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Skoob

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It was verified and debunked already.
It was fact checked to his face and he still couldn't just admit it.
Stop lying.
No it wasn't. Prior to the rally no one knew anything about it or heard anything about it. It was only after he made the comments that everyone rushed to verify the story. Then it was fact checked.
When he was asked about later he said he was just commenting on what he had heard from a constituent who made the claim publically.

You are reinventing history to go along with your biased narrative.
It's not working for you.
 
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The topic is not about illegal immigrants.
For one the Haitians are not illegal immigrants.
And the topic is about Trump lying and demonizing people.
The topic is specifically about illegal immigrants that the left is trying to use as an excuse to accuse Trump of being racist.

Just more propaganda to fuel a futile narrative.

The Dems let the border crumble for 4 years and are now trying to distract...just like you are.
 

Shaquille Oatmeal

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No it wasn't.
Prior to the debate it was.
He repeated the lie in the debate.
He was fact checked in the debate and he doubled down.
And then just last month (a full month after the debate), he still doubled down and only this time he said "they were eating things they were not supposed to be"
Stop lying.
 
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Skoob

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Prior to the debate it was.
He repeated the lie in the debate.
He was fact checked in the debate and he doubled down.
And then just last month (a full month after the debate), he still doubled down and only this time he said "they were eating things they were not supposed to be"
Stop lying.
You have no proof that it was widely known to be untrue before the debate and you are the one doubling down on your lie.
Rather than simply doing your research about the sequence of events, you are letting your cognitive bias control you.
 

Skoob

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That needs no proving.
He has demonstrated it plenty of times before.
As he did by saying legal Haitian immigrants were eating pets.
That's what I thought...no proof. Just cognitive bias.
Considering the cultural diversity of the US and Trump's popularity...the only people who think he's racist are people who hate him for their own racist reasons. Maybe because he's a rich white man? Ironic right?

I guess Biden wasn't racist when he made the "you ain't black" comment? Or did you just let that one slide?

Yeah you did. You managed to keep your rage in check and just wrote it off as nothing.

The hypocrisy of the left is legendary.
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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You have no proof that it was widely known to be untrue before the debate and you are the one doubling down on your lie.
Rather than simply doing your research about the sequence of events, you are letting your cognitive bias control you.
Trump chose to use the line he should have fact checked it.
When fact checked during the debate, he doubled down.
He further doubled down almost a month after.
So all in all it is lies and there is no bias here.
It is as he said it.
 
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That's what I thought...no proof. Just cognitive bias.
Considering the cultural diversity of the US and Trump's popularity...the only people who think he's racist are people who hate him for their own racist reasons. Maybe because he's a rich white man? Ironic right?

I guess Biden wasn't racist when he made the "you ain't black" comment? Or did you just let that one slide?

Yeah you did. You managed to keep your rage in check and just wrote it off as nothing.

The hypocrisy of the left is legendary.
The majority of people who hate Trump are white (like me).
I am also hardly left. I am a moderate and will vote Pierre next year.
And then you resort to whataboutism.
None of this makes for a logical response.
 

shack

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Ya I'm done with you. Just absolutely pathetic! Yesterday you hit me with 32, count em, 32 rapidfire replies to my posts antagonizing and instigating me so that I would have a heated reaction to your childish nonsense and as soon as I did you ratted me out to the mods
Actually, I made no contact with the mods regarding you or anybody else.

Evidently, the mods must have contacted you. LOLOLOLOL
 

kittykellykat

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TPS is granted to certain countries due to temporary conditions such as war.
People with TPS cannot be removed, can get employment authorization.
Now what was the consequence of the Nazis demonizing Jews in Germany in the 1930s?
Disregard the holocaust for a moment and try answering that question.
More generally why should particular ethnicities or groups be demonized and why does there have to be a consequence for it to be not okay?
I see. Okay, uh so…

Anyone under TPS is legally in the country and calling these migrants illegal is wrong, sure.

But they are “protected” in virtue of having a safer place to stay than Haiti. How much more compassion is required when giving people asylum this way? This isn’t enough?

It’s not part of the “protections” that all other people have to like them, or have unbiased feelings for them, or even any additional compassion for their plights. They just have to respect they are legally living there and interact with them with reasonable mutual respect.

Trump isn’t under any legal or moral obligation to ensure these things for the Haitians because TPS 😂. Nobody is under any obligation to defend their vulnerability, or any of the above things. Their move away from Haiti is the protection.

I want to emphasize don’t even mean this just in a legal way. I mean it as a moral principle: nobody has to like anyone else or have a good opinion of them. Or compassion, or a protective impulse for them. It’s nice if you do. Sometimes it could be offensive to whoever you choose to pity. But you’re talking as if the President can make people change their privately held beliefs/feelings about something…?

W8 is it because you actually think Hitler’s charisma was what convinced everyone to hate Jews, and Trump is similar?

Do you worry that White Supremacists and Neonazis of Ohio are going to emerge from their quiet hiding on the grounds of protecting their Fascist and Aryan Cat & Dogs from being consumed by the Haitians, and start doing public lynchings in the streets?

Is this is a possible outcome of Trump’s careless comments about eating pets?

Wow

Damn

Do you think Dave Chapelle could be in danger in Ohio bc he is black, and should we hide him under our floor boards to ensure his safety like Anne Frank

What if Jussie Smollett was telling the truth the whole time

(lol im going to go bye)
 
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Shaquille Oatmeal

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I see. Okay, uh so…

But they are “protected” in virtue of having a safer place to stay than Haiti. How much more compassion is required when giving people asylum this way? This isn’t enough?

