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Now official: Asians have the highest income, are the best-educated

frankcastle

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Without a proper downtown core you have no city. There are lots of nice suburban sprawls in Detroit but only the brave or naive venture into its decaying urban cesspool.
The downtown core was quite nice at one point even featuring a cool fountain on the main strip with a mall plus copps colleseum plus a huge library etc etc problem was that the box stores drew people into the burbs.

To compare detroit where devils night is a firefighters busiest night to hamilton is hyperbole.
 

basketcase

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Couple eh? I bet they live in a very nice house and do this as a hobby, taking from those who really need it. That's why GTA food banks are always empty, certain groups that are far from starving go there to save money.
Yes, there is no such thing as poor elderly asians. You really are out of your depth.


p.s. the point was originally something about work ethic. A bunch of those young white kids begging downtown might learn something from them except they decided sitting there with a funny sign was easier.
 

frankcastle

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Has anyone made the "... and the smallest penises" joke yet?
LOL but given that there are over 500 million men in just china alone you gotta figure that the number of guys on the high end of the bell curve is pretty impressive (if you like cock). :)
 

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The downtown core was quite nice at one point even featuring a cool fountain on the main strip with a mall plus copps colleseum plus a huge library etc etc problem was that the box stores drew people into the burbs.
Of course it was nice at one time. The elegant Victorian houses in Hamilton are also nice. But it's all rundown now because of the people that live there.
 

frankcastle

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Yes, there is no such thing as poor elderly asians. You really are out of your depth.


p.s. the point was originally something about work ethic. A bunch of those young white kids begging downtown might learn something from them except they decided sitting there with a funny sign was easier.
People forget that in places like Markham you can probably find a number of asian families all renting the same house. And it's not because they have a lot of money and are choosing to live like that for fun or as a reminder of their homeland where population density is higher and personal space is smaller.
 

frankcastle

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Of course it was nice at one time. The elegant Victorian houses in Hamilton are also nice. But it's all rundown now because of the people that live there.
Nope it's run down because the business owners left. Jackson square and the king st strip used to be a nice place to shop but the shoppers all left for box stores and places like limeridge mall.

The poor people you see were there before. It is just more obvious since businesses are not there to pay to keep the area pretty.

If you house goes to shit because you didn't take care of it and cockroaches showed up I wouldn't blame the cockroaches but hte events that occurred prior that allowed them to spread.
 

james t kirk

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Are you sure 300K for a westdale home with 4 bedrooms?!??? Is it a fixer upper? I just did a mls search in the westdale area for 4 bdrm houses and found listings for 500 and 700K.

Either you are generous on what you consider westdale or they were lucky or the house is in terrible shape.
To me, Westdale is anything from the foot of the mountain in the south to main street (in the north)

And from McMaster (in the west) to James Street (in the east).

"Westdale Proper" I suppose would be the King Street area around Mac. This house is in "westdale proper" and I guarantee it will go for less than 400. Toronto a similar neighbourhood would be Riverdale or High Park and it would be 800 plus.

http://www.realtor.ca/propertyDetails.aspx?propertyId=11903998&PidKey=-1030712631

Trust me, Hamilton is a buyer's market.

Here's a 5 bedroom, 3 story house for 179k and it's a decent neighbourhood (I even know this street)

http://www.realtor.ca/propertyDetails.aspx?propertyId=11808434&PidKey=-951493404


In my experience, Hamilton is HALF of what Toronto is price wise. (But it truly is location, location, location)


The two areas I would consider living in in Hamilton are: Westdale (first) and Gage Park (second)

The 2 funky areas are Locke Street and Hess Street.

The downtown core is hard hit. No doubt about that.
 

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if when you were little your mom's boyfriend was fucking you in the ass after beating the crap out of you while she was injecting herself in the next room you would be carrying a funny sign too


Yes, there is no such thing as poor elderly asians. You really are out of your depth.


p.s. the point was originally something about work ethic. A bunch of those young white kids begging downtown might learn something from them except they decided sitting there with a funny sign was easier.
 

james t kirk

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Yeah, that's about it.

Melrose is pretty good up towards the south end, not so much at the north end (Ivor Wyne Stadium is right there).

At the end of the day, there is less money in Hamilton than there is in Toronto, so the real estate prices are lower. (Obviously) Toronto also is where the action is from a career point of view. When I finished McMaster, there was no opportunities for me in Hamilton, so I found a job in T.O. At first I drove back and forth because I didn't like the idea of living in Toronto, but then a funny thing happened and I started to like Toronto. Now I wouldn't live any where else.

Hamilton does have potential though. It has a lot going for it geographically.

But....

If you're a young person and you want to own your own home, making a decent salary, it's almost fucking impossible to do it in Toronto now. Real estate prices are stupid high now. I will use myself as an example. Bought my detached house in 97 in HIgh Park area. Typical west toronto brick, 1200 ft2 or so, 3 bedrooms, etc. It needed one of everything and most yuppies went running screaming when they saw that it didn't have track lighting. (Yuppies must have track lighting, or better yet pot lighting with halogen lights to feel right about their decision to purchase.) Me, it was EXACTLY what I wanted. The worst house on a good street. I love renovating myself so I was cool with getting dirty (all the time). And no, even though I completely rewired the joint (knob and tube city) I didn't install any damn pot lights. Pot lights are for goobers.

Blah blah blah, it cost me 5 times my annual salary at the time.

Take a young guy with the same experience as I had back in 97 (and I know what his salary would be) my house would now cost him 10 times his annual salary. (And I'm talking fixer upper here.)

