Negotiating

[Catherine St.Claire]

I do consider myself a professional on par with any other accredited professional. I will stand toe to toe with anyone with a doctorate when it comes the intricacies of supplying sexual services. I have over 25 years in the sex trade and it is my career. I have supported 4 daughters thru post secondary school by doing this and if there was a degree to be had for it, I would be accredited. There is not an aspect of this industry I have not researched extensively and practiced to mastery from basic human body language to nuanced sexual techniques. I have worked in every aspect of the industry and have studied the psychology of every fetish I have ever come across. I have invested tens of thousands of dollars in building my business and on average I commit over 70 hours a week to my business and have done so since I started. Am I professional? Absolutely.

Am I opposed to negotiation? No. Am I oppose to haggling? Yes. If an established client comes to me with a situation that I may be able to offer a solution to by simple time/fee adjustments then I am open to considering it. If a guest comes and wants to talk the terms concerning a retainer, I am open it it. If a man wants to discuss a half hour rate (which I don't offer) or tries to have services added on that I don't consider first meet acceptable and state so in my ads yet he insists on discussing it, that is haggling. I have no issue with the man that actually knows how to negotiate. I spent years honing my negotiating skills on both a practical level (grew up in a wrecking yard) and taking courses in effective negotiating which cost me thousands of dollars in tuition. I'm prepared to negotiate. I just not prepared to haggle and I have found that those that want to haggle are not negotiators. They are simply cheap and want something for nothing. There is a distinct difference between someone who approaches the table with a worthy offer and someone who wants to feel like that they "got one" for a deal...

cat

 

[check_mate111]

First of all, meow Cat. Its been a while since we met. I respect your opinion as you have always held up to the standard. Unfortunately, same cannot be said about other girls in the industry. Some of them ruin dates, some of them are rip off artists and yea...some of them are the so called ladies of "cerb". As much as I respect and love spending time with ya...I have personally encountered problems with other girls.

I never negotiate rates. It is what it is. I just see the women if I like them and if what they have to offer fits my requirement I never force anyone to do anything neither do I negotiate but some SPs negotiation or not will absolutely ruin the moment by ripping one off, by constant nagging or by being very withdrawen while advertising the world.

Anyway... Meow cat. Miss ya. Hopefully we can get together soon. Cheers and once again MEOW

 

[Catherine St.Claire]

Darling check_mate111,

I will never argue that all providers are professional. I know first hand the rip offs that transpire and it sickens me to the core. It's why I think there should be mandatory training and decriminialization or complete criminalization. Either way, the industry will be better off. Although I have no hand it those that conduct themselves in an unethical way, I feel shame that it happens.

The majority of men who participate in this industry try to do so in an ethical way and this thread isn't directed at them. The sad thing is that those who should be paying attention to these types of threads are usually oblivious to it or are not on the boards at all. It is the suchness of life...

cat

 

[check_mate111]

Oh sweetheart don't be ashamed of what others do. Allow me to compare this business with politics. Some people in politics want to do the right thing but majority of the politicians screw them up. Similarly, some of the SPs, like yourself, always do the right thing but most of the girls set clients up. So all of the SPs get painted by the same brush. It is wrong. SPs like yourself have earned my respect and repeat business. Its the others that ruin it for great SPs like yourselves.

Honey, take pride in the service and attitude you provide for your clients (that goes for every SP that conducts business in honesty) screw the other SPs that ruin it.

Kisses and hugs for ya cat,
Muah

 

[incendiaryberlin]

What bothers me is not necessarily the initial request to lower my rate, it's the insistence when I refuse (or the insults). You get one chance. I tell you my rate is X for the hour and you say, well what about Y instead. I say no. That's where it ends. This is not where you tell me what a fat whore I am, or tell me that so-and-so does it for that price, so I should too. Just move on. Ignoring my "no" just makes me wonder what other boundaries you'd cross if I chose to see you. It's unfortunate, but most negotiating is almost always accompanied by douchebaggery.

