice: give her the money, every penny, and then forget about it. Have fun. I guess I would call it "Pay before you pump"

But what do I know.

EU :)
 
Is he a known client, or an anonymous "john"?

If its the later, nothing you really can do at this point.... chalk it up to a learning experience. You've learned this is a business.... Let me put it this way..... I have to buy my milk before I can drink it. So it's not rude to collect and count up front. Explaining to a client that although you trust him, shit has happened before.... most of us would understand.

However if you do know him..... and can confront him.... I would. But, I'm not a nice guy so....

Cheers!
 
Ariel Sanchez said:
Ya these situations totally suck. Not much you can do after the fact but maybe just coach your friend on a couple points. The way i do it is either wait for him to shower to count the money or if he says he's already showered then you excuse yourself and go to the bathroom yourself and count it. I know the guys here think it'd be okay to count the money infront of your client and it sounds okay in words but when you're actually in the situation you just feel weird to count it infront of him. It kind of kills the fantasy before it even begins, if you know what i mean. I think a sealed envelope should be a dead give away though. It should always be unsealed. Always, always, always count the money beforehand. One way or another.
Tell her not to worry, it happens to all of us at least once.

Good luck, and yes, if you have any contact info, please share :-)

xoxoArielxoxo
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Here's what I do.... I leave the money on the dresser in a "fan". Each fan has 5 twenties. So, $200 would be 2 fans of $100 each. Makes it easy to see and count without even having to mention it or touch it..... I ususally put a pack of gum or breathmints on it as a paper weight and either of us can use them if needed.

Cheers!
 
Thanx for all the feedback...

I am glad that I posted this as it has brought up some interesting perspectives.

She wrote him back at the email that he had booked the appointment through and firmly but professionally asked that he explain himself.

He responded with a slew of profanity, insults and rudeness. Going forward I am sure that she will count everytime. Before beginning;)

FYI: He is a Terb member. He says that she won't be able to figure out who she is so she can't do anything to him.

Karma is a bitch buddy, you will get yours!
 
Give his name to the mods.
They might not do anything because it can be denied, but it's good to have him on a list.

Send his identity or handle to a Undesirable Client List as well, also any ladies here that ask for more info.

I hope the experience doesn't harden you too much, he's an exception not the rule as you already know.
 
Oh I know...

I told her the same. For those of you who meet Lorlyn you would agree that she is 100% positive and upbeat. It would take more then some jerk to dampen her spirits:D
 
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