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The CEO/Chairman of Reuters sits on the board of Pfizer







Conflict of Interest: Reuters ‘Fact Checks’ COVID-Related Social Media Posts, But Fails to Disclose Ties to Pfizer, World Economic Forum


Conflict of Interest: Reuters ‘Fact Checks’ COVID-Related Social Media Posts, But Fails to Disclose Ties to Pfizer, World Economic Forum • Children's Health Defense (childrenshealthdefense.org)
Children's Health Defence appears to be a bullshit anti vaxx horseshit site.

Most of its articles are anti vaxx, anti Fauci articles. It's your typical conspiracy theory bullshit which goes on about how all the corporations and rich people work secretly with each other to exploit and lie to the common man.
 

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Children's Health Defence appears to be a bullshit anti vaxx horseshit site.

Most of its articles are anti vaxx, anti Fauci articles. It's your typical conspiracy theory bullshit which goes on about how all the corporations and rich people work secretly with each other to exploit and lie to the common man.

typical response from somebody who didn't bother to read and do his own research

this is on Pfizer website


Our experts | Pfizer

JAMES C. SMITH

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Age: 62 years
Chairman of the Thomson Reuters Foundation, a London-based charity supported by the global news and information provider. President, Chief Executive Officer and Director of Thomson Reuters Corporation, a provider of intelligent information for businesses and professionals, from 2012 until his retirement in 2020. He also served as its Chief Operating Officer from September 2011 to December 2011 and Chief Executive Officer, Thomson Reuters Professional Division, from 2008 to 2011. Prior to the acquisition of Reuters Group PLC by The Thomson Corporation (Thomson) in 2008, served as Chief Operating Officer of Thomson and as President and Chief Executive Officer of Thomson Learning's Academic and Reference Group. Member of the International Business Council of the World Economic Forum, the International Advisory Boards of British American Business and the Atlantic Council. Director of Refinitiv, a privately-held global provider of financial market data and infrastructure until its acquisition by the London Stock Exchange Group in 2021. Pfizer Director since 2014. Chair of our Compensation Committee and Member of our Audit Committee.


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typical response from somebody who didn't bother to read and do his own research

this is on Pfizer website


Our experts | Pfizer

JAMES C. SMITH

Media Name: smith_updated_300x170px.jpg

Age: 62 years
Chairman of the Thomson Reuters Foundation, a London-based charity supported by the global news and information provider. President, Chief Executive Officer and Director of Thomson Reuters Corporation, a provider of intelligent information for businesses and professionals, from 2012 until his retirement in 2020. He also served as its Chief Operating Officer from September 2011 to December 2011 and Chief Executive Officer, Thomson Reuters Professional Division, from 2008 to 2011. Prior to the acquisition of Reuters Group PLC by The Thomson Corporation (Thomson) in 2008, served as Chief Operating Officer of Thomson and as President and Chief Executive Officer of Thomson Learning's Academic and Reference Group. Member of the International Business Council of the World Economic Forum, the International Advisory Boards of British American Business and the Atlantic Council. Director of Refinitiv, a privately-held global provider of financial market data and infrastructure until its acquisition by the London Stock Exchange Group in 2021. Pfizer Director since 2014. Chair of our Compensation Committee and Member of our Audit Committee.


Jim Smith (business executive) - Wikipedia
No, I read it and you misunderstood what I wrote.

They sit on each other's boards because people at that level have many, many connections and they network. It's the same everywhere.

But your site is still a conspiracy theory garbage site. It makes you believe that all the corporations are plotting against you. But that's crap.
 

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No, I read it and you misunderstood what I wrote.

They sit on each other's boards because people at that level have many, many connections and they network. It's the same everywhere.

But your site is still a conspiracy theory garbage site. It makes you believe that all the corporations are plotting against you. But that's crap.

it's called conflict of interest and it goes against the rues of journalism.

and PFizer blackmail governments

 

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it's called conflict of interest and it goes against the rues of journalism.

and PFizer blackmail governments

If a guy sits on 2 boards of directors, that's against the rules of journalism?

No. Only in your own conspiracy-theory obsessed mind is that a fact.
 

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it's called conflict of interest and it goes against the rues of journalism.

and PFizer blackmail governments

Here's a good one from the same YouTube channel saying that "Pfizer is demanding military bases in return for vaccines". You even begin to take this shit seriously?!
 

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Here's a good one from the same YouTube channel saying that "Pfizer is demanding military bases in return for vaccines". You even begin to take this shit seriously?!
it's all documented too bad you won't read anything you don't like.
 

