Need to ask the hard questions

[lost-dude]

When I search Leolist, I set a minimum age of 30. Firstly because I prefer older women, but secondly because I don't EVER want to be even CLOSE to underage, or trafficked. Not saying a 45 year old can't be trafficked, but probably less likely. I also try to figure out if it is some kind of 'operation'. meaning a place with multiple women, pimps etc. Obviously to stay away.
2) NO
3) In relationship
4) LOL, $10,400? I am more than double that, I bet triple is about right actually. So, the key thing is to be have a high income. Then hide the hobby costs well. There are ways.
5) Well, why are YOU here? There's your answer.

May I ask what you do for a living? I'm open to switching careers because I'd love to be as wealthy as you where you can afford $30K+ on escorts per year.

As for #5 ... I fit the "hideous and have the charisma of a dead rat" crowd, so a girlfriend is essentially not possible for me.

 

[Cookie.Monster]

As for #5 ... I fit the "hideous and have the charisma of a dead rat" crowd, so a girlfriend is essentially not possible for me.

Brother, since you think you are at rock bottom [in terms of looks and charisma], you can easily improve. There’s personal trainers to help you get in better shape, improv classes to help with your conversation skills and even plastic surgery. Think about it, so many girls now have the highly desired hourglass figure after getting the Brazilian Butt Lift. Before the surgery these girls had the body shape of a soup can. Yes, a lot of girls have gone to comic book proportions. But if they had tamed there changes, they would have easily become DDG. Instead they are just fun fuck dolls with a short shelf life.

If you really want to get a girlfriend, just come up with a self improvement plan and execute it. And based on your end goal [of self improvement], aim for a reasonable girl that fits your new sexual market value. Just stay away from single mothers. They may be easier to catch, but they’re too much of liability long term. And stay off online dating sites. That game is rigged.

Think positive. We men live for projects. It’s what we do.

 

[ott-mar]

1. legal trouble? No, not really. Cops have better shit to do and I'm not interested in the kind of stuff that they will get involved in.
2. friends, families, know? Not a chance, if they did and they asked I'd give them the same answer I give you in #5
3. Relationship status? Not really anybody's business, but suffice to say everyone from virgins to people who married their high school sweetheart are represented on this board, and the hobby in general. All ages, all types.
4. How do you manage the expenses? Do you ever go out and buy yourself a video game, or a nice dinner, or a bottle of wine? Set aside a budget for what you want, and don't overspend. Suffice to say I'm not hobbying once a week, but I could afford it if I did - so having money helps.
5. Why? Me personally? It's fun. I meet girls that I wouldn't otherwise meet without doing things I don't want to do. Same reason people pay for the fast pass when they go to an amusement park.

5B when you could fuck a girlfriend/wife for free. Meeting them isn't free, you have to go to clubs, pretend to be interested in their hobbies, or their friends... get dressed up to impress and end up with some moron's drink and the smell of cigarettes all over your nice clothes.. or deal with the idiot nightmare that is dating sites. It is possible to find a really great partner, but that doesn't mean it's free.

5C lonely and too ugly/uninteresting yeah maybe some

5D emotional investment needed to have free-sex isn't worth it- it's probably easier to compare with masturbation. Sometimes you don't want to fuck, you just want to have fun / get off without the emotional investment, or the need to get somebody in the mood. I don't think that means you're damaged.

 

[massman]

As someone who is very, very, very new to this whole part of the internet I can't help but have questions on my mind. I hope I can ask them without breaking some unspoken rule.

1. Are you ever worried about legal trouble?

2. Do your friends, families, know about this?

3. Are you guys single or in relationships?

4. How do you manage the expenses? For instance, let's assume a guy with a girlfriend has sex once a week (very modest assumption). To meet the same volume of sex, you'd need to have 52 appointments per year and if each appointment is $200 that is $10,400 per year to have sex.

5. The most important question. Why do you guys hire escorts, when you could fuck a girlfriend/wife for free? I guess everyone gets into this community for a different reason. Some guys have so much money and not much to do with it. Other guys are lonely and too ugly/uninteresting for regular dating so they have to pay. Other guys went through a nasty divorce and think the emotional investment needed to have free-sex isn't worth it so they pay instead. I'm curious as to what your reasons are if you're okay sharing.

