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NDP And Bloc Are Backing Trudeau, No Snap Election.

Frankfooter

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What's actually funny is the 90's Liberals ran on the idea of fiscal responsibility, Just like Poilievre is doing and opposite to Trudeau.
PeePee spends more than any other politician.
He'll be as fiscally responsible as DoFo.

He'll give big contracts to insiders, give away public assets, cut services then cut revenue even more and like DoFo, leave a massive hole in the budget.
 
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Skoob

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Bring what home? Pee Pee has not spelled out anything, just empty promises.
Let us remember that in the previous decade, Harper ruined the Canadian Economy, by inheriting a Healthy Economy with a surplus, and then leaving office a decade later with an economy still in a deep recession. Of course the righties will never accept that fact!!
Harper reference right on queue!
Every time.
Without fail.

You need help.
 

Valcazar

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In a recent poll (I forgot which one) %47 of Canadians who are voting Conservative, not because they like PeePee but because they are tired of Trudeau.
Which sounds about right.
The 10-year time limit and the fact Trudeau isn't some kind of generational talent lines up.

The problem is - as always - that when you reach the "tired of this guy" phase you need to look at what the likely replacement actually wants to do.
 

bver_hunter

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I was never proven wrong. Just because you believe 1+1=3 doesn't make you correct.

I'll destroy your whole argument right now. Where are all the new rental units? Boom, you're done. It's a supply shortage issue.
When did I ever say that 1+1 = 3? DesRicardo usual bullshit allegations that he is fixated on!!
You will never destroy anyones arguments, especially when you make the allegations that those purchasing houses as an investment, are the only reason that the houses are being built.
Look at the Province of BC that had to introduce Vacancy taxes for the number of empty properties that were purchased by both Local residents as well as foreigners:


One reason why they have the highest prices for housing in Canada, though it has started to ease after the tax was implemented!!
 

DesRicardo

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When did I ever say that 1+1 = 3? DesRicardo usual bullshit allegations that he is fixated on!!
You will never destroy anyones arguments, especially when you make the allegations that those purchasing houses as an investment, are the only reason that the houses are being built.
Look at the Province of BC that had to introduce Vacancy taxes for the number of empty properties that were purchased by both Local residents as well as foreigners:


One reason why they have the highest prices for housing in Canada, though it has started to ease after the tax was implemented!!
You didn't answer my question. People don't purchase apartments they rent them, so where is the new construction for rental units? Why is rent going up?
 

bver_hunter

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You didn't answer my question. People don't purchase apartments they rent them, so where is the new construction for rental units? Why is rent going up?
You cannot comprehend that the root cause of high house and condo prices was mainly due to the purchasing of these properties by investors in the past.
Now the condo prices are still unaffordable as those wanting to purchase them do not have the 20% of deposits to put down on the purchase price of the condos.
These greedy landlord / investors are now milking the people who need a roof over their head with increasing the rental prices. Maybe now you get it!!

Now answer a question as to why was the BC Govt. forced to introduce the Vacancy Tax on those empty properties?
Why are the house prices at such heights when these properties were empty?
 

bver_hunter

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Now even the top Conservative advisors to Stephen Harper agree that Pee Pee is all talk about "Axing The Tax". When and if the time comes and he is now in charge then there is no way that he will implement his deep hollow promises.:

Ivison: Poilievre won’t axe all of the carbon tax, ex-Harper adviser predicts
'I just don't see any government in any future getting rid of that, Conservative, Liberal or New Democrat,' Ken Boessenkool said. 'The question is: will it continue to get more stringent?'

