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My thoughts on Trump

lomotil

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Oblivion
And let me guess. It's still Trump's fault.
Trump is a symptom of the Darwin not the cause . Some people are fed up and Trump taps into their angst and neurosis due to their reality and provides solace. This is not Trump’s fault but his sycophants and apologists are pot lickers who will inherit the wind.
 

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Great analogy conflating a he said/she said encounter in a dept. store with slashing necks with a knife.

No one should be tried in the U.S. and Canada for incidents where there are no witnesses and the victim can't even offer a date when the incident took place. It was pretty clear when Nicole and Ron Goldman were murdered violently.
Nobody saw OJ do it and E Jean Carrol was a witness to thr Trunp rape. Both were found in the same level of court to have committed their crimes. The only real difference is that Trump was never found not guilty in criminal court but OJ was. Therefore OJ is far less likely to have committed murder than Trump.commited rape. Sure you may disagree with what the jury concluded but many OJ fans equally said he was innocent too and a victim. The similarities don't stop there as both were convicted of felonies after being found liable of crimes in civil court. Both played a victim in court but OJ had better lawyers while Trump hired a moron with big tits. OJ had far superior intellect and talent than Trump
 

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This is silly rhetoric. Someone who despises American success or worse Western capitalism in totality periodically pops their head up to announce the decline of America.

- Russia is bogged down fighting a country with a military a tenth its size. Its economy...ehhh.
- China's economy is looking over the abyss as its Central Planners desperately try to resuscitate its economy. It is likely in a midst of a lost decade.
Yes, we have a couple of China champions floating around TERB. Not only does that dog don't hunt no more, I think it's literally dead.
- Europe is stagnating both economically and existentially in it's current form.

So where's the vigor and energy outside of America?

As I mentioned before, political debate is healthy not the other way around. Personally, I like when the Democrats and Republican are representing traditional class interests. Democrats are generally dovish and Republicans are generally hawkish. Perhaps there's something at work with U.S. political realignment that we are yet to understand.
BRICS

The US is experiencing end state capitalism.
 

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Nobody saw OJ do it and E Jean Carrol was a witness to thr Trunp rape. Both were found in the same level of court to have committed their crimes. The only real difference is that Trump was never found not guilty in criminal court but OJ was. Therefore OJ is far less likely to have committed murder than Trump.commited rape. Sure you may disagree with what the jury concluded but many OJ fans equally said he was innocent too and a victim. The similarities don't stop there as both were convicted of felonies after being found liable of crimes in civil court. Both played a victim in court but OJ had better lawyers while Trump hired a moron with big tits. OJ had far superior intellect and talent than Trump
This post was taxing for anyone reading it. I want to give you some credit for mixing in criminal court and guilt, but not a lot.

This is why words matter especially legal matters.
 

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He was found guilty for sexual assault by 12 impartial jurors, NOT KAMALA or BIDEN!

He has been indicted by gran juries unlike the attempt to impeach Biden by a yahoo Republican congress who couldn't prove shit.

Trump did the crimes he deserves to pay the time but your cult won't accept it.
He was not found guilty. The jury ruled in favour of the plaintiff in a sham of a case about something that allegedly happened years before he was president.
Acquitted in every impeachment witch hunt brought forward by the Dems.

It's funny when everything that you throw at him was nothing to do with him being in office.

What you should be more concerned about is what the current administration has done to fool the American people about their leader's mental state and how they asked him to (ahem...) "step aside".

That is far more sinister than bookkeeping errors.
 

Skoob

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I agree. Harris will not do a 3 hour talk show with Joe Rogan for that reason
This is a smart move by Harris

Vance fucked up in his Joe Rogan
Smart move by Harris?
By fooling the American people into thinking she's qualified? (she did assist in keeping Biden's mental state hidden for a few years so looks like a play she is familiar with: i.e. don't let the public see what's really going on)
 
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She has better plans than Trump who has concepts of a plan

that is awkward

It was not a coup Jan 6 was a coup
Electing the person to run for office didn't happen. It was a coup.
Just because it was done behind closed doors doesn't mean it wasn't a coup.
 
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Valcazar

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I will disagree. I think that when the State of New York set it up the legal definitions that way because of the new law to allow civil suits for indefinite periods of time. Rape as a NY State crime still has a statute of limitation.
What does any of that have to do with that I'm saying?