1. No. Stay away from underage, hi likelihood of trafficking scenarios. There are millions of posts here about every conceivable aspect of this hobby, I can only recall a couple dealing with legal consequences.
2. No, and they never will. Are u crazy?
3. Numerous surveys here have shown ~50% to a slight majority are married/ attached.
4. Have self control. If you can’t afford or can’t hide a weekly expense, do it less often.
5. For those that have a wife/ gf it’s not always the case that frequent good sex is available, at least of the quantity and quality that is enough to satisfy. Some guys in relationship hobby because they are in a sexless marriage, some want variety, some are sex addicts. For the unattached most are aware of the fact that a relationship is no guarantee of a great sex life. Some aren’t great at attracting women. Some don’t want the hassle of being attached and value their independence.

 

[barnacler]

May I ask what you do for a living? I'm open to switching careers because I'd love to be as wealthy as you where you can afford $30K+ on escorts per year.

As for #5 ... I fit the "hideous and have the charisma of a dead rat" crowd, so a girlfriend is essentially not possible for me.

You can change your wealth with effort, definitely charisma/confidence can be learned - just RELAX! - and in terms of appearance, there are 3 elements - face/height, conditioning, and clothes/hair etc.

You can't change your height or basic body shape (by that I mean ectomorph, mesomorph etc) , but the others you definitely can.

I am self-employed.

 

[lost-dude]

You can change your wealth with effort, definitely charisma/confidence can be learned - just RELAX! - and in terms of appearance, there are 3 elements - face/height, conditioning, and clothes/hair etc.

I agree. But this stuff takes a great deal of time. It can take a year of consisten gym+diet to look good. And buildin wealth? There's degrees, interviews, jobs, promotions, etc.

I'm already 27 and the idea of not going on a date until I'm 30 makes me want to jump off a bridge.

 

[Pleasure Hound]

1. Are you ever worried about legal trouble?

- Early on, yes. That disappeared quickly when I realized how many amazing women were out there are were not being hassled by police. These women are much more worried about creeps than the police.....

2. Do your friends, families, know about this?

- God, no. I like being anonymous because nobody cares what I do and don't do.

3. Are you guys single or in relationships?

- Relationship. She knows about it. As long as I pay attention to her sometimes, she does not mind me having fun outside.....
- I have no children and I am so glad about that......

4. How do you manage the expenses? For instance, let's assume a guy with a girlfriend has sex once a week (very modest assumption). To meet the same volume of sex, you'd need to have 52 appointments per year and if each appointment is $200 that is $10,400 per year to have sex.

- I make a six-figure salary. I have the luxury of fucking amazing women of many ages (between 20 and 40) and I get to choose who I fuck. How can my life get any better than that?
- There is a time in life when a man asks himself, "Why am I saving all this money if not to have some fun with it?" Once you die, you no longer have any options......
- I am actually proud that I help fund these women's expenses, which can be quite expensive on a good day.
- I love treating women well. I try to pleasure every woman who I see. They get that AND they get paid......
- $10,400 seems a little low. It's not only about the sex but about the passion and the ability to meet so many beautiful women.

5. The most important question. Why do you guys hire escorts, when you could fuck a girlfriend/wife for free? I guess everyone gets into this community for a different reason. Some guys have so much money and not much to do with it. Other guys are lonely and too ugly/uninteresting for regular dating so they have to pay. Other guys went through a nasty divorce and think the emotional investment needed to have free-sex isn't worth it so they pay instead. I'm curious as to what your reasons are if you're okay sharing.

- No woman fucks for free. They might think that they do, but there is always a price tag on that Magic-V. The price might be your time, expensive dinners and presents, helping her relatives, etc. etc. etc. I am not saying that there is a problem with that but at least be honest about it. The great thing about escorts is that you pay for time and pay to not waste my time. Some escorts love to talk and I love to listen, but not for hours on end. When the clock hits one hour, the session ends, whether it is sex or talking.....that is the deal.....
- There are some amazing couples with amazing stories about passionate relationships. Fantastic. Most are not like that. Variety is amazing and that cannot be realized by a single person. We all fall into ruts and habits over time. Women included. I pay for something new and to discover new curves and desires. Sometimes I get them and sometimes I don't. That's the amazing discovery and exploration with each SP......With each new SP, I have no idea if I can get her off or not. Just finding out is amazing. To make a woman squirt and make her eyes roll int her head, when you are not expecting it, is just so rewarding......

Right now, my biggest worry is Covid and MonkeyPox. However, the numbers in Canada are low when compared with the US. Once I am vaccinated (again), I will be able to explore lovely women again.....

 

[xix]

I agree. But this stuff takes a great deal of time. It can take a year of consisten gym+diet to look good. And buildin wealth? There's degrees, interviews, jobs, promotions, etc.