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it's all documented too bad you won't read anything you don't like.
Not when it's 7:00 of crap from a Pakistani-based internet news source that appears obsessed with attacking 1 single corporation. No.
 

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Not when it's 7:00 of crap from a Pakistani-based internet news source that appears obsessed with attacking 1 single corporation. No.
WION is based in India.


Australia's ABC

Pfizer has power to 'silence' governments and 'maximize profits', consumer group alleges


try reading news outside of Canada for once
 

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WION is based in India.


Australia's ABC

Pfizer has power to 'silence' governments and 'maximize profits', consumer group alleges


try reading news outside of Canada for once
There you go. Right from your Australian news source. Pfizer's behaviour is totally appropriate.

There is a reasonable explanation for that requirement to be included in Pfizer's contracts, according to the University of Queensland's biotech and pharmaceutical expert, Trent Munro.

"When pharmaceutical companies release a product, they generally lose control of where it's stored," he said.
"But they also need to ensure something doesn't happen that can impact the potency of the product.

"If, for example, the vaccine gets spoiled or doesn't work properly, liability will come back to the company. They'd naturally get blamed even if they're not in control of distribution."
Even when a country has ordered Pfizer's vaccines and is waiting for them to arrive, the company has the power to change the vaccine delivery schedule, without consulting the country or suffering a penalty. That term appears in its contracts with Albania, Brazil and Colombia.

The contracts that Brazil, Chile, Colombia and the Dominican Republic signed were wide enough to cover situations where they were unable to rely on sovereign immunity if they breached the agreement and Pfizer wanted to come after their state assets.
 

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Okay, Mr SMFH. We're going to go through some more scientific articles. Let's start with the Wiki article on Ivermectin. Your bud Oracle says that Ivermectin is a protease inhibitor. That's not what the wiki article says. Let's read it together, shall we?

Pharmacology



Ivermectin (IVM) bound to a C. elegans GluClR. IVM molecules interact with a binding pocket formed by the transmembrane domains of adjacent GluClR subunits, "locking" the receptor in an activated (open) conformation that allows unrestricted passage of chloride (Cl−) ions into the cell. (The plasma membrane is represented as a blue–pink gradient.) From PDB: 3RHW.
Mechanism of action

Ivermectin and its related drugs act by interfering with the nerve and muscle functions of helminths and insects.[61] The drug binds to glutamate-gated chloride channels common to invertebrate nerve and muscle cells.[62] The binding pushes the channels open, which increases the flow of chloride ions and hyper-polarizes the cell membranes,[61] paralyzing and killing the invertebrate.[62] Ivermectin is safe for mammals (at the normal therapeutic doses used to cure parasite infections) because mammalian glutamate-gated chloride channels only occur in the brain and spinal cord: the causative avermectins usually do not cross the blood–brain barrier, and are unlikely to bind to other mammalian ligand-gated channels.[62]

I'm not reading "protease inhibitor" there. I'm reading that it paralyzes little crawly fuckers. You want to tell me where you get "protease inhibitor", I'm happy to read it. But I can't find it anywhere in the Wiki article.



Here is more Wiki:


COVID-19 misinformation

Further information: COVID-19 misinformation § Ivermectin

Ivermectin has been pushed by right-wing politicians and activists promoting it as a supposed COVID treatment.[83][84][85] Misinformation about ivermectin's efficacy spread widely on social media, fueled by publications that have since been retracted,[86][87] misleading "meta-analysis" websites with substandard methods,[88][89] and conspiracy theories about efforts by governments and scientists to "suppress the evidence."[90][91]

In response to widespread misuse, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, U.S. Centers for Disease Control, World Health Organization, American Medical Association, American Pharmacists Association, and American Society of Health-System Pharmacists issued statements in 2021 warning that ivermectin is not approved or authorized for the treatment or prevention of COVID-19, and advised against its use for that purpose outside of clinical trials.[60][22][92]

On September 1, 2021, health experts from the United States expressed concerns from reports of sharp increases in outpatient prescribing and dispensing of ivermectin with respect to levels before the pandemic.[93] These experts explain that the CDC has not authorized or approved ivermectin for the prevention or treatment of COVID-19. The American Association of Poison Control Centers has reported 1,440 cases of ivermectin poisoning through September 20, 2021, a three-fold increase compared to similar time periods in 2019 and 2020.[94]