This week, John Ivison is joined by veteran economist and strategist Ken Boessenkool, who was a senior adviser to Stephen Harper and a former chief of staff to B.C. premier Christy Clark.
Boessenkool is part of a group called Conservatives for Clean Growth, who are pushing the idea that climate policy matters and that any credible election platform needs a carbon plan. Ivison asked whether a Pierre Poilievre government would keep the industrial emitters carbon tax that covers the majority of Canada’s emissions, even if it kills the consumer tax.
“Look, there’s a huge gap between what Conservatives say and what Conservatives do. And I hate to admit this, but it’s true. Jason Kenney ran on ‘Axe The Tax’ and he beefed up the industrial carbon price in Alberta. Danielle Smith ran on ‘Axe to Tax’ and she not only beefed up the industrial carbon price in Alberta, she said she was going to go to $170 (a tonne). She committed to doing that. And as you mentioned, that’s the heavy lifting,” he said.
Boessenkool noted that one Quebec newspaper reported that a Poilievre government would kill the large emitter tax, and within an hour the Opposition leader’s office sent out a correction saying “that’s not what he said.”
“In Alberta, 70 per cent of emissions are subject to a carbon price on the industrial side. And I just don’t see any government in any future getting rid of that — Conservative, Liberal or New Democrat,” he said. “The question is: will it continue to get more stringent? Will it continue to get tighter? And I think the answer to that question is almost certainly, yes. If Danielle Smith’s gonna promise to go to $170, I think other prime ministers and premiers (will follow)…There will continue to be public pressure to do something about climate change,” he said.
Ivison asked if the Liberals’ byelection defeat in Montreal on Monday, on top of an earlier loss in downtown Toronto in June, meant the governing party is no longer competitive in Canada’s big cities.
“Well look, their numbers were bad last week, their numbers are bad this week, and I expect their numbers will be be bad next week. So, it’s a continuation of bad news. But on the flip side, (Christy Clark) was 22 points behind in the polls when I was there, and she won the next election. Now, she was a new leader, so maybe there’s something there, but it’s not a foregone conclusion. Justin Trudeau is a formidable campaigner and if I were Pierre Poilievre, I wouldn’t be putting any of my tools down, that’s for sure,” he said.
The problem for Trudeau is the length of time he’s been in power, Boessenkool said.
“When I talk to Liberals these days, I get flashbacks to 2014, when we convinced ourselves that Stephen Harper might be able to win the next election. And, you know, I still think he could have won that election. But nine, 10 years is sort of the useful life of a government these days. And these guys are getting close.

 

DesRicardo

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You cannot comprehend that the root cause of high house and condo prices was mainly due to the purchasing of these properties by investors in the past.
Now the condo prices are still unaffordable as those wanting to purchase them do not have the 20% of deposits to put down on the purchase price of the condos.
These greedy landlord / investors are now milking the people who need a roof over their head with increasing the rental prices. Maybe now you get it!!

Now answer a question as to why was the BC Govt. forced to introduce the Vacancy Tax on those empty properties?
Why are the house prices at such heights when these properties were empty?
You are illiterate. You don't make any sense. I ask you about rental housing, you respond by ranting about property investment.

You understand that not every living unit has to be a purchased property. Right?

Now why did the BC Gov create a Vac Tax? Because they're NDP crooks, they want tax revenue. They know irrational people like yourself will support this, so they implement these inflationary taxes that only serve the interest of the bloated government and their programs.

Who do you think is going to buy the property if the investor sells? Another fucking investor.
 

Insidious Von

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By now the carbon tax should be a non-starter, 40 nations have one including the G7. If PP axed the tax he'll align with Russia, China and North Korea.

However the tax structure needs to be reformed, at the moment it's only billionaires who benefit from it. I shouldn't be paying more in taxes than Galen Weston.

 
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Now even the top Conservative advisors to Stephen Harper agree that Pee Pee is all talk about "Axing The Tax". When and if the time comes and he is now in charge then there is no way that he will implement his deep hollow promises.:

Ivison: Poilievre won’t axe all of the carbon tax, ex-Harper adviser predicts
'I just don't see any government in any future getting rid of that, Conservative, Liberal or New Democrat,' Ken Boessenkool said. 'The question is: will it continue to get more stringent?'

