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There's already a paved parking lot. Ministry laws require a specific number of parking spots for a venue. Putting most of it underground is logical.
What exactly are you afraid of here that is causing you to have convulsions over parking?
Name calling again?
I have been discussing this and providing info.
All you have been doing is asking one-liner questions and then pivoting to other questions when you don't like the answers.
Who's the troll here?
Auditor General....Legislative Assembly. Not really a ministry for municipal laws but oversight of the provincial contractual obligations. Toronto zoning laws would outline the requirements for parking in commercial areas.
here's a good description...
Parking
- The zoning bylaw states minimum parking requirements for both vehicles and bicycles. Parking is based on factors like building use, size, and density. For example, multi-unit residential uses generally require 1 parking space per unit.
So? There's already a paved parking lot. What's your concern?
See, the above is another example of how you always fall flat on your face when you are asked to account for your wholly make-believe claims.
1) NO fucking MINISTRY nor fucking LAWS emanating from said make-believe ministry to ground your claims at all.
2) The Ontario Place property and lands are, but for a sliver of lake water owned by the City of Toronto, wholly owned by the province of Ontario. Thus, City of Toronto bylaws regarding minimum parking requirements are not in force.
2a) And if you actually believe that City of Toronto minimum parking requirements mandate more than 2600 parking spaces within 650 meters of provincially owned property, then you need to see a psychiatrist quick.
3) This 2000 underground spaces in the fish tank parking garage with an additional paved surface parking lot accommodating an additional 600 plus parking spaces is a wholly Ford driven, contractual giveaway of public property to private interests and for what?
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Ah the usual don't answer my questions but only offer criticism of my answers of which I clarified before you went on your attack.
Is that because you really have no clue and just want to complain?
No?
Then prove me wrong.
Tell us then where you think people visiting OP should park and how many parking spaces there should be?
Up to 20,000 people per concert.
Millions of visitors per year.
I'll wait.
A 99-year fucking lease of public land/property with all the lease-deets kept secret is evidence enough:
1) "To go park in the fuckin lake."
2) That the lease is such an abject embarrassment and sell out of public interest and a total capitulation to private interests.
1) "To go park in the fuckin lake."
2) That the lease is such an abject embarrassment and sell out of public interest and a total capitulation to private interests.
Where do you want people to park? (you keep dancing around that question so I know you don't have an answer but I will keep asking anyway).
Plans are not finalized so I would be curious to know what you would do?
Me? I would use Exhibition place as the overflow but underground would make sense too since this is a year-round park and it wouldn't consume more land. Or maybe even an above-ground, multi-level structure.
Then don't sign a lease with a foreign country that requires you to pay half a billion to build parking under the water table.
Parking is required regardless who the investor is.
You mean every building south of Front St should be torn down because their underground parking is below the water table?
Oh I dunno...maybe because increasing the concert venue capacity and making it a year-round venue would attract more people?
Oh I dunno...maybe because if you relocate the Science Centre there you will need more parking?
Oh I dunno, maybe because if you are revitalizing that property the existing lot will need to be moved or modified to work with everything else?
Building underground parking takes up less surface space but it's more expensive. Some estimates I've seen are $100k-$120k per parking spot when building underground depending on complexity, etc.
Or maybe you're a partisan troll who will back every single stupid idea by the most corrupt premiere in Ontario's history.
You asked questions, I provided answers.
You have provided nothing other than desperate name calling.
Naming calling is the death knell of losing an argument.
Sound about right?
You keep giving your opinion that everything DoFo do is magic while I keep posting the news and reports on the corruption, fraud and incompetency.
That sounds right.
We're discussing Ontario Place. You're asking questions. I'm providing answers. It's not difficult.
You just re-post biased X posts when you're cornered and start name calling when you don't like someone else opinion or when faced with factual info.
Very cowardly. But I welcome the entertainment value as usual.
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