Here is another chunk of Wiki for you:


Ivermectin

Further information: COVID-19 drug repurposing research § Ivermectin

The antiparasitic drug ivermectin became a cause célèbre for right-wing figures promoting it as a supposed COVID treatment.[401] Misinformation about ivermectin's efficacy spread widely on social media, fueled by publications that have since been retracted,[402][403] misleading "meta-analysis" websites with substandard methods,[404][405] and conspiracy theories about efforts by governments and scientists to "suppress the evidence."[406][407]

In October 2021 a large network of companies selling hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin has been disclosed in the US, targeting primarily right-wing and vaccine hesitant groups through social media and conspiracy videos by anti-vaccine activists such as Simone Gold. The network had 72,000 customers who collectively paid $15 million for consultations and medications.[408]

Regulatory status and off-label use

Ivermectin is not approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for use in treating any viral illness and is not authorized for use to treat COVID-19 within the European Union.[409] After reviewing the evidence on ivermectin, the EMA said that "the available data do not support its use for COVID-19 outside well-designed clinical trials".[409] The WHO also said that ivermectin should not be used to treat COVID-19 except in a clinical trial.[410] The Brazilian Health Regulatory Agency, Brazilian Society of Infectious Diseases, and Brazilian Thoracic Society issued position statements advising against the use of ivermectin for prevention or treatment of early-stage COVID-19.[411][412][413]

Misinformation, lower degrees of trust, and a sense of despair over increasing case and death counts has led to an increase in ivermectin's use in Central and Eastern Europe, Latin America,[414][415] and South Africa. A black market has also developed in many of these countries where official approval has not been granted.[416]

Several Latin American government health organizations recommended ivermectin as a COVID-19 treatment based, in part, on preprints and anecdotal evidence; these recommendations were later denounced by the Pan American Health Organization.[402][417]

The viral social media misinformation about ivermectin has gained particular attention in South Africa where an anti-vaccination group called "South Africa Has A Right To Ivermectin" has been lobbying for the drug to be made available for prescription.[418] Another group, the "Ivermectin Interest Group" launched a court case against the South African Health Products Regulatory Authority (SAHPRA), and as a result a compassionate use exemption was granted. SAPHRA stated in April 2021 that "At present, there are no approved treatments for COVID-19 infections."[418]

Despite the absence of high-quality evidence to suggest any efficacy and advice to the contrary, some governments have allowed its off-label use for prevention and treatment of COVID-19. Countries that have granted such official approval for ivermectin include the Czech Republic,[416] Slovakia,[416] Mexico,[419] Peru (later rescinded),[420][421] India[422][423] (later rescinded),[424] the Philippines,[425] and the Colombian city of Cali.[426]

In Washington County, Arkansas, Dr. Robert Karas was criticized for prescribing ivermectin for COVID-19 prevention against FDA guidance, for himself, for his family, and for prison employees and inmates at the Washington County Detention Center in Fayetteville, Arkansas. His company, Karas Correctional Health, prescribed at least one corrections officer vitamins and ivermectin after a negative COVID-19 test.[427]

High-profile retractions and misleading websites

Several high-profile publications purporting to demonstrate reduced mortality in COVID-19 patients were later retracted due to suspected data falsification.[428][429] This only added to confusion among the media and lay public,[402] as these publications had been widely cited by ivermectin supporters and included in meta-analyses.[403][401][430]

During the pandemic, a number of misleading websites appeared purporting to show meta-analyses of clinical evidence in favor of ivermectin's use in treating COVID-19.[404][405] The sites in question had anonymous owners, multiple domains which redirected to the same content, and used many colorful, but misleading, graphics to communicate their point.[431][404] The web servers used for these sites are the same as those previously used to spread misinformation about hydroxychloroquine.[432]

While these sites gained traction among many non-scientists on social media, they also violated many of the basic norms of meta-analysis methodology. Notably, many of these sites included studies with widely different dosages of the treatment, an open-label design (in which experimenters and participants both know who is in the control group), poor-quality control groups (such as another untested treatment which may worsen outcomes), or no control group at all.[405] Another issue is the inclusion of multiple ad-hoc un-published trials which did not undergo peer-review, and which had different incompatible outcome measures.[433] Such methodological problems are known to distort the findings of meta-analyses and cause spurious or false findings.[434] The misinformation communicated by these sites created confusion among the public and policy makers.[404]

Frontline COVID-19 Critical Care Alliance (FLCCC)



Holy shit, LolRus! I'm not reading anything about Ivermectin being a "protease inhibitor" on THAT wiki either. You want to tell me where you got the "protease inhibitor" info. You show me, I'll read it.