I'm already 27 and the idea of not going on a date until I'm 30 makes me want to jump off a bridge.

What??? Not going a date till your 30????
Dude you can go dates with civis and not get involved. Just go for 2 dates don't have sex - intimacy with them, and make them pay their own drink / food. IF they refuse just walk away.
Make them go /pay Dutch. This is what I told a woman if she wanted to get married. The Arrogant clown never thanked me for the advice and she is entering 20 yr + marriage. Hence why I didn't want to touch her.

Just date on a New Moon and pay for sex at all other moon phases. But remember after 35 their SMV goes down.

Better yet follow this Hot and Crazy Matrix Part 2 and Part 1 see part 1 first.

 

[Sinfulmarv]

1. Are you ever worried about legal trouble?

Not really. The risk is relatively low.

Law enforcement lack the capacity to actively combat "demand." They focus on problem neighborhoods that receive a lot of complaints, typically street level prostitution. It seems like every several years, the police will do a sting operations.

Every once in a while they will go after brothel keepers and immigrant workers, typically Asian, as these operations are framed as "human trafficking." Cracking down on human trafficking wins police and local politicians brownie points.

For the most part, law enforcement aren't busting consenting adults. It's not a good use of limited resources.

2. Do your friends, families, know about this?

No.

3. Are you guys single or in relationships?

Unmarried but date off and on.

4. How do you manage the expenses? For instance, let's assume a guy with a girlfriend has sex once a week (very modest assumption). To meet the same volume of sex, you'd need to have 52 appointments per year and if each appointment is $200 that is $10,400 per year to have sex.

I'm a high income earner.

5. The most important question. Why do you guys hire escorts, when you could fuck a girlfriend/wife for free? I guess everyone gets into this community for a different reason. Some guys have so much money and not much to do with it. Other guys are lonely and too ugly/uninteresting for regular dating so they have to pay. Other guys went through a nasty divorce and think the emotional investment needed to have free-sex isn't worth it so they pay instead. I'm curious as to what your reasons are if you're okay sharing.

A relationship requires time, financial investment, and emotional labour.

When social life slows down and people settle down with age, it gets harder to meet single and available people on a regular basis, so finding women to have sex with takes concerted effort. This can be challenging for working professionals.

I've gone on a number of dates over the years to find that I'm simply not interested, and I'm also not interested in misleading women for sex.

For $200-$400, I can have a tryst with an attractive young woman with sexual prowess.

 

[lost-dude]

What??? Not going a date till your 30????
Dude you can go dates with civis and not get involved. Just go for 2 dates don't have sex - intimacy with them, and make them pay their own drink / food. IF they refuse just walk away.
Make them go /pay Dutch. This is what I told a woman if she wanted to get married. The Arrogant clown never thanked me for the advice and she is entering 20 yr + marriage. Hence why I didn't want to touch her.

Just date on a New Moon and pay for sex at all other moon phases. But remember after 35 their SMV goes down.

Better yet follow this Hot and Crazy Matrix Part 2 and Part 1 see part 1 first.

I think you've misunderstood my post. It's not the money or commitment I'm worried about. It's the fact I don't know how to get a date, and for the most part I've been led to believe I'm too ugly to date. 'Disqualified' from the market.

That's why the other guy started talking about getting fit/rich/etc. and I said putting on muslce and increasing my salary is going to be another 3 years at least.

 

[Adam_hadam]

Free sex? LMAO!!!!!!!!!!

Free sex is the pud pull after no dinner and no drinks.

 

[JaimeWolf]

As someone who is very, very, very new to this whole part of the internet I can't help but have questions on my mind. I hope I can ask them without breaking some unspoken rule.

1. Are you ever worried about legal trouble?

2. Do your friends, families, know about this?

3. Are you guys single or in relationships?

4. How do you manage the expenses? For instance, let's assume a guy with a girlfriend has sex once a week (very modest assumption). To meet the same volume of sex, you'd need to have 52 appointments per year and if each appointment is $200 that is $10,400 per year to have sex.

5. The most important question. Why do you guys hire escorts, when you could fuck a girlfriend/wife for free? I guess everyone gets into this community for a different reason. Some guys have so much money and not much to do with it. Other guys are lonely and too ugly/uninteresting for regular dating so they have to pay. Other guys went through a nasty divorce and think the emotional investment needed to have free-sex isn't worth it so they pay instead. I'm curious as to what your reasons are if you're okay sharing.