 

[Hotchilly]

What bothers me is not necessarily the initial request to lower my rate, it's the insistence when I refuse (or the insults). You get one chance. I tell you my rate is X for the hour and you say, well what about Y instead. I say no. That's where it ends. This is not where you tell me what a fat whore I am, or tell me that so-and-so does it for that price, so I should too. Just move on. Ignoring my "no" just makes me wonder what other boundaries you'd cross if I chose to see you. It's unfortunate, but most negotiating is almost always accompanied by douchebaggery.

I must be naive or something like it. Although I totally believe what berlin says in her post, in other words, I believe that such raw insults happen, I remain pretty amazed that a client would be so insulting, or even anything close to insulting in this circumstance.

So lets say the SP agrees after being called fat or a whore or some other insult to reduce her price and go along with the session. Is the client really going to enjoy the session after that? Does he really think the SP will be engaging? If the client's sole goal is to rent a female body with available holes for the hour (sorry for being crude here), then maybe this approach will work for him but for any other type of engagement, I think the insult approach will only get failure, even if the lower price is achieved. In business this is called "even if you win you lose".

 

[incendiaryberlin]

I must be naive or something like it. Although I totally believe what berlin says in her post, in other words, I believe that such raw insults happen, I remain pretty amazed that a client would be so insulting, or even anything close to insulting in this circumstance.

So lets say the SP agrees after being called fat or a whore or some other insult to reduce her price and go along with the session. Is the client really going to enjoy the session after that? Does he really think the SP will be engaging? If the client's sole goal is to rent a female body with available holes for the hour (sorry for being crude here), then maybe this approach will work for him but for any other type of engagement, I think the insult approach will only get failure, even if the lower price is achieved. In business this is called "even if you win you lose".

Sometimes I don't even think they're actual clients (in that they ever intend to see an escort). Sometimes I think some dudes just like to see if they can get a rise out of us. Maybe they've got nothing else to do, I don't know.

 

[massman]

Agree with much of what's been said by the girls here. Especially Cleo who said it first and best. (And based on recent experience I can personally vouch that she is worth every penny, and then some).
Haggling / negotiation over rates shows little class and taints the personal interaction that makes a good sp encounter. This biz is not like others. It is a loaded area, and very personal. And they are women, but yet those sensitivities that come with being a woman are intricately linked with the service. To put it plainly, try telling yor wife / gf that she's not worth the expensive restaurant she wants to go to but that you'll offer the mid range place down the street. NEVER tell a woman she's worth less than she believes.
And practically speaking, even if you "talk them down" how much will it be? I bet not more than 20-40 bucks. And if you can't afford those 20-40 dollars you shouldn't be hobbying, and 9/10 even if you get a "discount" I bet you will get a $40-60 reduction in service, simply because of the negative mood you have created.

 

[Kubrickfan]

I was actually enjoying the thread on the other board, but the Mod screwed it up completely by adding a poll with simple minded choices that really doesn't come close to reflecting the subtlety of a lot of the 200+ posts that preceded it. Then when people complained, he/she closed the thread. Ugggh.

I agree that bald-face negotiation is a bad idea, and shows little class. If a lady lists rates, that's the deal, plain and simple. The closest I would come to discussing rates is, if the lady doesn't mention them on her site or in her ad, and she responds to rate request with a rate quote that is above what I am willing to pay, I will simply say, "thanks for taking the time to reply, but that's more than I can afford to pay. Best wishes to you." Usually I will get no reply, but sometime I will get a reply asking me what I'm looking for.

Is that negotiation? Most on this site would would probably say no, but that's exactly what happened the last time I bought a car. :>)

 

[Cowboy Kenny]

Is that negotiation? Most on this site would would probably say no, but that's exactly what happened the last time I bought a car. :>)

It is exactly negotiation, and totally acceptable as it's the provider who at that moment decides to volley and send back the first counter offer. It's good to be confident and stick by the rates that the ladies feel their services and company is worth but confidence does not pay the bills. As a freelance contractor myself I can confidently say that It's better to make some money rather than no money at all . I negotiate my rates often and in the case of this trade so long as the provider is the one who decides for herself to lessen her fees for what ever reason she chooses then negotiating is fine.