Sexual Assault is not a defined crime in New York.
It is a category. Everything in Article 130 is a sex offense.
You complained that he wasn't found liable of sexual assault and it was inappropriate to say he was.
I am just pointing out he was - it is totally appropriate to say it.

Unless - again - you are the kind of person who wants to say that no one can commit rape in Canada because there is no criminal charge called rape here.
If someone is found guilty of manslaughter, do you complain when someone says they were found guilty of homicide?

Making things up about why New York defines things the way they do to suit some narrative you want isn't something you normally do.


When men come to TERB to argue about Trump the rapist they generally run into two realities you and I can't change.

First, the TERB membership isn't really all that sympathetic to "MeToo" or "Believe Her".

Second, the American public taken as a whole don't seem to be all that impressed with the 1995 incident.

Maybe the third reality is Harris' own choice of words.
Again, that you (and indeed the people on TERB) are generally unsympathetic to Carrol has nothing to do with what I said.

That Harris, as a former lawyer, uses the exact term also has nothing to do with it.

You complained that it was wrong to say he was found liable of sexual assault because that isn't the exact term.
Sexual abuse is sexual assault in New York.
I don't understand why you feel compelled to play word games about this.
 

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He was not found guilty. The jury ruled in favour of the plaintiff in a sham of a case about something that allegedly happened years before he was president.
Acquitted in every impeachment witch hunt brought forward by the Dems.

It's funny when everything that you throw at him was nothing to do with him being in office.

What you should be more concerned about is what the current administration has done to fool the American people about their leader's mental state and how they asked him to (ahem...) "step aside".

That is far more sinister than bookkeeping errors.
You are FULL OF SHIT!!!

Here, enjoy Dana Bash BASH ass kissing Twat Tim Scott, a typical lying POS Repug.

 
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Valcazar

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If you say other State's would call it rape, doesn't that enter the issue that many State's have statute of limitations on rape and sexual assault.
Which has nothing to do with the issue because he wasn't tried criminally due to the statute of limitations.

Unless you are trying to make the argument that if a crime was committed but not prosecuted within the statute of limitations it means it never happened.
Which would be insane.

That's why it's muddy. It's far from a normal legal case. This is how NY State chose to change the law initially. Then I think they did the law a disservice by highlighting the Trump-Carroll case when they changed the definition of rape. When politicians make a showy stand like this, politics are being served. I would go farther to say IMHO that NY State will likely return to statutes of limitation for civil cases.
You do realize that "don't define rape as penis in vagina" only had nothing to do with Carroll?
That's a move that's been happening across the US (and in the general consciousness) for decades.
That law in New York had been passed and then stalled in the Senate for over a decade.
The FBI changed it's definition over a decade ago.
Whole states are like Canada and don't have the word on the books at all. (You can't get convicted of rape in Michigan and a few other states if I recall.)

The Statute of limitations issue on those civil cases has already expired. (Both the child and adult bills each had a one-year lookback window only).
 

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He was not found guilty. The jury ruled in favour of the plaintiff in a sham of a case about something that allegedly happened years before he was president.
Acquitted in every impeachment witch hunt brought forward by the Dems.

It's funny when everything that you throw at him was nothing to do with him being in office.

What you should be more concerned about is what the current administration has done to fool the American people about their leader's mental state and how they asked him to (ahem...) "step aside".

That is far more sinister than bookkeeping errors.
He was found liable by a properly selected jury in a case that you didn't watch, but you're still more of an expert on - apparently - than any jury member. At least according to you. Mr Expert.
 

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He was found liable by a properly selected jury in a case that you didn't watch, but you're still more of an expert on - apparently - than any jury member. At least according to you. Mr Expert.
From my understanding, the case is still under appeal.

Everyone should calm down and allow themselves some room to retreat from rigid stances.
 
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From my understanding, the case is still under appeal.

Everyone should calm down and allow themselves some room to retreat from rigid stances.
Earpy. The presumption of innocence has been displaced by the jury finding.

And he appeals everything. And this is his weakest appeal.

The way to impress people that you're innocent is to show the fuck up to the trial, look the jury in the eye, tell your truth and respectfully thank the panel when they acquit you. None of that happened with this bullshit defendant.
 
