That's the point! It has nothing to do with left or right but simple cause and effect. If you don't make a determined effort to fit into your new country you will have people of all stripes saying "hey you gotta fit in".JohnC said:
Muslims pissed at Jack's Straw's comments about veils
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That was then, this is now.Scarbiguy said:As far as the comments about islam=terrorism In the 1500 years of Islam's existence the total of people killed by Muslims in war and otherwise does not come close to being a fraction of those killed innocently by the church.
Theres my two cents
When was the last time you saw a group of Christian fundamentalists hijack a bunch of planes and fly them into Mecca?
Years ago, there was a rumour that the Americans had occupied Mecca and the result was that enraged muslims ransacked anything Christian in their path, and burned the American Embassy to the ground.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/21/newsid_4187000/4187184.stm
Then there was that whole cartoon thing.
After 911, how many mosques in North America went up in flames?
How many muslims were lynched?
The answer would be none.
But you do have a point, the muslim religion is at a point of social enlightenment roughly akin to the Christian church in the year 1400.
This is true but secondary to the thread. In fact, Robert Fisk, who's covered mid east politics for 15 odd years and has written a book about the History of the Middle East notes that Muslims have had tremendous restraint in dealing with the incursions of the West, so that's not the point.Scarbiguy said:Reading these posts have been very amusing at best. Muslims have rights like all other groups do. Where the Nikab (veil) is an individual choice for many muslim women. Yes there are many who are forced by their husbands to do so, this isn't right but there are women in BC forced into polygamist relationships by men also. There has always been a power inequality between men and women. A lot of the teachings in the Muslim world today are cultural and not according to the word of Islam. Part of this has to do with the fact that the first thing the colonialists did when they conquerd muslim countries and created borders based on their own whim to appease their allies was to close all of the Islamic education centres. The oldest universities in the world were muslim ones and their books were burned by the british, french dutch etc...
As far as the comments about islam=terrorism In the 1500 years of Islam's existence the total of people killed by Muslims in war and otherwise does not come close to being a fraction of those killed innocently by the church.
Theres my two cents
As a thinking person, I am becoming fatigued at having to learn all the reasons Islams are or aren't the way they are--in fact, i think all religions are a crock, including murderous Christians--but more concerned at bending tolerance to the point where our societies fundamental values are going up in smoke. Sharia Law, line one!
Wear that veil baby! Just don't come crying when your reasons for wearing one don't wash with me! Hey now!
SCC overturns ban on Sikh daggers in schools
Mar. 2 2006
Canada's top court ruled Thursday that a Montreal school went too far when it banned a Sikh boy from wearing his ceremonial dagger to school.
In a unanimous 8-0 judgment, the Supreme Court of Canada overturned a Quebec Court of Appeals decision that had barred teenager Gurbaj Singh Multani from wearing the dagger, known as a kirpan, to class.
http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060302/scc_sikh_dagger_060302
Mar. 2 2006
Canada's top court ruled Thursday that a Montreal school went too far when it banned a Sikh boy from wearing his ceremonial dagger to school.
In a unanimous 8-0 judgment, the Supreme Court of Canada overturned a Quebec Court of Appeals decision that had barred teenager Gurbaj Singh Multani from wearing the dagger, known as a kirpan, to class.
http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060302/scc_sikh_dagger_060302
Wasnt all that done in Iraq as a response to 9/11 in a more lethal and mass murderouus way ???james t kirk said:That was then, this is now.
When was the last time you saw a group of Christian fundamentalists hijack a bunch of planes and fly them into Mecca?
After 911, how many mosques in North America went up in flames?
How many muslims were lynched?
The answer would be none.
But you do have a point, the muslim religion is at a point of social enlightenment roughly akin to the Christian church in the year 1400.
Many Christians in America will blindly support whichever war their president promotes, with the assumption that his much-advertised praying guarantees us that God approves of all those bombs and missiles, and even the inevitable collateral damage.
Iraq was NOT in response to 911. More like, 911 was the pretense, or the excuse for Iraq.scroll99 said:Wasnt all that done in Iraq as a response to 9/11 in a more lethal and mass murderouus way ???
Many Christians in America will blindly support whichever war their president promotes, with the assumption that his much-advertised praying guarantees us that God approves of all those bombs and missiles, and even the inevitable collateral damage.
Apples and oranges to me.
