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danmand said:
Please stay on topic.

It is criminal to burn off that amount of Vinyl Chloride in open air..

Google Phosgene.
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What would you have preferred they had done?

(Sorry, didn't answer the Phosgene part - open air burning isn't going to produce a lot of phosgene due to the water produced, but it is very toxic for the short time it will be around, which is why evacuating people is important.)
 
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Valcazar said:
What would you have preferred they had done?

(Sorry, didn't answer the Phosgene part - open air burning isn't going to produce a lot of phosgene due to the water produced, but it is very toxic for the short time it will be around, which is why evacuating people is important.)
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There are all kinds of noxious compounds being created when burning vinyl chloride, not just Phosgene. None of us know how much Phosgene was produced, the huge black plume shows that the combustion was far from ideal, so I do not think you have any proof that little Phosgene was produced.

I was not there, but I have read that part of the justification for burning the vinyl chloride was that the temperature in the rail cars was rising, which could possibly lead to an explosion. One obvious other remedy would be to douse the rail cars with water.

Burning was easier and faster, but created a huge environmental catastrophy.
 
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danmand said:
There are all kinds of noxious compounds being created when burning vinyl chloride, not just Phosgene.
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I don't deny that, but you specifically asked about Phosgene.

Also, don't confuse vinyl chloride with PVC, which you originally mentioned.

None of us know how much Phosgene was produced, the huge black plume shows that the combustion was far from ideal, so I do not think you have any proof that little Phosgene was produced.
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Little phosgene is normally produced by an open-air burn because Phosgene breaks down very quickly in water.
That's just a science fact. Could there be other factors involved here?
Of course.

I was not there, but I have read that part of the justification for burning the vinyl chloride was that the temperature in the rail cars was rising, which could possibly lead to an explosion. One obvious other remedy would be to douse the rail cars with water.

Burning was easier and faster, but created a huge environmental catastrophy.
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Since they were already fighting the fire, I don't think they could cool down the cars enough to prevent a BLEVE. (At least that was the reasoning.)

I'm also not sure if there wasn't already a spill, which means spreading the vinyl chloride around with water could be a problem.

I think they were caught with shitty choices once the train derailed.
 
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Jubee said:
Hmm..
www.foxnews.com

Biden admin turns down Ohio's request for disaster assistance after toxic derailment

The Biden administration told Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine that his state isn't eligible to receive federal disaster assistance for the toxic train spill that displaced local residents.
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www.marketwatch.com

Ohio’s DeWine says he has not taken up Biden on offer of ‘anything you need’ in wake of train derailment disaster

Notfolk Southern CEO says railroad operator ‘will be judged by our actions.’
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DeWine, a second-term Republican, said he had been contacted after the disaster by President Joe Biden, who, he said, offered any necessary federal assistance. Said DeWine at the Tuesday news briefing: “Look, the president called me and said, ‘Anything you need.’ I have not called him back after that conversation. We will not hesitate to do that if we’re seeing a problem or anything, but I’m not seeing it.”
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I am not interested in arguing with you, but I have to address a couple of mistakes in your post:

Valcazar said:
Also, don't confuse vinyl chloride with PVC, which you originally mentioned.
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Burning vinyl chloride is very similar to burning poly vinyl chloride.

Valcazar said:
Little phosgene is normally produced by an open-air burn because Phosgene breaks down very quickly in water.
That's just a science fact. Could there be other factors involved here?
Of course
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Phosgene reacts slowly with water.
 
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Biden is another war president. Can't get enough of starting them and participating in them, and putting war before his own citizens. The only president that wasn't a war hawk in the past 40 years was Trump.

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dirtyharry555 said:
Biden is another war president. Can't get enough of starting them and participating in them, and putting war before his own citizens. The only president that wasn't a war hawk in the past 40 years was Trump.

Biden is giving money to Ukraine's finest:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1627416605754892288
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Kennedy, Nixon, Carter and Reagan were anti war in the sense that they worked for peaceful co-existence.
 
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www.tandfonline.com

Combustion Products from Vinyl Chloride Monomer

By means of a variety of analytical techniques, the combustion profile of vinyl chloride monomer (VCM) has been determined. This profile includes flame temperatures, soot content, and a combustion ...
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Combustion Products from Vinyl Chloride Monomer
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By means of a variety of analytical techniques, the combustion profile of vinyl chloride monomer (VCM) has been determined. This profile includes flame temperatures, soot content, and a combustion gas analysis. Depending on the amount of VCM-air premixing prior to combustion, the temperature of a VCM flame ranges from 950° to 1466°C. Similarly, the soot or unburned carbon content of a VCM flame varies from 3 to 6 weight percent. An analysis of the combustion gases from VCM reveal the following composition: HC1 27,000 ppm; CO2 58,100 ppm; CO 9500 ppm; phosgene 40 ppm; and VCM trace. From a hazard standpoint, the gross quantity of hydrogen chloride is the main source of danger in a VCM fire.
 
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danmand said:
Kennedy, Nixon, Carter and Reagan were anti war in the sense that they worked for peaceful co-existence.
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Obama - over 25,000 bombs were dropped when he was President and he "won" the Nobel Peace Prize 😂😂
People really buy into this shit that one side is more peaceful than the other, they're all run by the Military Industrial Complex.
 
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Jubee said:
"The Biden administration turned down a request for federal disaster assistance from Ohio." So will Biden tell his administration (FEMA in this case), "hey, I'm the President, these guys needs help, let's get it done" or na?
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Can he? I don't think he can over ride charters like that. The Republicans control the house. They can put forward legislation
 
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6ix said:
Can he? I don't think he can over ride charters like that. The Republicans control the house. They can put forward legislation
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I thought that the buck stops with every President, I guess not. I don't know myself. lol

And besides, it still goes to my point, the Governor of Ohio didn't acknowledge any of this stuff until 10 days after and he's a Republican.
They're all pieces of shit, both sides, democrat and republican, fuck them both.
 
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