In fact - from my brief little amble through a couple of Wiki pages - Ivermectin appears to have nothing to do with "protease inhibitor" stuff and the Pfizer research appears to be brand new. Which kinda makes sense in a way that your and Oracle's theory really doesn't - for all the reasons I listed above when you did your little "SMFH" shtick at me.

Looking forward to either you or Oracle responding to this. I'd like to see you cite some scientific articles at me - even basic shit like Wiki. You and I have some talking to do.
I never said anything about Ivermectin being a protease inhibitor.
It does however have antiviral activity on other viruses, so its not a stretch that it has anti-Covid activity as well.

Read and learn: https://www.nature.com/articles/ja201711

Ivermectin has been found to potently inhibit replication of the yellow fever virus, with EC50 values in the sub-nanomolar range. It also inhibits replication in several other flaviviruses, including dengue, Japanese encephalitis and tick-borne encephalitis, probably by targeting non-structural 3 helicase activity.97 Ivermectin inhibits dengue viruses and interrupts virus replication, bestowing protection against infection with all distinct virus serotypes, and has unexplored potential as a dengue antiviral.98.

Ivermectin has also been demonstrated to be a potent broad-spectrum specific inhibitor of importin α/β-mediated nuclear transport and demonstrates antiviral activity against several RNA viruses by blocking the nuclear trafficking of viral proteins. It has been shown to have potent antiviral action against HIV-1 and dengue viruses, both of which are dependent on the importin protein superfamily for several key cellular processes. Ivermectin may be of import in disrupting HIV-1 integrase in HIV-1 as well as NS-5 (non-structural protein 5) polymerase in dengue viruses
 

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Government study from 2012: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22535622/

Ivermectin is a potent inhibitor of flavivirus replication specifically targeting NS3 helicase activity: new prospects for an old drug

Ivermectin, a broadly used anti-helminthic drug, proved to be a highly potent inhibitor of YFV replication (EC₅₀ values in the sub-nanomolar range). Moreover, ivermectin inhibited, although less efficiently, the replication of several other flaviviruses, i.e. dengue fever, Japanese encephalitis and tick-borne encephalitis viruses. Ivermectin exerts its effect at a timepoint that coincides with the onset of intracellular viral RNA synthesis, as expected for a molecule that specifically targets the viral helicase
 

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I never said anything about Ivermectin being a protease inhibitor.
It does however have antiviral activity on other viruses, so its not a stretch that it has anti-Covid activity as well.

Read and learn: https://www.nature.com/articles/ja201711
Bullshit!

Oracle's entire response to this thread was to call Ivermectin a "protease inhibitor" and then to claim the Pfizer pill was a fraudulent attempt to monetize the Ivermectin formula in a more profitable new - but essentially near-identical - form. You jumped on his band wagon and insulted me when I called you - and him - on this nonsense. Now you're trying to lie your way out of this thread.

Post #8 through #16.
 
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I never said anything about Ivermectin being a protease inhibitor.
It does however have antiviral activity on other viruses, so its not a stretch that it has anti-Covid activity as well.

Read and learn: https://www.nature.com/articles/ja201711
That's scientifically overwhelming isn't it?..... "It's not a stretch it has anti-COVID activity as well".

It's not a stretch my urine might have anti COVID activity too. But no one has ever actually proved that - just like Ivermectin.
 

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Bullshit!

Oracle's entire response to this thread was to call Ivermectin a "protease inhibitor" and then to claim the Pfizer pill was a fraudulent attempt to monetize the Ivermectin formula in a more profitable new - but essentially near-identical - form. You jumped on his band wagon and insulted me when I called you - and him - on this nonsense. Now you're trying to lie your way out of this thread.

Post #8 through #16.
Boy oh boy
 

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WION is based in India.


Australia's ABC

Pfizer has power to 'silence' governments and 'maximize profits', consumer group alleges


try reading news outside of Canada for once
Took your advice about reading news from "outside Canada".


This source had no issue with the new Pfizer Drug.

Guess you meant try reading news "Outside canada-man".

Agree then it is REAL NEWS!!
 
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I find many of the anti-vaxxers to be anti (big) Pharma and Government. So it will be interesting to see how many of them will listen to a doctor this time and take the Pfizer pill, as they're shitting their pants because they just got COVID.
 
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