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And even if Mars or the Earth did start life, who or what started it first ?

It seems like Lightening makes more sense then a God starting life. First comes the water and then thunderstorms and Zap, life happens.

If so, it means life can happen on many planets outside of Earths sun-star.
 

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And even if Mars or the Earth did start life, who or what started it first ?

It seems like Lightening makes more sense then a God starting life. First comes the water and then thunderstorms and Zap, life happens.

If so, it means life can happen on many planets outside of Earths sun-star.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment

That said, it's a lot easier to develop life from life than it is from inorganic compounds to amino acids to full proteins to something we would recognize as life. There's a joke of sorts among the scientific community that life started on Earth when extraterrestrials visited Earth and they had a leaky toilet. A few hundred bacterial cells on a planet whose environment isn't totally inimical to it would pretty quickly populate that planet. In geological time terms, at least.
 

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Significant? It's less than 2% of our atmosphere. Mars has an average temperature of -50 degrees celsius. Dead planet.

You said Mars can't hold onto an atmosphere. I was pointing out that it does indeed hold onto an atmosphere. I didn't say that you could breath there, I said that it is a significant atmosphere, and astronomers agree.

There is enough there to start with that terraforming the atmosphere is a real possibility (over hundreds of years). If there was no significant atmosphere to start with, then terraforming would not be possible.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Its not so much about terraforming Mars, what NASA is really after is eventual mining of planets.
We will at some point run out of natural resources here on earth (titanium, helium, oil, natural gas.....etc.....etc).

When we do, we have to have space-travel ready so we can plunder desolate planets. Its unfortunate in-the-box thinkers like Asterix dont understand this
 

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If they confirm that there was once any form of life on another planet, it will happen.
That means there will be much to learn and for man to benefit in the long run.
 

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We should stop farting around and colonize the place. We have all the required tech to do so. The colony would have to receive regular supply shipments for the next few hundred years but we can do that.

We don't have the tech to bring people back but there would be no shortage of volunteers for a one way trip.

Send whole families. This doesn't need to be science fiction.
 

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We should stop farting around and colonize the place. We have all the required tech to do so. The colony would have to receive regular supply shipments for the next few hundred years but we can do that.

We don't have the tech to bring people back but there would be no shortage of volunteers for a one way trip.

Send whole families. This doesn't need to be science fiction.
You're either joking or insane. Of course it could also be both.
 

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You said Mars can't hold onto an atmosphere. I was pointing out that it does indeed hold onto an atmosphere. I didn't say that you could breath there, I said that it is a significant atmosphere, and astronomers agree.

There is enough there to start with that terraforming the atmosphere is a real possibility (over hundreds of years). If there was no significant atmosphere to start with, then terraforming would not be possible.
It's insignifact. Less than 2% ours, closer to one, and nearly all CO2. Mars doesn't have an active core magnet. It's dead. Which means it can't hold onto an atmospere because solar winds would sweep it away in a heart beat. Get it?
 

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No joke. Google "mars one", the only really unsolved problem is funding it, a matter of political will to get it done.
And the point would be what? Wanderlust? We have very, very big problems to be taken care of at home.There are times when I feel the need to give certain members on this board a dope slap upside the head. Fix it here. First. Then maybe I'll believe we have the skills to take our act somewhere else.
 

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And the point would be what? Wanderlust? We have very, very big problems to be taken care of at home.There are times when I feel the need to give certain members on this board a dope slap upside the head. Fix it here. First. Then maybe I'll believe we have the skills to take our act somewhere else.
Nobody is saying to spend a disproportionate amount of national budgets to send men to Mars. That's why probes are sent to collect data and analyze it. Baby steps.

No country or group of countries can solve the worlds problems by themselves, as other countries won't allow such help if it jeopardizes the power of a tyrannical regime, or they won't learn to help themselves (so it is never solved).

Space exploration creates jobs and has multiplier effects. Spending money in this scientific area is like spending at home. If you were a politician that proposed 'thou shall send all our surplus budgets to feed Africans abroad instead of some towards our domestic scientific programs', you may get the public slapping you out of office.
 

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There are times when I feel the need to give certain members on this board a dope slap upside the head
You might wanna start with yourself first
 

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It's insignifact. Less than 2% ours, closer to one, and nearly all CO2. Mars doesn't have an active core magnet. It's dead. Which means it can't hold onto an atmospere because solar winds would sweep it away in a heart beat. Get it?
What is insignifact?

And the point would be what? Wanderlust? We have very, very big problems to be taken care of at home.There are times when I feel the need to give certain members on this board a dope slap upside the head. Fix it here. First. Then maybe I'll believe we have the skills to take our act somewhere else.
There are ALWAYS problems "at home". There are ALWAYS reasons not to invest your money. There are ALWAYS things that some people would rather spend their money on.

And those people are idiots.

Spain had serious problems when they sent Christopher Columbus out to search for a western route to Asia. He didn't find it, Spain's problems were never resolved (see the Basque problem in Spain), etc. But Spain became INSANELY rich because of Columbus' voyage. Spain also pissed away that money, granted, but that doesn't mean they didn't rake it in for a few centuries before their own stupidity caught up to them. And how did their stupidity catch up to them? Oh, yeah, they ignored THE FUTURE. They ignored the Industrial Revolution.

Investing in the future always pays dividends. Thinking long term always pays dividends. Taking the short cut rarely works out. If you can't figure that out at this point in your life, when you're actually old enough to be seeing SPs, then you're just too stupid to teach.