To your second point, yes, I would agree, however, I don't believe it's a religous thing, it's more like a blind patriotism thing.
Plus, you need to descriminate the difference between America acting badly and Christians acting badly. Americans just happen to be by and large - Christian, however, not all Christians are Americans. In fact, it would only be a minority of Christians are American.
I find the muslim religion completely smothering !! They're not happy until everyone is just like them. Just recently in Minnesota Muslim taxi drivers are refusing to pick-up passengers who buy liquor at duty free at the airport due to their beliefs.
They will keep pushing their agenda until everyone is Muslim. Show me a well run Muslim country !
They will keep pushing their agenda until everyone is Muslim. Show me a well run Muslim country !
but one of the World's most powerful force to influence the world affairs , wage wars and support tyrannies...james t kirk said:not all Christians are Americans In fact, it would only be a minority of Christians are American.
james t kirk said:Iraq was NOT in response to 911. More like, 911 was the pretense, or the excuse for Iraq.
Apples and oranges to me.
To your second point, yes, I would agree, however, I don't believe it's a religous thing, it's more like a blind patriotism thing.
Plus, you need to descriminate the difference between America acting badly and Christians acting badly. Americans just happen to be by and large - Christian, however, not all Christians are Americans. In fact, it would only be a minority of Christians are American.
George Bush: 'God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq'
George Bush has claimed he was on a mission from God when he launched the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1586978,00.html
Bush attends National Prayer Service
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush attended the National Prayer Service on Friday, after a whirlwind Inauguration Day on which he outlined a U.S. policy "with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world."
Friday's prayer service, a presidential tradition, was held at Washington National Cathedral. Vice President Dick Cheney and his wife, Lynne, also attended the ceremony.
Acclaimed tenor Ronan Tynan opened the ceremony with the hymn "How Great Thou Art."
Evangelist Billy Graham spoke at the service, and he shook hands with Bush when the president and first lady entered the church.
Graham said it was fitting that inauguration week culminated in a church service.
He thanked God for "divine help" in the selection of presidents throughout history.
"We believe that in your province you have granted a second term to our president, George W. Bush, and our vice president, Richard Cheney," the 86-year-old Graham said.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/21/bush.friday/index.html
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According to your link, this comes from a "Senior Palestinian Politician"scroll99 said:but one of the World's most powerful force to influence the world affairs , wage wars and support tyrannies...
George Bush: 'God told me to end the tyranny in Iraq'
George Bush has claimed he was on a mission from God when he launched the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1586978,00.html
Sorry, I don't give these guys much stock, any more than I do the Israelis.
Never the less, I am no fan of GWB. I believe him to be dangerously stupid.
Before September 11, President George W Bush kept his evangelical Christian beliefs largely to himself.james t kirk said:According to your link, this comes from a "Senior Palestinian Politician"
Sorry, I don't give these guys much stock, any more than I do the Israelis.
Never the less, I am no fan of GWB. I believe him to be dangerously stupid.
He had turned to God at the age of 40 as a way of kicking alcoholism, and his faith had kept him on the straight and narrow ever since, giving him the drive to reach the White House.
One in three American Christians call themselves evangelicals and many evangelicals believe the second coming of Christ will occur in the Middle East after a titanic battle with the anti-Christ.
scroll99 said:SCC overturns ban on Sikh daggers in schools
Mar. 2 2006
Canada's top court ruled Thursday that a Montreal school went too far when it banned a Sikh boy from wearing his ceremonial dagger to school.
In a unanimous 8-0 judgment, the Supreme Court of Canada overturned a Quebec Court of Appeals decision that had barred teenager Gurbaj Singh Multani from wearing the dagger, known as a kirpan, to class.
http://sympaticomsn.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060302/scc_sikh_dagger_060302
If allowing a child to be armed at school is religious tolerance then I belive the rastas should be able to light up at study hall. Not to mention the Christians be allowed to have open prayer at school.
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You mean like the Amish? They are as extreme Christian as you get. They seem like nice folk.mackensonV2 said:What about the extremist Christian?
Agreed, it is disgusting to see. Enoch Powell saw the coming problem but he was brushed aside as being a "racist". We only have ourselves to blame.smiley27 said:Just another example that multiculturalism doesn't work. For those who don't believe it, go to England, Netherlands, Germany, France for few months. I dare you pass through their suburbs.
