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Anbarandy

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General winter haven’t arrived yet in Ukraine. .. and when winter come … then the shock and awe will have the effect which I expect in early January 2023 plus when republicans take the house that mean no more money for Urkraine government !

I suspected the Russian army probably pulled back in Kherson , but it just another battle that probably not worth losing more Russian soldier lives. Just waiting for winter to settle in Ukraine. No electricity means, no water, no fuel, that mean ukraine will have to negotiate or surrender. Mostly likely surrender…that when you see Zelensky with loads suitcase of money flying out of Ukraine into Florida or eat a bullet. If I put a bet flying plane load of personal luggage stuffed with US dollars. That how ir will end for Zelensky and innocent Urkraine people will realize they just fought a useless proxy war… they should negotiate to a peaceful treaty of no NATO a membership and not kill thousand of Crimea Russian speaking people. And the evil Russia Putin leader won’t have invaded Ukraine.

PS. Two evil leader fighting other get none of my sympathy!!! Only innocent Ukraine people and innocent Crimea Russian speaking people get my sympathy for this stupid proxy war.
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The Economics of Kamikaze Drones

 

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Fresh reporting in The New York Times points to a fierce internal Biden administration divide over how the US should respond to the Ukraine crisis as winter is closing in and there's as yet no sign the two sides are anywhere close to ending the fighting.

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley is reportedly pressing hard for White House policy to shift toward pressuring Kiev and Moscow to the negotiating table.

Per the Times report, the top general "has made the case in internal meetings that the Ukrainians have achieved about as much as they could reasonably expect on the battlefield before winter sets in and so they should try to cement their gains at the bargaining table, according to officials informed about the discussions."

Top Biden foreign policy advisers, however, have said it's "too soon" and are pushing back against Milley, also as the White House cheers on the continuing significant Ukrainian battlefield gains in and around Kherson in the south.

They argue that any pause in fighting while efforts to get representatives to the negotiating table, a process which hasn't been seriously pursued since the opening months of the war, will only benefit pro-Kremlin forces, giving them opportunity to regroup.

According to the report, citing those officials pushing back against Milley, "While Mr. Biden’s advisers believe the war will likely be settled through negotiations eventually, officials said, they have concluded that the moment is not ripe and the United States should not be seen as pressuring the Ukrainians to hold back while they have momentum."

Biden has lately reiterated that Zelensky and his government are the sole decision-makers when it comes to the timing of negotiations, and the Ukrainian leader recently vowed as a matter of policy enshrined into law that there will be no negotiations while Vladimir Putin is still president of Russia.

But the reality is that Washington and ultimately the American taxpayer are funding the Ukrainian counteroffensive to the tune of billions of dollars in weapons and supplies. In Congress, GOP leadership has begun questioning Biden's "blank check" writing at the expense of ordinary citizens struggling with rising food, fuel, and cost of living.

The Times notes that the internal admin schism has grown to the point of spilling over into public discourse:

The debate, which the officials described on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss sensitive deliberations, has spilled out into public in recent days as General Milley made public comments hinting at his private advice. "Seize the moment," he said in a speech in New York on Wednesday.
Milley followed by telling CNBC on Thursday, "We’ve seen the Ukrainian military fight the Russian military to a standstill." He then said, "Now, what the future holds is not known with any degree of certainty, but we think there are some possibilities here for some diplomatic solutions

 

Valcazar

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Fresh reporting in The New York Times points to a fierce internal Biden administration divide over how the US should respond to the Ukraine crisis as winter is closing in and there's as yet no sign the two sides are anywhere close to ending the fighting.

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley is reportedly pressing hard for White House policy to shift toward pressuring Kiev and Moscow to the negotiating table.

Per the Times report, the top general "has made the case in internal meetings that the Ukrainians have achieved about as much as they could reasonably expect on the battlefield before winter sets in and so they should try to cement their gains at the bargaining table, according to officials informed about the discussions."

Top Biden foreign policy advisers, however, have said it's "too soon" and are pushing back against Milley, also as the White House cheers on the continuing significant Ukrainian battlefield gains in and around Kherson in the south.

They argue that any pause in fighting while efforts to get representatives to the negotiating table, a process which hasn't been seriously pursued since the opening months of the war, will only benefit pro-Kremlin forces, giving them opportunity to regroup.

According to the report, citing those officials pushing back against Milley, "While Mr. Biden’s advisers believe the war will likely be settled through negotiations eventually, officials said, they have concluded that the moment is not ripe and the United States should not be seen as pressuring the Ukrainians to hold back while they have momentum."

Biden has lately reiterated that Zelensky and his government are the sole decision-makers when it comes to the timing of negotiations, and the Ukrainian leader recently vowed as a matter of policy enshrined into law that there will be no negotiations while Vladimir Putin is still president of Russia.

But the reality is that Washington and ultimately the American taxpayer are funding the Ukrainian counteroffensive to the tune of billions of dollars in weapons and supplies. In Congress, GOP leadership has begun questioning Biden's "blank check" writing at the expense of ordinary citizens struggling with rising food, fuel, and cost of living.

The Times notes that the internal admin schism has grown to the point of spilling over into public discourse:


Milley followed by telling CNBC on Thursday, "We’ve seen the Ukrainian military fight the Russian military to a standstill." He then said, "Now, what the future holds is not known with any degree of certainty, but we think there are some possibilities here for some diplomatic solutions


What?
People have serious discussions about complicated foreign policy issues and don't always agree?
There are strenuous and informed debates at the highest level where people put forward what they think is to the best advantage of the country and Biden doesn't just surround himself with "yes men" licking his taint?

Who ever would have thought such a thing!?

I also think it is kind of funny that Maté is trying to make a scandal out of Ohmar having different positions on what she thinks is feasible or prudent at different times over the course of a 6 month war.
It's like he is genuinely shocked that she might be looking at the situation and making decisions based on what she is seeing.
 
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mandrill

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I cant see that end well. To sustain a force of any size across water features is no small task.
Unless it's a quick hit-and-run commando raid, I agree.

The Yooks have all Donbass and Zaporizhye to play with. Why would they launch a risky amphibious strike?
 

basketcase

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I cant see that end well. To sustain a force of any size across water features is no small task.
As part of a larger action, such as a push towards Melitopol, a crossing of the Gulf could put enough pressure to precipitate a rapid withdrawal.

But as it is, I could see a quick hop across happeneing at the time of the original pullback to see whether the Russian forces were disorganized enough to take advantage of, especially with that little peninsula being within easy range of supporting Ukrainian artillery.
 

basketcase

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Unless it's a quick hit-and-run commando raid, I agree.

The Yooks have all Donbass and Zaporizhye to play with. Why would they launch a risky amphibious strike?
It seems the Ukrainian plan is to let the Russians wear themselves down with their attempted advance in Donetsk and then strike to cut off Crimea. They wouldn't advertise it to their people but I could see them preferring to take Crimea back while leaving the strongly pro-Russian areas of Donetsk open to negotiations.
 

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