Regarding 4 & 5, from the other thread:

 

[Kracker]

FWIW this hobby might give you more confidence w civvies, just go easy on the wallet by spacing it out and just doing half hours w non-VIPs. Most of getting laid at your age is confidence, and you need some. Also no real change re body, money etc happens overnight, but if you never start nothing happens. Start.

As for your questions, your calculations aren’t far off.

IF you can find a hot civilian girl who’s crazy about you and wants to lick your balls, enjoys being slapped and gulping down your jizz, and will do it all whenever you like, you don’t need this hobby.

You’ll have to look elsewhere for those guys though.

 

[xix]

I think you've misunderstood my post. It's not the money or commitment I'm worried about. It's the fact I don't know how to get a date, and for the most part I've been led to believe I'm too ugly to date. 'Disqualified' from the market.

That's why the other guy started talking about getting fit/rich/etc. and I said putting on muslce and increasing my salary is going to be another 3 years at least.

Oh You can't get dates with civis?

Well what have you actually tried? There are men here who at 40 didn't date a civis and wished they had started in their 28's. If you are shy , try to overcome your flaws quickly. All the best. There are many advices given here since the inception of Terb. Search them.

I gave you some starter points with those links.

 

[superman12]

As someone who is very, very, very new to this whole part of the internet I can't help but have questions on my mind. I hope I can ask them without breaking some unspoken rule.

1. Are you ever worried about legal trouble?

2. Do your friends, families, know about this?

3. Are you guys single or in relationships?

4. How do you manage the expenses? For instance, let's assume a guy with a girlfriend has sex once a week (very modest assumption). To meet the same volume of sex, you'd need to have 52 appointments per year and if each appointment is $200 that is $10,400 per year to have sex.

5. The most important question. Why do you guys hire escorts, when you could fuck a girlfriend/wife for free? I guess everyone gets into this community for a different reason. Some guys have so much money and not much to do with it. Other guys are lonely and too ugly/uninteresting for regular dating so they have to pay. Other guys went through a nasty divorce and think the emotional investment needed to have free-sex isn't worth it so they pay instead. I'm curious as to what your reasons are if you're okay sharing.

1.Never been worried since i only book with reputable indies and agencies and never go close to anything that i think mat be suspicious. At the end of the day when your with an escort it really is only 2 consenting adults fucking. No different then hooking up with a girl on tinder, taking her out to dinner, spoiling her with a few gifts and you end up fucking. Cops hopefully have more important things to worry about.

2.No one knows and i intend to keep it that way until i die. This is my dirty little secret that noone needs to know about. Be smart and vigilant so you dont get caught and if anyone accuses you partaking in this hobby always deny.

3. Married. Most guys on here are probably in a relationship as well or have a SO.

4. I dont worry about finances since i am a high income earner and i can afford to partake in this hobby as much or as little as i want without affecting my family or my ability to provide for them. In my peak hobbying days i could easily spend 50k a year on escorts but it didnt affect me one bit because i was able to and still can afford it. Stay within your means financially and i always say that this hobby is not for low income earners unfortunately. This hobby can get addictive and if your not careful it can very easily drain your bank account and if your a low income earner this can have dire life changing consequences.

5. I see escorts because i love the variety and i love the fact that i can have sex with a beautiful young women thats probably half my age which in my civilan life i would probably have no chance with. Escorts are also alot more slutty in the bedroom compared to regular civie girls so there always alot more open minded to trying things. Alot of escorts are actual nymphos who just really love sex. Its true that i could probably fuck my wife for free and its true that pussy is pussy at the end of the day but the thrill i get from fucking girls who are beautiful and have well maintained bodies is something that gives me excitement in life. There is no other feeling like a hot 23 year old thats comoletely naked on her knees sucking your dick looking up at you with her beautiful eyes.

 

[Wanderer09]

1.Never been worried since i only book with reputable indies and agencies and never go close to anything that i think mat be suspicious. At the end of the day when your with an escort it really is only 2 consenting adults fucking. No different then hooking up with a girl on tinder, taking her out to dinner, spoiling her with a few gifts and you end up fucking. Cops hopefully have more important things to worry about.

2.No one knows and i intend to keep it that way until i die. This is my dirty little secret that noone needs to know about. Be smart and vigilant so you dont get caught and if anyone accuses you partaking in this hobby always deny.

