Never Talk To The Police

[op12]

Already posted this as part of another thread but I feel it is important enough to be a stand alone thread.

Never talk to the police. Link

This video is based on American law but Canadian law is very similar. Note, if driving a vehicle you need to show ID but you do not need to answer any questions other than name and home address.

Am I under arrest officer?
Am I free to go officer?
Am I under arrest officer?
Am I free to go officer?
Am I under arrest officer?
Am I free to go officer?
Am I under arrest officer?
Am I free to go officer?

Edit: be polite, be respectful but never answer any questions.

 

[shack]

Never talk to the police.

Paranoia.

 

[diehard]

Paranoia.

Indeed, the cops.

 

[op12]

A good pdf on Canadian civil liberties

 

[diehard]

Am I under arrest officer?
Am I free to go officer?
Am I under arrest officer?
Am I free to go officer?
Am I under arrest officer?
Am I free to go officer?
Am I under arrest officer?
Am I free to go officer?

Edit: be polite, be respectful but never answer any questions.

Not unless you committed a crime.

Other than than, the two sacred questions.

Officer, am I being detained?
Officer, am I free to go?
Have a nice day!

 

[BlueLaser]

Paranoia.

No kidding.

Cops looking for missing 4 year old, and people want to be dicks and unhelpful because "never talk to the police".

I've had zero problems in my many encounters with police. I'm not saying that there aren't incidents where cops lash out for no reason, but if it's happening to someone regularly, the common thread isn't just police, but the individual themselves, and I have no doubt a lot of people bring it on themselves.

Worth noting: I'm white as white can be. I realize that may play a large factor. But I know many white guys who tell me "every" cop they've ever met was an ass, and I just can't accept that "every" experience they have is so negative with them doing nothing to deserve it.

 

[asterwald]

The police in the US actually do stuff, they respond to situations.
In Canada they are overpaid and inactive. They purposely extend their delay times to come when its all over.

We need to cull the police force.

 

[Brotherman]

This video is way back from 2008. Post something that I haven't seen before.

 

[op12]

This is primarily a Bill C-36 thread and is intended to discuss the proper response once it passes and you find yourself unfortunate enough to be the subject of police scrutiny.

Scenario. It is december 2014, Bill C-36 has passed and is now law. You leave a strip club in the downtown area. A police officer stops you.

Police: sir, good evening, how are you? were you just in that strip club?
You: yes, officer I was.
Police: the girls in there are very pretty, did you by any chance get a lapdance from one of them? I know I would if I was in there, it would be hard to resist.
You: yes they are beautiful, it is quite hard to resist, I did indeed get a lap dance.
Police: I like it when they grind their crotch against my crotch.
You: me too, in fact the dancer I just had did that very thing.

Bam! You are now under arrest for obtaining a sexual service for money. You have also confessed to the police about your culpabilty.

Short story: never talk to the police. Exercise your rights.

 

[Aardvark154]

Am I under arrest officer?
Am I free to go officer?

The problem with this is that there are situations where the answer is:
No you are not free to go, and the U.S. Supreme Court has held that you are not under arrest although you are being detained.


Depending, what you have been stopped for this whole incident may end up with you being under arrest and your refusal to cooperate resulting in your sentence by statute being several times greater than if you had cooperated.

There are many instances where instead of being a "sea lawyer" being polite would save one a great deal of aggravation in the long run.

 

[BlueLaser]

This is primarily a Bill C-36 thread and is intended to discuss the proper response once it passes and you find yourself unfortunate enough to be the subject of police scrutiny.

Scenario. It is december 2014, Bill C-36 has passed and is now law. You leave a strip club in the downtown area. A police officer stops you.

Police: sir, good evening, how are you? were you just in that strip club?
You: yes, officer I was.
Police: the girls in there are very pretty, did you by any chance get a lapdance from one of them? I know I would if I was in there, it would be hard to resist.
You: yes they are beautiful, it is quite hard to resist, I did indeed get a lap dance.
Police: I like it when they grind their crotch against my crotch.
You: me too, in fact the dancer I just had did that very thing.

Bam! You are now under arrest for obtaining a sexual service for money. You have also confessed to the police about your culpabilty.

Short story: never talk to the police. Exercise your rights.

That's a little extreme. Would anyone have ever have had that conversation with police, or any other stranger, before they read your post?

 

[Aardvark154]

This is primarily a Bill C-36 thread and is intended to discuss the proper response once it passes and you find yourself unfortunate enough to be the subject of police scrutiny.

Well that was sure as Hell clear as Mud!

Secondly, in your scenario you are on the sidewalk, not in an automobile that is a very important distinction which was utterly unclear from your original post. Further to that you are clearly in Canada while the video is U.S. based.

 

[Aardvark154]

So Op12

How is this going to go down in the real world.


Scenario. It is december 2014, Bill C-36 has passed and is now law. You leave a strip club in the downtown area. A police officer stops you. (For what, is merely being in a strip club going to be a criminal offense?

Police: sir, good evening, how are you? were you just in that strip club?
You: Am I under arrest constable? Am I free to go constable?
Police: Why have you done something criminal, I merely asked you did you just come from that club
You: Am I under arrest constable? Am I free to go constable?
Police (on radio dispatch can I have a supervisor suspicious situation outside the strip club at. . .)

Now, How much better this would have all gone.

Police: sir, good evening, how are you? were you just in that strip club?
You: Yes, I was, it's too bad since this stupid law was passed that you have to be so careful in clubs anymore. I surely hope it is held unconstitutional by the Supreme Court
Police: You have a good evening, sir.
You: You as well constable.

 

[diehard]

So Op12


Police: sir, good evening, how are you? were you just in that strip club?
You: Yes, I was, it's too bad since this stupid law was passed that you have to be so careful in clubs anymore. I surely hope it is held unconstitutional by the Supreme Court
Police (on radio dispatch can I have a supervisor we have a smartass here...)

fixed that for ya.

:thumb:

 

[Aardvark154]

fixed that for ya.

:thumb:

However, I doubt very much that it would happen like that.

 

[Siocnarf]

If they see you walking out of the club there is not reason to deny that you were in there. If they ask me what I did in there, I would be polite without actually telling anything. Mimic your attitude on a politician when he is asked question in the House of Commons. Do not act like you want to keep silent, but do not actually answer the questions either. If they won't leave me alone, only then ask if I am free to go.

Best police interview ever:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4Je2WxsqWA

 

[TeasePlease]

The problem with these types of LE interactions is they're usually recommended by ppl who think they're smarter than the law. All it does is create suspicion, which can slide into probable cause. If you were really smart, you would interact politely with LE and be on your way.

 

[KBear]

Cops are too busy stopping drivers leaving the clubs to check if they are impaired to be bothered with pedestrians.


Today, undercover cops go to a strip club and are offered and receive blow jobs and FS, done over a six month period to show a trend. One night more cops show up and arrest all the guys for being found in a brawdy house.

 

[Aardvark154]

The problem with these types of LE interactions is they're usually recommended by ppl who think they're smarter than the law. All it does is create suspicion, which can slide into probable cause. If you were really smart, you would interact politely with LE and be on your way.

Spot on.

 

[bobcat40]

The problem with these types of LE interactions is they're usually recommended by ppl who think they're smarter than the law. All it does is create suspicion, which can slide into probable cause. If you were really smart, you would interact politely with LE and be on your way.

Yea this could be true but it is sad. Exercising your right to remain silent shouldn't be interpreted as probable cause but who knows with the cops these days...