On getting Ripped off!!!!

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AliseAmery

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So as most of you know my friend is in town working (loralyn).

This morning she saw a guy who left her a envelope with less then half of the actual rate.

What would you do?
It was clearly not a mistake. He stayed for over an hour. Knew the rate before hand because I myself confirmed it with him. Presented her with a sealed envelope at the start of the appointment. She wanted to avoid being rude so she did not count upfront.

He never left the room for more than a minute. Then rushed out at the end of the session.

This hasn't happened to me before so I don't know what to tell her. What do you think???
 
That's why it's best to count the money upfront. I can guarantee you that no one should be or will be offended if the money is counted beforehand, as long as it's done with discretion and tact.
 
There was a guy a couple of years ago who did exactly that to a number of high end ladies. He would leave a bill on top and on the bottom in the envelope and cut up newspapers in between.

About all you can do is circulate his decription and other info among the ladies.

Next time don't be shy about counting the money.

He is a low-life so you should not hesitate to spread the word.

If you have a phone no., don't hesitate to call him but don't threaten him.

Keep us posted.
 
I would rather the money be counted so both parties can get down to business and not dwell on what might be wrong.
 
Not really sure what else can be done other than what's been mentioned already. Not sure what your policy is regarding when to leave the donation, but, maybe it's a matter of making sure the client is aware the it is to be placed out at the beginning of the time. Then when he goes to have his shower, she can deal with it when he's not there.

If there's any discrepency, then it can be dealt with before anything else happens. If not, then when he's out of the shower, the rest of the date can continue without any "business" feel to it.
 
hmm... it might have been a little different if she worked here on a regular basis. In that case I would have said if he contacts her again then don't let him book and tell him why.

Does he have a handle here on terb? I am not suggesting outting him, rather PMing his handle to other ladies so they know not to do business with him.

Contacting him through email or phone might not really be worth your while as you can't really do anything now.

I have been ripped off before. I have also been put in situations where I had to give money back so I could leave (because safety always comes first). I have also been ripped off by guys not leaving the correct amount in the envelope and/or people being rude about the money issue. I know what it feels like. I am probably not the person you want to be talking to about this because i left the business feeling cheated by many people. On my last day of SPing, driving across QEW to get home I felt so terrible and knew then that it was my time to leave. I had a confirmed appointment that day in NF, but only to find out he cancelled at the very last minute (with no phone call) just a text msg to my phone. I felt like bawling my eyes out! Anyhow I am not meaning to say that your friend should quit, just saying that I am probably not the best lady to talk to because I know too well how it feels to be put in such a position. And no, guys, I am not classifying a last minute cancel as a "rip off" just stating that it was the last straw for me and my breaking point for quitting.
 
I would say it's always best to count and in front of the client. That way you won't be accused of ripping him off. This is a cash business and it should always be double checked to avoid these types of situations.

She could call him and tell him that he only left half of the money and if he honestly made a mistake she'll hear from him, otherwise it's a write off
 
Ya these situations totally suck. Not much you can do after the fact but maybe just coach your friend on a couple points. The way i do it is either wait for him to shower to count the money or if he says he's already showered then you excuse yourself and go to the bathroom yourself and count it. I know the guys here think it'd be okay to count the money infront of your client and it sounds okay in words but when you're actually in the situation you just feel weird to count it infront of him. It kind of kills the fantasy before it even begins, if you know what i mean. I think a sealed envelope should be a dead give away though. It should always be unsealed. Always, always, always count the money beforehand. One way or another.
Tell her not to worry, it happens to all of us at least once.

Good luck, and yes, if you have any contact info, please share :-)

xoxoArielxoxo
 
I think politely leaving the room for a moment is the way to go and then count/put the money somewhere safe.
 
No questions that there are idiots everywhere.

I am not embarrassed to have the lady confirm the envelope before we start. I have unintentionally counted wrong myself, both ways,over and under. (I can hear the snickering now, yes, no blood left in the main brain). Rule Number One- its your business. Manage it like that.
 
if donation is given in sealed envelope, is more suspiscious as he must be hiding something! better count in front of him, if you count somewhere else without his presence he might still say he give the right amount. e-mail his tel. # to all SP to warn them about this scammer.
 
Lesson # 1: take the envelope, put it in your purse, then tell client you have to use the little girl's room. Then count the $$$ there.

Sheesh, do I have to teach you women everything??!!!! :rolleyes:
 
As a client I want the lady to count the money before we start. I do make mistakes and I really don't want to stiff her (at least financially.)
If you buy something in a store do you expect the cashier to just take the money you hand her and put it in the cash register without counting it first?
 
I don't like this whole envelope bit anyway. If the SP goes into another room or counts it while you are in the shower she can slip a bill out and claim you are short (moneywise). Or as happened the guy can put any amount in the envelope. Better to hand the cash to the SP either before or after the session and have her count it.
 
dickydoem said:
I don't like this whole envelope bit anyway. If the SP goes into another room or counts it while you are in the shower she can slip a bill out and claim you are short (moneywise). Or as happened the guy can put any amount in the envelope. Better to hand the cash to the SP either before or after the session and have her count it.
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Yeah, why try to pretend. Give the money in cash. No SP I have seen has ever been offended by that (or they have been polite enough not to show it).
 
I always leave the donation in an unsealed envelope and am always surprised how often the lady will not count it (well over 50% of the time). The best method is for the lady to excuse herself and take the envelope into the bathroom to count it. It does feel weird when she counts it in front of me.

Another valid reason to count the contents of the envelope is that clients sometimes do make honest mistakes. I once booked an SP (whom I'd seen about six times before) for two hours and then while she was there extended it to three. Just before she left, she picked up the envelope and said "You're sure this is six hundred?", which suprised me because she'd never asked anything like that before. When I answered it was six hundred, she asked "You're really sure?" I then realized that after I'd extended the appointment I had only placed five additional twenties in the envelope instead of ten (she had made my brain go numb). She must have secretly counted it when I was in the bathroom.
 
byerent said:
Ariel is as smart as she is sexy.

If I were to come out of the shower and she said "sorry, but there is only $200 in the envelope, it's $260 for the hour" right away I know the type of person I am dealing with. I would ask to recount it myself and when she hands the money over and $60 missing I would consider that a cancellation fee, dress and excuse myself from the premises.
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Nice move!
 
For myself, I do not appreciate the money upfront for it detracts from what I'm doing in regards to a real girlfriend experience.
I don't like the situation to appear business like.
However, I am fully aware that I am setting myself up for possibly being ripped off but it hasn't happened.
*knocks on wood*
Then again, I'm not dealing with hundreds of dollars either.
 
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