is that so?People want to chill out on Sundays and watch two teams win a football game
is that so?People want to chill out on Sundays and watch two teams win a football game
False equivalence.Lets say you own a restaurant, and you hired a waiter who always wears "sieg heil Hitler" t-shirt. Would that also then not fall under a constitutional freedom of speech, or does the restaurant owner not have a right to present a certain image to his customers by enforcing a staff dress code (with no Hitler t-shirt)??
Now dont get mad (like you usually do). Take a deep breath and think about it before you answer
1. Are you implying that because they receive tax subsidies that they should stand for the national anthem? Why? Taxes are paid by the populace and I am sure that a significant portion of the tax paying populace feels that it's fine if the players kneel.NFL gets billions in subsidies from U.S. taxpayers
If you're a U.S. taxpayer then you're subsidizing the wildly profitable National Football League, regardless of whether you're a fan.
The NFL is the most profitable pro sports league in the U.S., raking in an estimated $1 billion in profits on $10.5 billion in revenue last season, figures that are sure to increase this year.
Those massive profits are made possible in part by the billions of taxpayer dollars that local governments spend on teams, coupled with tax breaks worth hundreds of millions for the teams, the league, their sponsors and fans.
http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/30/news/companies/nfl-taxpayers/index.html
Who's to say that the NFL is losing fans due to the kneeling protest. Maybe people are just tired of the BS that comes with the hype surrounding the NFL. Maybe young people have better things to do than to watch an NFL game or they don't give a fuck.TV ratings were down 10% https://www.si.com/tech-media/2018/...cent-colin-kaepernick-thursday-night-football
Attendance from 2016 to 2017 was down by about half a million: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2016/attendance.htm
Yes the NFL is obviously still very profitable, but if they keep losing fans because of the kneeling protest, then for how long will they continue to be profitable??
Maybe a simpler solution is to end the playing of national anthems before sporting games. By your logic....Haha. Good to see the owners finally win this stupid episode.
It's a game. People want to chill out on Sundays and watch two teams win a football game, and not sit there ad watch man-children turn a sporting event into a political stage.
If someone wants to protest, do it on your personal website or Twitter.
As everyone respects and expects at work, leave your politics at home.
They can hide in the dressing room and have asecret protest? LOL...... I see the players union was not a part of this decision. They were excluded. I will boycott the NFL now.Actually the players can kneel during the anthem, but in the dressing room. The players are not required to be on the sidelines during the anthem. They can stay in the dressing room as a protest.
I think it is reasonable.
James, the 1st amendment only allows for protection of free speech from the government, it doesnt say you're allowed to say anything you want on company time without repercussions. It also doesnt say you're allowed to scream "fire" in a crowded movie theatre.False equivalence.
Spouting off neo nazi ideology and hatred is not the same as legitimate protesting against government treatment of a target group of people under the rule of law (i.e. to be safe before the law and not to get shot on sight.)
There is a difference between hate speech and offending people. It is your right to to offend. It is not your right to discriminate against a target group of people and to violate their civil rights. Football players kneeling during a national anthem does not violate anyone's civil rights, ergo it must be allowed under the terms of the US constitution. (First Amendment I believe.)
Youtube is filled with videos of fans burning their jerseys because of the kneeling. Its safe to say they lost a fair amount of supportersWho's to say that the NFL is losing fans due to the kneeling protest
You don't have freedom of speech while in someone else's employ. That's a slam dunk point of law.That has GOTTA be a slam dunk freedom of speech constitutional challenge to federal court anytime the players' union wants to make the league suck its dick!
We already have re-education camps, its called "political correctness", and it was started by the Left.Pandering even further to his dimwitted fanbase, Trump has now mused (on Fox and Friends) that maybe the protesting players "shouldn't be in this country".
What next Trump? Maybe they should be place in re-education camps?
Quite aside from whether I am a Trump "fan", I am unabashedly an NFL fan. As a long time season ticket holding fan, I don't want to see any protests as part of the event, even if the protest was "pro-Trump". I like my sports without a side of politics. I'm not American, so the "disrespect to the flag" is not what riled me up (although I understand why it could). What irritated me was the idea that I didn't pay (more and more each year) to see somebody grandstand their political views, particularly views I don't agree with. I paid to watch football. If the NFL wants to dress the game up in a wrapper of ceremony, I don't mind, as long the ceremony doesn't irritate me. It's bad enough that political correctness is endangering the existence of NFL cheerleaders (already gone from Buffalo). Don't wreck my entertainment with political idiocy!Pandering even further to his dimwitted fanbase, Trump has now mused (on Fox and Friends) that maybe the protesting players "shouldn't be in this country".
What next Trump? Maybe they should be place in re-education camps?
Kind of like the President publicly advocating for the protesting players to be fired then encouraging his dimwitted base to boycott the NFL?We already have re-education camps, its called "political correctness", and it was started by the Left.
Say something we don't like and we'll boycott you and try to end your career, all the while championing free speech of course
Exactly my point, on the one hand you guys on the Left feel its OK for store owners to be fined who refuse to bake cakes for gays because of their religious beliefs, but when Trump wants to fine players for disrespecting the US flag suddenly you think thats wrong.Kind of like the President publicly advocating for the protesting players to be fired then encouraging his dimwitted base to boycott the NFL?
Do you even read what you write, or are you completely blind to irony?
Hey Mr Slam Buddunk, article on the issue today in that unpatriotic fake news rag, the WaPo.You don't have freedom of speech while in someone else's employ. That's a slam dunk point of law.
How is that an intelligent analogy, Phil?Exactly my point, on the one hand you guys on the Left feel its OK for store owners to be fined who refuse to bake cakes for gays because of their religious beliefs, but when Trump wants to fine players for disrespecting the US flag suddenly you think thats wrong.
Case in point: https://www.statesmanjournal.com/st...akery-owners-gay-wedding-cake-case/985096001/
This one??Hey Mr Slam Buddunk, article on the issue today in that unpatriotic fake news rag, the WaPo
Do NFL players have First Amendment rights on the football field?
The short answer is no. NFL teams are private companies, making the First Amendment a mostly moot point. The players can be subject to discipline or termination as employees if they don’t follow league rules.
“The First Amendment doesn’t apply to private institutions,” Erwin Chemerinsky, the dean of Berkeley Law and a constitutional law expert told The Washington Post. “Private employers can fire employees for their speech without having to worry about the First Amendment.”