Space is the future. Investing in space SOLVES many of those "big, big problems". Cheap, renewable energy? Solar farms in space. Industrial pollution? Move industrial production into space. Does developing space mean we won't have problems? Of course not. But it'll solve many of our "big, big" current problems.
 

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There are ALWAYS problems "at home". There are ALWAYS reasons not to invest your money. There are ALWAYS things that some people would rather spend their money on.

And those people are idiots.

Spain had serious problems when they sent Christopher Columbus out to search for a western route to Asia. He didn't find it, Spain's problems were never resolved (see the Basque problem in Spain), etc. But Spain became INSANELY rich because of Columbus' voyage.

Investing in the future always pays dividends. Thinking long term always pays dividends. Taking the short cut rarely works out. If you can't figure that out at this point in your life, when you're actually old enough to be seeing SPs, then you're just too stupid to teach.

Space is the future. Investing in space SOLVES many of those "big, big problems". Cheap, renewable energy? Solar farms in space. Industrial pollution? Move industrial production into space. Does developing space mean we won't have problems? Of course not. But it'll solve many of our "big, big" current problems.
I like it.
 

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And the point would be what? Wanderlust? We have very, very big problems to be taken care of at home.There are times when I feel the need to give certain members on this board a dope slap upside the head. Fix it here. First. Then maybe I'll believe we have the skills to take our act somewhere else.
Do you also believe that the police should not bother trying to solve thefts and frauds, given that there are still murderers loose out there? Maybe you think there's no point protecting the environment here on Earth so long as there's still even one person unemployed. Or maybe you think there's no point in dealing with unemployment, given that the environment problems haven't been solved. In any cased, suggesting that we should only solve one problem at a time as a species seems to me to be so stupid that it is actually stupendously stupid.

Short-term thinking is exactly that.

Certainly space colonization is very, very long-term thinking, but in the very, very long term our survival as a species depends on it. It's ultimately an existential question--eventually we HAVE to do this. Sooner or later some piece of space junk is going to annihilate all life on Earth. Whether we survive that event is going to depend on whether we managed to become self-sustaining offworld--which is a project that is probably at least a thousand years long.

If we colonize Mars now it'll be entirely dependent on supplies for earth for at least a hundred years. After that it'll probably continue to be dependent on earth for hundreds more years--but for increasingly rarer commodities. Eventually, at some point, we'll become self sustaining without earth. Perhaps not only on mars, perhaps in other places--perhaps free floating in space. Who knows.

If we DON'T do this over the next few thousand years we're playing russian roulette with our survival as a species.

So OK, a few thousand years is a long fucking time, and the project becomes easier with technological advance. A couple of thousand years ago we were inventing writing. Now we've got space travel, and sure you could say, hey this will be easier in another few hundred years, and on the timescales of astroids smashing the planet, a few hundred years here or there won't matter much.

But at what point do you entertain the idea?

The cost is now at a level where doing it won't MEANINGFULLY impact the economics anywhere else. It's a project that would cost a few billion a year out of a global GDP of some $70 trillion per year. It is an absolutely insignificant amount of money to us now, as a species. If we can figure out how to share the cost globally so that no one nation takes a massive hit to its budget, I think the time is now.

So like I said it is a funding question.
 

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Do you also believe that the police should not bother trying to solve thefts and frauds, given that there are still murderers loose out there? Maybe you think there's no point protecting the environment here on Earth so long as there's still even one person unemployed. Or maybe you think there's no point in dealing with unemployment, given that the environment problems haven't been solved. In any cased, suggesting that we should only solve one problem at a time as a species seems to me to be so stupid that it is actually stupendously stupid.

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So like I said it is a funding question.
For the record, I don't see colonization as the goal for the space program. Not yet. In the long, long, long term future (as fuji said), yes, but that isn't the point of going to Mars. Terraforming Mars (as opposed to Venus) isn't the point. Worrying about an extinction level event asteroid killing all of us isn't the point. If we have Mars-Earth commerce traffic, we'll have long since put into place a system to "catch" cargo coming from Mars, which would give us the start for an asteroid defense system.

Using "long term" and "short term" breaks down at this point. Getting extraterrestrial colonies out there would be a long, long, long term plan. Absolutely worthy, absolutely worth planning for, but it'll be well beyond the lifetimes of even our grandchildren to make that happen. And that's okay. It's a good thing to have those kinds of plans. Industrializing space, exploiting space for science and profit, that we can have within our lifetimes. We need only two things: a space elevator and artificial intelligences smart enough to handle foundries without real time human intervention. And we're damned close to both of those things.

That's "long term" thinking that most people can actually grasp, and makes space exploration worth the investment for us. The kinds of materials and goods that we can get from that kind of space investment will pay massive dividends, which will give us the money for the long, long, long term investment into colonization.
 

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Mars doesn't have an active core magnet. It's dead. Which means it can't hold onto an atmospere because solar winds would sweep it away in a heart beat. Get it?
The temperature, types of gases in the atmosphere, and especially gravity of the planet have a lot more to do with whether a planet will hold an atmosphere than the magnetism does.
 

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I don’t understand all the people that say spending money on space exploration is a waste of money. Almost everything from digital watches to computers to smart phones to WD-40 is an indirect product of the space program and the race to beat the Soviets to the moon. Space presents a whole new set of challenges that when solved end up turning out to be technology useful here on earth. As for finding intelligent life I’m not sure it exists even here on earth.
 
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