It’s not part of the “protections” that all other people have to like them, or have unbiased feelings for them, or even any additional compassion for their plights. They just have to respect they are legally living there and interact with them with reasonable mutual respect.
I didn't read beyond this point as I got the gist of what you are trying to say.
But this is not about what you feel for Haitians.
You dont have to like Haitians.
You dont have to feel sorry for them.
But you can surely, not lie about them, or unfairly demonize them for something they did not do. Right?
We can agree that we shouldn't do that much whether or not there are consequences, right?
Why would you then defend someone who did?
 
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shack

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Using ‘me’ isn’t wrong, even if seen as an object in this case. It’s not “doing” anything in the sentence “He is smarter than me,”
Would you say he is smarter than me is or he is smarter than me am?

No. He is smarter than I (am). It is consistent. If the first person is the subject, then it is always "I". Trust me. I've never lied to you before, have I?
 
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shack

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Trump is not a silver-tongued career politician.
We agree on that, but that does not necessarily make him a better candidate.

He uses metaphors, humour and exaggeration to make his points. It's his style.
His style is to lie every time he speaks.

Some interpret that in different ways. Supporters know what he means. Non-supporters only look at the words and then lose their shit.
trump supporters interpret his words to whitewash what he's actually saying.
We should judge him on his policies in office not hang on every word he says.
His policies are disastrous.

For example, what specific Trump policies did you support vs not support while he was in office?
I did not support separating families at the border.
I did not support giving tax breaks to the wealthy.
I did not support trying to repeal Obamacare.
I do not support his massive tariff policies.
I support the concept of reducing illegal immigration.
 

kittykellykat

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Would you say he is smarter than me is or he is smarter than me am?

No. He is smarter than I (am). It is consistent. If the first person is the subject, then it is always "I". Trust me. I've never lied to you before, have I?
No, I would not say that. Why are you asking this question? 😅

I never disagreed that the first subject is always ‘I’(or ‘she’ or ‘he’). Me never said that!

I did not say that ‘me’ ought to be followed by a verb like a subject or used as a subject. You seem to be on a different planet than me am?

I said the opposite… ‘Me’, being an object, is what makes it acceptable to use in modern English when comparing two persons.

I even gave you a heuristic to figure out why, and said to view the comparison (from the preposition, ‘than’) as the “acting upon” like a verb. It makes semantic sense for an object too, because there is one thing that is being more/less of some property than some another thing that isn’t acting. I can be clearer.

1. In these examples, the three is not “threeing” or doing anything, but being older is the “act upon” the object of three, and this is interchangeable with me.

“He is older than three.”
“He is older than me.”
[emphasis on objects, sounds perfectly normal]


2. Now compare to the more archaic fashion of having two subjects, that you are insisting is the only correct way — without usual verbs following the secondary subject:

He is older than she.”
He is older than I.”
[emphasis on subjects, note the oddness]


3. Now add the verbs:

“He is older than she is.”
“He is older than I am.”
[emphasis on verbs, now it’s normal again right? But still formal.]


4. Okay now switch them back to modern grammar with objects:

“He is older than her.”
“He is older than me.”
[emphasis on objects, now it’s normal again, right? Just casual.]


Get it?

Every one of these sentences is grammatically correct in English.

Would you argue they were all wrong except the ones you prefer in (2)? Hopefully not 😅 bc I’ve written a text book entry here. Lol.

I have no issue if you want to follow rules of English that will make you sound stiff, formal, and like you live in a different century. The double subject thing sounds like affectation, not education. It’s very inappropriate in many formal contexts.

we can let this go now, thx… it’s gay
 
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Skoob

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Trump chose to use the line he should have fact checked it.
When fact checked during the debate, he doubled down.
He further doubled down almost a month after.
So all in all it is lies and there is no bias here.
It is as he said it.
He should have fact checked it but he didn't. Doesn't mean he lied. If he would have fact checked it beforehand and then said it that would be a lie.
You seem to have a problem with understanding this simple concept.
Again, you have no proof of what was known beforehand, you are just stuck on your biased narrative.

Considering the outcome of the election, doesn't look like anyone cared about that anyway.
You're going to have a long 4 years if you don't change your attitude and get off the Democrat bully train.
 
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Skoob

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The majority of people who hate Trump are white (like me).
I am also hardly left. I am a moderate and will vote Pierre next year.
And then you resort to whataboutism.
None of this makes for a logical response.
You call it "whataboutism"...I call it providing you with the same examples which your cognitive bias ignores when making claims and attacking others.
One might call that hypocrisy. Don't blame me for showing you.
 
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Skoob

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We agree on that, but that does not necessarily make him a better candidate.

His style is to lie every time he speaks.

trump supporters interpret his words to whitewash what he's actually saying.
His policies are disastrous.


I did not support separating families at the border.
I did not support giving tax breaks to the wealthy.
I did not support trying to repeal Obamacare.
I do not support his massive tariff policies.
I support the concept of reducing illegal immigration.
Trump supporters look beyond typical politician nice-speak and would rather hear the truth than be fooled by nice words and fantasy statements.
Last I checked, it was Obama who had kids in cages.

You may want to review the article below in the NY Times about 100 Trump fact-checked accomplishments. Put your bias aside for a moment and look at the list.

Re tax breaks I draw your attention to #78-80


78. President Trump’s historic tax cut legislation included new Opportunity Zone Incentives to promote investment in low-income communities across the country.
79. 8,764 communities across the country have been designated as Opportunity Zones.
80. Opportunity Zones are expected to spur $100 billion in long-term private capital investment in economically distressed communities across the country.



Obamacare was a disaster. Everyone knows that. He wanted to make it better.
His tariff policies were less imposing that Biden. His proposed tariffs are to be used a temporary deterrents for things like getting China/Mexico to control drugs from entering the US,

Read this, it's an honest assessment of his accomplishments. I think you'll be surprised.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/11/opinion/fact-check-trump.html
 
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