This week, John Ivison is joined by veteran economist and strategist Ken Boessenkool, who was a senior adviser to Stephen Harper and a former chief of staff to B.C. premier Christy Clark.
Boessenkool is part of a group called Conservatives for Clean Growth, who are pushing the idea that climate policy matters and that any credible election platform needs a carbon plan. Ivison asked whether a Pierre Poilievre government would keep the industrial emitters carbon tax that covers the majority of Canada’s emissions, even if it kills the consumer tax.
“Look, there’s a huge gap between what Conservatives say and what Conservatives do. And I hate to admit this, but it’s true. Jason Kenney ran on ‘Axe The Tax’ and he beefed up the industrial carbon price in Alberta. Danielle Smith ran on ‘Axe to Tax’ and she not only beefed up the industrial carbon price in Alberta, she said she was going to go to $170 (a tonne). She committed to doing that. And as you mentioned, that’s the heavy lifting,” he said.
Boessenkool noted that one Quebec newspaper reported that a Poilievre government would kill the large emitter tax, and within an hour the Opposition leader’s office sent out a correction saying “that’s not what he said.”
“In Alberta, 70 per cent of emissions are subject to a carbon price on the industrial side. And I just don’t see any government in any future getting rid of that — Conservative, Liberal or New Democrat,” he said. “The question is: will it continue to get more stringent? Will it continue to get tighter? And I think the answer to that question is almost certainly, yes. If Danielle Smith’s gonna promise to go to $170, I think other prime ministers and premiers (will follow)…There will continue to be public pressure to do something about climate change,” he said.
Ivison asked if the Liberals’ byelection defeat in Montreal on Monday, on top of an earlier loss in downtown Toronto in June, meant the governing party is no longer competitive in Canada’s big cities.
“Well look, their numbers were bad last week, their numbers are bad this week, and I expect their numbers will be be bad next week. So, it’s a continuation of bad news. But on the flip side, (Christy Clark) was 22 points behind in the polls when I was there, and she won the next election. Now, she was a new leader, so maybe there’s something there, but it’s not a foregone conclusion. Justin Trudeau is a formidable campaigner and if I were Pierre Poilievre, I wouldn’t be putting any of my tools down, that’s for sure,” he said.
The problem for Trudeau is the length of time he’s been in power, Boessenkool said.
“When I talk to Liberals these days, I get flashbacks to 2014, when we convinced ourselves that Stephen Harper might be able to win the next election. And, you know, I still think he could have won that election. But nine, 10 years is sort of the useful life of a government these days. And these guys are getting close.

This coming from the National Post a center-right news source.
 

Insidious Von

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There won't be an election in Canada until the American Election is resolved. Party leaders want to find out how bloody the post election will be if Trump loses.

 
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Frankfooter

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You are illiterate. You don't make any sense. I ask you about rental housing, you respond by ranting about property investment.

You understand that not every living unit has to be a purchased property. Right?

Now why did the BC Gov create a Vac Tax? Because they're NDP crooks, they want tax revenue. They know irrational people like yourself will support this, so they implement these inflationary taxes that only serve the interest of the bloated government and their programs.

Who do you think is going to buy the property if the investor sells? Another fucking investor.
Nobody is building anything in Ontario right now.
Not rental and not housing.

The market if filled with micro condos nobody wants or can afford. DoFo killed rent control and added 200,000 homeless to Ontario.
 
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Skoob

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He doesn't answer questions, he sidesteps, slings propaganda, quotes irrelevant media sources and points the finger when confronted. Remind you of anyone?
...and don't forget...blames Harper for everything even though it's been a decade since he was PM.

Try it...ask him a question or make a comment about Trudeau...you can prove Pavlov's Dog Theory immediately.
 

bver_hunter

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You are illiterate. You don't make any sense. I ask you about rental housing, you respond by ranting about property investment.

You understand that not every living unit has to be a purchased property. Right?

Now why did the BC Gov create a Vac Tax? Because they're NDP crooks, they want tax revenue. They know irrational people like yourself will support this, so they implement these inflationary taxes that only serve the interest of the bloated government and their programs.

Who do you think is going to buy the property if the investor sells? Another fucking investor.
You are the illiterate one that cannot either read or comprehend that both house prices and rentals were addressed in that response!!
There are also condos being designed for rentals that were built such as the Tridel ones. but when we are discussing general house prices, this is where the likes of Pee Pee and his wife have purchased multiple ones just as investments. Your train of thought is just too narrow minded!!

But there you go designating the NDP as "crooks" especially when it was clear and obvious that several properties in BC were left empty as they were being used as investments.
You are also putting your foot in your mouth to agree that investors are using these properties just like their buy and sell shares. You scored an own goal there!!
 

bver_hunter

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This coming from the National Post a center-right news source.
Absolutely correct, and that is why Pee Pee is full of empty promises, with no real substance as to how he intends to fulfill them!!
 

DesRicardo

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You are the illiterate one that cannot either read or comprehend that both house prices and rentals were addressed in that response!!
There are also condos being designed for rentals that were built such as the Tridel ones. but when we are discussing general house prices, this is where the likes of Pee Pee and his wife have purchased multiple ones just as investments. Your train of thought is just too narrow minded!!

