Neil Peart Dead

[mellowjello]

I disagree MJ, Peart was an innovator that paved the way for Dave Lombardo and Danny Carey. Bonham was physically thick, creating a signature sound, no one could kick like he could. Baker was methodically brilliant, the most innovative drummer before Peart. To fully appreciate him you had to watch him live. really, it's pointless to compare them.

I don't think you're giving Bonham nearly enough credit, he was way beyond that. it was his timing and phrasing.
I grew up with Zeppelin and as amazing as Page and Plant were, the drumming always defined the Zeppelin sound for me,
and I never understood technically why because I was always more focused on guitar.
This video explains exactly what I was feeling without knowing how to express it.

 

[Insidious Von]

That's already been covered by James T Kirk and myself in the past with that clip. No reason to marginalize Peart's impact on music, it's disrespectful.

Bill Ward could have been up there with the previously mentioned drummers. His drug habit affected his drumming, he got dissipated and out of shape. His drumming after V4 does not match what did before. In a recent interview Ward said he doesn't remember recording Heaven and Hell.

 

[mellowjello]

That's already been covered by James T Kirk and myself in the past with that clip. No reason to marginalize Peart's impact on music, it's disrespectful.

Not marginalizing Peart, I did say he was a great drummer.
Just putting Bonham's drumming in perspective.
As I said, it's just my opinion.

 

[VERYBADBOY]

A great drummer, but I wouldn't put him with Bonham, and certainly not with Baker.
But that is just my opinion.

You really can't compare and rank them due to their style... they have all contributed to the music and drumming community in a different fashion that has affected their fans and detractors in various ways.

I was saddened and shocked by the loss of Neil not only as a long time fan but as a drummer as well. I had the opportunity to meet the band and talked with Neil before the tragic death of his daughter then his wife and subsequent withdrawal from the Limelight. With drummers it's a brotherhood, it was Neil who organized the Burning for Buddy tribute and who humbled himself amongst the other drummers contributing to the project and the live performances... Neil idolized Bonham and Baker neither of whom would have really stepped up due to their own personalities/egos... then looked in the mirror, analyzed himself after seeing the skills of the other drummers and recreated his drumming style by switching his grip from matched to traditional late in his career.

Don't get me wrong, I loved Bonham and Baker way before I got my first pair of stick and then drum kit but it was Neil who drew me in with his intellect. Later on after I studied the styles of each drummer and went into their lives more I realized that Baker was truly an asshole and Bonham was a raging alcoholic but they both shared immense egos... but when you put them behind a kit they were home. I've said my peace.

The passing of Neil has saddened the fans of Rush and the drumming community, when they went on tour for the final time it was Neil who called it not Alex ... the 3 put on an amazing tour for their fans, I was a part of it as I was for many a concert here in Toronto and many other places going back to the Moving Pictures tour at Maple Leafs Garden and my first experience.

We will miss you, thank you for bringing your music into our lives.

VBB

 

[mellowjello]

You really can't compare and rank them due to their style... they have all contributed to the music and drumming community in a different fashion that has affected their fans and detractors in various ways.

I agree 100%
My original comment was primarily in response to some posts that Peart was the best drummer ever, and I was begging to differ.
Again, only my opinion, nothing more nothing less.

 

[Insidious Von]

Stewart Copeland jam session with his buddies...Danny Carey second drum player.

 

[VERYBADBOY]

I agree 100%
My original comment was primarily in response to some posts that Peart was the best drummer ever, and I was begging to differ.
Again, only my opinion, nothing more nothing less.

No problem.

Yeah that best ever ... we already have a thread on that, maybe two lol

Cheers

VBB

 

[mellowjello]

A quick apology to the Peart fans,
I didn't mean to muscle in but it kind of looks that way, thinking about it.
It wasn't my intention.

 

[K Douglas]

A quick apology to the Peart fans,
I didn't mean to muscle in but it kind of looks that way, thinking about it.
It wasn't my intention.

I see no need for you to apologize.

 

[Butchers Dog]

A great drummer, but I wouldn't put him with Bonham, and certainly not with Baker.
But that is just my opinion.

Could we just sit back and simply appreciate the impact he had on the Canadian & World musical landscape. The best drummer or not, is not a relevant discussion at this point or really ever. It is not a tangible title.

Let's just enjoy his incredible talent as a drummer AND lyricist.

BD

 

[Insidious Von]

No offense taken.

Channel 27 on Sirius/XM is now 24 hrs Rush, I don't know who was interviewing Peart but I couldn't stop listening.

The Buddy Rich tribute from 1994.

 

[Insidious Von]

Writer David Frick is doing an excellent retrospective on Rush on Channel 27.

Terry Brown has been Rush's manager/producer since their inception. Frick left out an awkward incident that nearly got his ass fired in the early 80's. It lead to the disbanding of Max Webster. I wont go into details, some of you probably already know what happened.

 

[Robert Mugabe]

Writer David Frick is doing an excellent retrospective on Rush on Channel 27.

Terry Brown has been Rush's manager/producer since their inception. Frick left out an awkward incident that nearly got his ass fired in the early 80's. It lead to the disbanding of Max Webster. I wont go into details, some of you probably already know what happened.

I don't. Would be interested to hear.

 

[Buick Mackane]

When Rush first appeared they were seen by the Toronto music scene as a Moxy knockoff. Not content with that they let go of Greg Rutsey, replacing him with Neil Peart - they wanted a bigger sound.

Rush predates Moxy by several years.

John Rutsey (not Greg) was the original drummer, he was into basic hard rock rather than progressive rock that Alex and Geddy were aiming for. I saw the original lineup at a high school dance.

 

[mellowjello]

Rush predates Moxy by several years.

John Rutsey (not Greg) was the original drummer, he was into basic hard rock rather than progressive rock that Alex and Geddy were aiming for. I saw the original lineup at a high school dance.

So did I.
What school, PM me if you want.

 

[Buick Mackane]

So did I.
What school, PM me if you want.

Markham District Secondary, though I attended a neighbouring school.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

Rush predates Moxy by several years.

John Rutsey (not Greg) was the original drummer, he was into basic hard rock rather than progressive rock that Alex and Geddy were aiming for. I saw the original lineup at a high school dance.

That’s cool!

What did you think of them at the time?

 

[Insidious Von]

I don't. Would be interested to hear.

Rutsey was already out of Rush when I got to high school, my mistake. As for the incident, it's not up to me to say. It may be water under the bridge now, I wont take that chance. Terry Brown had a strategy with both Rush and Max Webster, he wanted both bands to start writing hits to guarantee their longevity. Max had a hit with Let Go The Line, had Permanent Waves not been Rush's biggest album to that point he might have gotten canned. I thought Moxy released their first album in 1971, again my mistake.

I met both Terry Watkinson and Mike Tilka on different occasions. Watkinson briefly toured with Greg Godovitz, Tilka attended David Wilcox's show at Starz - neither had anything to say about the breakup of Max Webster.

 

[glamphotographer]

The good times. Dinner with Rush. RIP Neil.

 

[Dutch Oven]

Markham District Secondary, though I attended a neighbouring school.

Here's a complete listing of all known Rush concerts prior to the end of the "Rush" record tour (when Rutsey left the band), compiled by the very nerdiest and meticulous Rush fans in existence: https://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/rush/tourdates.php#RUSH. While there are some unknown venues, and plenty of high schools, it doesn't show a concert at Markham District Secondary. Was the school named something else? Could it have been somewhere else?