Simply put, real estate has outpaced inflation. What I could afford in 97, a guy in 2012 cannot afford. (Unless of course Mummy and Daddy cough up large - in which case he's not a man and I laugh at him, but so many young people think nothing of it.)

If you're the kind of guy who wants an urban lifestyle in your own older home in an established neighbourhood - Hamilton gives you that opportunity.
 

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To me, Westdale is anything from the foot of the mountain in the south to main street (in the north)

And from McMaster (in the west) to James Street (in the east).

"Westdale Proper" I suppose would be the King Street area around Mac. This house is in "westdale proper" and I guarantee it will go for less than 400. Toronto a similar neighbourhood would be Riverdale or High Park and it would be 800 plus.

http://www.realtor.ca/propertyDetails.aspx?propertyId=11903998&PidKey=-1030712631

Trust me, Hamilton is a buyer's market.

Here's a 5 bedroom, 3 story house for 179k and it's a decent neighbourhood (I even know this street)

http://www.realtor.ca/propertyDetails.aspx?propertyId=11808434&PidKey=-951493404


In my experience, Hamilton is HALF of what Toronto is price wise. (But it truly is location, location, location)


The two areas I would consider living in in Hamilton are: Westdale (first) and Gage Park (second)

The 2 funky areas are Locke Street and Hess Street.

The downtown core is hard hit. No doubt about that.
Yea and it's over 50 years old! No thanks.
 

james t kirk

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Yea and it's over 50 years old! No thanks.
See, some guys like new houses in faceless burbs with double driveways and bullshit green PT wood fencing as far as the eye can see, and dust and dump trucks, and having to drive to buy a loaf of bread, and others like me like older established urban neighbourhoods with big trees and close access to the subway and Bloor Street with the ability to walk everywhere you need to go.

BTW, older homes tend to be far better build than new ones from a structural point of view. (All bets are off for custom of course)
 

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I agree, James. Nothing appealing about cheap cookie-cutter houses/communities.

How many times has your house increased in value since 1997? If it was a fixer upper then, and you fixed it up, you could probably get 3 - 5 times the price that you paid for it, right?
 

frankcastle

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To me, Westdale is anything from the foot of the mountain in the south to main street (in the north)

And from McMaster (in the west) to James Street (in the east).

"Westdale Proper" I suppose would be the King Street area around Mac. This house is in "westdale proper" and I guarantee it will go for less than 400. Toronto a similar neighbourhood would be Riverdale or High Park and it would be 800 plus.

http://www.realtor.ca/propertyDetails.aspx?propertyId=11903998&PidKey=-1030712631

Trust me, Hamilton is a buyer's market.

Here's a 5 bedroom, 3 story house for 179k and it's a decent neighbourhood (I even know this street)

http://www.realtor.ca/propertyDetails.aspx?propertyId=11808434&PidKey=-951493404


In my experience, Hamilton is HALF of what Toronto is price wise. (But it truly is location, location, location)


The two areas I would consider living in in Hamilton are: Westdale (first) and Gage Park (second)

The 2 funky areas are Locke Street and Hess Street.

The downtown core is hard hit. No doubt about that.
Gage park to me is on the border of rough areas. I'd be thinking about who my kid would be going to school with.

Westdale proper to me is from Westdale HS to Mac. That area is really nice. Although the prospect of being beside a rental property is not the most appealing.

I like Dundas better.

But yeah lack of jobs led me to the GTA.

The cheaper houses that you are talking about can have issues. My buddy is in the locke st area and yes his house was cheap but the house was so old that the basement had a dirt floor and you could see where the walls ended.

But for the most part no matter how rough you think Hamilton is Toronto is worse.
 

Petzel

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See, some guys like new houses in faceless burbs with double driveways and bullshit green PT wood fencing as far as the eye can see, and dust and dump trucks, and having to drive to buy a loaf of bread, and others like me like older established urban neighbourhoods with big trees and close access to the subway and Bloor Street with the ability to walk everywhere you need to go.

BTW, older homes tend to be far better build than new ones from a structural point of view. (All bets are off for custom of course)
Perhaps, but only if electrical and plumbing work has been updated. Otherwise an old house like that wouldn't be able to accomodate the higher standards of today. And i don't like the old oil heaters the older houses have. I want more efficient heating with clean natural gas and central A/C! Many older houses don't have these either.
It's a lot more expensive to add these to an old house as opposed to buying a newer house that already has these items installed.
 

james t kirk

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But for the most part no matter how rough you think Hamilton is Toronto is worse.
Toronto is worse than Hamilton??

Not in my experience.

The Hammer is a far tougher town. When I was a kid I remember getting into a lot of fights. One time 2 hoods were following me and I knew they were going to jump me and I grabbed a lid off of a garbage can and bashed the one kid right over the head before he could jump me. This kind of shit was nonstop.

To me, the north end of Hamilton rivals anything in Toronto and then some.
 

james t kirk

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Perhaps, but only if electrical and plumbing work has been updated. Otherwise an old house like that wouldn't be able to accomodate the higher standards of today. And i don't like the old oil heaters the older houses have. I want more efficient heating with clean natural gas and central A/C! Many older houses don't have these either.
It's a lot more expensive to add these to an old house as opposed to buying a newer house that already has these items installed.
I suppose, but I've learned to do a lot over the years on my own. I will tackle just about any project on a house, including major structural work. The only thing I won't try is brick laying (it's an art) and roofing (you need 4 guys) and to me, it's THEE pig of a job to do on a house.

Old mechanical and electrical doesn't scare me - it turns me on because it scares everyone else away. Love to find a great fixer upper in cabbagetown or the Annex with old decrepid everything. Better yet infested with cockroaches and rats so no-one wants it. Go in, gut the place to the bones, and new everything.
 
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