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WyattEarp

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Which has nothing to do with the issue because he wasn't tried criminally due to the statute of limitations.

Unless you are trying to make the argument that if a crime was committed but not prosecuted within the statute of limitations it means it never happened.
Which would be insane.



You do realize that "don't define rape as penis in vagina" only had nothing to do with Carroll?
That's a move that's been happening across the US (and in the general consciousness) for decades.
That law in New York had been passed and then stalled in the Senate for over a decade.
The FBI changed it's definition over a decade ago.
Whole states are like Canada and don't have the word on the books at all. (You can't get convicted of rape in Michigan and a few other states if I recall.)

The Statute of limitations issue on those civil cases has already expired. (Both the child and adult bills each had a one-year lookback window only).
I find myself in a quibbling match with the master quibbler.

I stand by my initial words below which in my opinion are factual. If you and others want to add on information or whatever, that's fine. I personally have a hard time superimposing what the jury was thinking in this situation beyond the decision.

After the incident occurred somewhere around twenty-seven years prior, "Nine jurors found him liable of sexual abuse. The jury only needed to find a preponderance of liability. As is commonly required in U.S. and Canada criminal law, the jury did not find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt on any matter." As is customary in civil suits, the plaintiff was awarded money.
 

WyattEarp

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America can no longer tell their banker China what to do.
As long as the U$D remains the Reserve Currency and America can print money ( quantitative easing) then yes America will look better than most places around the globe.
If you read up on the topic from economists, you will find that trade balances and ensuing treasury debt do not follow the relationship of banker and borrower. Essentially chronic trade surplus countries like China and Germany, structurally suppress domestic demand. In the case of China, SOEs (State Owned Enterprises) still control an enormous part of the economy and it doesn't find it's way to consumers. Instead, State money is funneled over and over again into redundant infrastructure, overinvestment in real estate and surplus production capacity.

The excess production has to or at least try to find a home abroad. North America and Europe have essentially now put a limit on Chinese overproduction finding its way to their markets.

Jumping back to banker/borrower and why it doesn't apply. Basically, if you are a chronic trade surplus country you have to park your excess funds into other countries. I assure you Japan and Germany don't want the Chinese buying up their debt and wouldn't allow it. The reason is in this game of tag Japan and Germany would have to spend the new Chinese money thus driving up their imports. Japan and Germany have a historical aversion to imports.

The U.S. is the only economy large enough and willing to date to absorb Chinese exports by also allowing China access to our treasury markets. It all seems abstract until you follow where the money has to go to balance out.

Quoting Yale University economist Thomas Palley:
There is a third unrecognized theory that can be labeled the “buyer of last resort” theory of reserve currencies. Put bluntly, the tribute other countries pay the US through their trade surpluses is the result of their failure to generate adequate consumption spending in their own markets, be it due to poor income distribution or bad domestic economic policies. This forces other countries to rely on the American consumer.

Domestically America is already in a sort of Civil War, divided against itself and may implode or fragment.
The only civil war is the drama that plays out on 24/7 cable news.
 
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I find myself in a quibbling match with the master quibbler.

I stand by my initial words below which in my opinion are factual. If you and others want to add on information or whatever, that's fine. I personally have a hard time superimposing what the jury was thinking in this situation beyond the decision.

After the incident occurred somewhere around twenty-seven years prior, "Nine jurors found him liable of sexual abuse. The jury only needed to find a preponderance of liability. As is commonly required in U.S. and Canada criminal law, the jury did not find him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt on any matter." As is customary in civil suits, the plaintiff was awarded money.
Is that what you have to tell yourself so its ok to support a rapist?
Please remember that trump took Carroll to court when she called him a rapist and the judge ruled that it is legally correct to call trump a rapist.

 
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dirtydaveiii

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From my understanding, the case is still under appeal.

Everyone should calm down and allow themselves some room to retreat from rigid stances.
Of course they are they will be until he's dead which at his age and lifestyle probably is a matter of a few years. If he keeps appealingl he doesn't have to pay the hundreds of millions of dollars he owes for his crimes. The bonus is his feeble minded followers somehow think this exonerate him. Certainly you are more intelligent than someone who doesn't see this Wyatt? Don't let your emotions get in the way of your judgement
 
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