3. Married. Most guys on here are probably in a relationship as well or have a SO.

4. I dont worry about finances since i am a high income earner and i can afford to partake in this hobby as much or as little as i want without affecting my family or my ability to provide for them. In my peak hobbying days i could easily spend 50k a year on escorts but it didnt affect me one bit because i was able to and still can afford it. Stay within your means financially and i always say that this hobby is not for low income earners unfortunately. This hobby can get addictive and if your not careful it can very easily drain your bank account and if your a low income earner this can have dire life changing consequences.

5. I see escorts because i love the variety and i love the fact that i can have sex with a beautiful young women thats probably half my age which in my civilan life i would probably have no chance with. Escorts are also alot more slutty in the bedroom compared to regular civie girls so there always alot more open minded to trying things. Alot of escorts are actual nymphos who just really love sex. Its true that i could probably fuck my wife for free and its true that pussy is pussy at the end of the day but the thrill i get from fucking girls who are beautiful and have well maintained bodies is something that gives me excitement in life. There is no other feeling like a hot 23 year old thats comoletely naked on her knees sucking your dick looking up at you with her beautiful eyes.

50K a year ..damn.

 

[LTO_3]

As someone who is very, very, very new to this whole part of the internet I can't help but have questions on my mind. I hope I can ask them without breaking some unspoken rule.

1. Are you ever worried about legal trouble?

2. Do your friends, families, know about this?

3. Are you guys single or in relationships?

4. How do you manage the expenses? For instance, let's assume a guy with a girlfriend has sex once a week (very modest assumption). To meet the same volume of sex, you'd need to have 52 appointments per year and if each appointment is $200 that is $10,400 per year to have sex.

5. The most important question. Why do you guys hire escorts, when you could fuck a girlfriend/wife for free? I guess everyone gets into this community for a different reason. Some guys have so much money and not much to do with it. Other guys are lonely and too ugly/uninteresting for regular dating so they have to pay. Other guys went through a nasty divorce and think the emotional investment needed to have free-sex isn't worth it so they pay instead. I'm curious as to what your reasons are if you're okay sharing.

1. Never. As long as you're seeing someone of legal age and reputable, indy or agency, you'll be okay.
2. No, although 3 people wouldn't be surprised
3. Single or not isn't relevant but most are usually married.
4. Managing expenses is easy. Always take care of all home expenses first and any remaining cash can go towards playtime.
5. For the variety they provide. And when I make a "connection" with some of them, seeing them again gets (a lot) better. And I don't pay them to be there, I pay them to leave when we're done.

LTO_3

 

[lost-dude]

1.Never been worried since i only book with reputable indies and agencies and never go close to anything that i think mat be suspicious. At the end of the day when your with an escort it really is only 2 consenting adults fucking. No different then hooking up with a girl on tinder, taking her out to dinner, spoiling her with a few gifts and you end up fucking. Cops hopefully have more important things to worry about.

2.No one knows and i intend to keep it that way until i die. This is my dirty little secret that noone needs to know about. Be smart and vigilant so you dont get caught and if anyone accuses you partaking in this hobby always deny.

3. Married. Most guys on here are probably in a relationship as well or have a SO.

4. I dont worry about finances since i am a high income earner and i can afford to partake in this hobby as much or as little as i want without affecting my family or my ability to provide for them. In my peak hobbying days i could easily spend 50k a year on escorts but it didnt affect me one bit because i was able to and still can afford it. Stay within your means financially and i always say that this hobby is not for low income earners unfortunately. This hobby can get addictive and if your not careful it can very easily drain your bank account and if your a low income earner this can have dire life changing consequences.

5. I see escorts because i love the variety and i love the fact that i can have sex with a beautiful young women thats probably half my age which in my civilan life i would probably have no chance with. Escorts are also alot more slutty in the bedroom compared to regular civie girls so there always alot more open minded to trying things. Alot of escorts are actual nymphos who just really love sex. Its true that i could probably fuck my wife for free and its true that pussy is pussy at the end of the day but the thrill i get from fucking girls who are beautiful and have well maintained bodies is something that gives me excitement in life. There is no other feeling like a hot 23 year old thats comoletely naked on her knees sucking your dick looking up at you with her beautiful eyes.

What do you do for a living?

 

[y2kmark]

Even when I had an FWB (divorced with kids), and though we were seeing each other way back in the mid-1980's, we had a discussion about it. She said that she would feel "cheap and used" if it was only sex, without at least dinner or a movie first. With me paying of course. Old school thinking maybe....

Learned at an early age - if it's got tits or wheels it's bound to cost you money...

 

[Charlie_]

1. No.
2. No.
3. I'm married
4. I earn more than 100k/year, so spending 10k on sex is affordable.
5. I like fucking new pussy every week.