But there you go designating the NDP as "crooks" especially when it was clear and obvious that several properties in BC were left empty as they were being used as investments.
You are also putting your foot in your mouth to agree that investors are using these properties just like their buy and sell shares. You scored an own goal there!!
No, like everyone is pointing out, you avoid answering because you are being proven wrong. If you can't afford to buy a house, then you should for sure be able to rent. Correct? So where are the affordable rental units? They are not being built to meet demand causing inflation.

We don't build enough living units. PERIOD. It's a supply side issue. You can complain and tax the "investors" all you want, it doesn't magically create new housing.

And that's why the NDP are crooks that cater to illiterate people like yourself. These wacky ideas of "I'm gonna tax people richer than you and it will all work out." makes no sense. How does that accommodate the living situation of hundreds of thousands of newcomers in Canada? It doesn't, but it does make sure they have funds to create safe supply for drug users.

So it's you that has the narrow mind, because if we built homes to meet demand, "Investors" (many are not even rich) would actually lose money on their investment.
 

bver_hunter

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No, like everyone is pointing out, you avoid answering because you are being proven wrong. If you can't afford to buy a house, then you should for sure be able to rent. Correct? So where are the affordable rental units? They are not being built to meet demand causing inflation.

We don't build enough living units. PERIOD. It's a supply side issue. You can complain and tax the "investors" all you want, it doesn't magically create new housing.

And that's why the NDP are crooks that cater to illiterate people like yourself. These wacky ideas of "I'm gonna tax people richer than you and it will all work out." makes no sense. How does that accommodate the living situation of hundreds of thousands of newcomers in Canada? It doesn't, but it does make sure they have funds to create safe supply for drug users.

So it's you that has the narrow mind, because if we built homes to meet demand, "Investors" (many are not even rich) would actually lose money on their investment.
Again I answered that question umpteen times and posted a link as to one of the major causes of record house prices, that you refuse to acknowledge. Typical rightie logic!!
One of the root causes in Provinces like BC is the number of properties that were purchased and left empty to flip over as investments, hence depriving those wanting to purchase their first property due to the rising prices. This was a result of using it as an investment that you yourself agreed and now trying to deflect to rentals!!

Now that most of these individuals have to rent as a result of the cost, these greedy landlords are evicting their existing tenants just to add. some cosmetic touches to their renovations in order to jack up the prices. Yet you blame the NDP Govt. that tried to address these facts with at least putting a vacancy tax that in some ways is addressing the issue. You are the narrow minded one that cannot comprehend this simple fact!!!
 

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Again I answered that question umpteen times and posted a link as to one of the major causes of record house prices, that you refuse to acknowledge. Typical rightie logic!!
One of the root causes in Provinces like BC is the number of properties that were purchased and left empty to flip over as investments, hence depriving those wanting to purchase their first property due to the rising prices. This was a result of using it as an investment that you yourself agreed and now trying to deflect to rentals!!

Now that most of these individuals have to rent as a result of the cost, these greedy landlords are evicting their existing tenants just to add. some cosmetic touches to their renovations in order to jack up the prices. Yet you blame the NDP Govt. that tried to address these facts with at least putting a vacancy tax that in some ways is addressing the issue. You are the narrow minded one that cannot comprehend this simple fact!!!
Useless arguing with the right wingers. They are mostly clueless and we can see how they resort to abuses and name calling.
 

pavel bure

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No, like everyone is pointing out, you avoid answering because you are being proven wrong. If you can't afford to buy a house, then you should for sure be able to rent. Correct? So where are the affordable rental units? They are not being built to meet demand causing inflation.

We don't build enough living units. PERIOD. It's a supply side issue. You can complain and tax the "investors" all you want, it doesn't magically create new housing.

And that's why the NDP are crooks that cater to illiterate people like yourself. These wacky ideas of "I'm gonna tax people richer than you and it will all work out." makes no sense. How does that accommodate the living situation of hundreds of thousands of newcomers in Canada? It doesn't, but it does make sure they have funds to create safe supply for drug users.

So it's you that has the narrow mind, because if we built homes to meet demand, "Investors" (many are not even rich) would actually lose money on their investment.
Investors like Pierre Poilievre's use of multiple properties as investments is one of the reasons that have also raised the house prices.
Condos were being flipped at the construction stage raising the eventual prices.

 
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