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If I remember correctly, Elizabeth May did. She had submitted separate motions for each of the clauses to be deleted at the Report Stage.
Ah yes! That's it! I couldn't remember her name. Thx reverdy! Ur posts are golden! Xo
 

AK-47

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“It’s quite possible that the very first guy arrested under the purchase or pimping law will decide to launch a constitutional challenge. They could absolutely do that and it could happen two weeks after the law is passed,”
Heh, so who's gonna the first Terbite sacrifial lamb??!

HINT: it aint gonna be me
 

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Legal experts, though, are hesitant to declare this the best option. While it does have value in potentially expediting a process if the Supreme Court invalidates or modifies the legislation, preventing Charter rights being broken in the meantime, references are done on argument as opposed to on legislative fact evidence, which could result in a decontextualized decision, baring little weight over the initial question sought to be answered, said Prof. Young.
That is true. But a reference could send all of the provisions to an appellate court to rule on. Right now, even if someone is charged with profiting from prostitution, someone else would have to challenge the advertising ban, and yet someone else would have to challenge the purchasing ban. A reference could sweep all of the laws into one reference case.
 

Fallsguy

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That is true. But a reference could send all of the provisions to an appellate court to rule on. Right now, even if someone is charged with profiting from prostitution, someone else would have to challenge the advertising ban, and yet someone else would have to challenge the purchasing ban. A reference could sweep all of the laws into one reference case.
Wouldn't it be possible for any provincial gov't to ask for a Supreme Court reference as soon as the bill is passed?
Also, rather than a new gov't asking for a reference after the 2015 election would it be possible for a new gov't to simply scrap the law, and start over or simply scrap the law and leave it at that? We already have laws against human trafficking and abuse of minors and sexual assault and all the rest of it. Do we need any new laws?
By the way, the pro C36ers and the Conservative government have been making a concerted effort to conflate sex work with human trafficking. Yet the majority of those trafficked are brought into the country to work on our farms, the second largest group are domestic help, nannies and people like that. There is actually very little evidence of trafficking people in the country to work in the sex trade.
 

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Wouldn't it be possible for any provincial gov't to ask for a Supreme Court reference as soon as the bill is passed?
It's possible. From this link:
http://seancasey.liberal.ca/communications/sean-in-the-news/hill-times-feds-antiprostitution-legislation-destined-legal-challenge-years/
''A federal or provincial government could send a reference to the Supreme Court of Canada or a provincial Superior Court or Queen’s Bench, in which they could pose a question or questions to the court about the constitutionality of various points of the bill and allow the court to declare its constitutionality. This reference could be initiated at any time, when the law is at any stage of the lawmaking process. ''

Many experts say there is maybe not enough evidence now to predict the effect of the law, so this may not be the best option now. But they can simply tell their prosecutors not to lay charges with this law.
 

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It's possible. From this link:
http://seancasey.liberal.ca/communications/sean-in-the-news/hill-times-feds-antiprostitution-legislation-destined-legal-challenge-years/
''A federal or provincial government could send a reference to the Supreme Court of Canada or a provincial Superior Court or Queen’s Bench, in which they could pose a question or questions to the court about the constitutionality of various points of the bill and allow the court to declare its constitutionality. This reference could be initiated at any time, when the law is at any stage of the lawmaking process. ''

Many experts say there is maybe not enough evidence now to predict the effect of the law, so this may not be the best option now. But they can simply tell their prosecutors not to lay charges with this law.
I could be wrong and I hope I am but I think it's only the Federal Reform Party or the Reforms laced Senate that can order the bill to the Supreme Court.
 

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I could be wrong and I hope I am but I think it's only the Federal Reform Party or the Reforms laced Senate that can order the bill to the Supreme Court.
Well, I believe the law is that only the Governor-in-Council can refer questions directly to the SCC. The GIC is basically the Governor General who takes instructions from the Cabinet. So, whoever has formed the government can ask the GG to refer the question to the SCC. If after October 2015, the Liberals or NDP are in power, they can make a direct reference to the SCC.

The provincial governments have something similar, although they can only refer questions to their province's Court of Appeal. A victory at any provincial Court of Appeal would basically make the law a lame duck everywhere in Canada.
 

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Someone asked on another forum if the new bill could "be tested via a class action lawsuit, as it seems to deliberately put Industry workers in harms way?"
No.

The industry workers (or a public interest group who represents the affected) can simply challenge the law as being unconstitutional alleging that the law infringes on the workers' rights. That's what Bedford, Lebovitch and Scott did.
 

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Criminalizing prostitution will not make it safer for prostitutes says panel at University of Guelph

Guelph Mercury
By Joanne Shuttleworth

http://www.guelphmercury.com/news-s...ostitutes-says-panel-at-university-of-guelph/

GUELPH —Bill C-36 will change the laws around prostitution in Canada, but will it actually make life safer for prostitutes?

That was the question put to a panel of experts at a discussion at the University of Guelph, hosted by the criminal justice and public policy program and the Institute for Liberal Studies Wednesday afternoon.

Dr. Peter Jaworski, an assistant professor at Georgetown University, said the thing people find distasteful about prostitution is that sex becomes a commodity when money is exchanged and for the most part, people think of sex as a most intimate act.

"But we purchase lots of acts of intimacy," he said, listing childcare, education, therapy, health care and financial advice as examples of intimate services we pay for.

As an ethical argument against prostitution, it doesn't hold water, he said.

"Indignity does surround prostitution, but is it because it's in the black market?" he asked. "Maybe the indignity is entirely because it is illegal."

Jaworski said it's not that he's in favour of prostitution, but when discussing whether it should be illegal or decriminalized, and who should be charged with committing a crime, "it shifts the ground to empirical issues. We have to improve the lives of men and women in the sex trade. That should be the basis," he said.

Gregoire Webber, an associate professor of law at Queen's University, gave an overview of the bill and the proposed changes.

Currently brothels are not allowed, living off the avails of prostitution is not allowed, and soliciting in public is not allowed.

Under the new bill, brothels will be allowed and only clients of prostitutes can be prosecuted.

"But there's a new offence of advertising it," Webber said. "This is an attempt to protect the rights of prostitutes."

Dr. Rashmee Singh, an assistant professor of sociology and legal studies at the University of Waterloo, said the new legislation will perpetuate the same problems.

"Prostitution is a divisive topic among feminist legal scholars," she said. "Are sex workers victims or agents?"

The experience of the sex trade is different based on gender, race, economic and geographic location, she said, and these distinctions need to be considered.

"Native sex workers experience more violence and are more vulnerable. It's entirely different from a middle class white sex worker. And there's an absence of empirical research on what sex workers want.

"Will criminalization protect the most vulnerable? Will Bill C-36 actually protect women? Recent research says no. Criminalization could make prostitutes more vulnerable."

Jaworski said if prostitution was legalized, it could be regulated by government. There could be a College of Sex Workers, much like a College of Teachers, or College of Nurses. There could be a Sex Control Board of Ontario, much like the Liquor Control Board of Ontario. There could be prostitution unions.

Municipal bylaws could also control business licenses, hours of operation and could require health and safety checks by public health or bylaw officers.

"I'm not endorsing this but if the genuine concern is about violence and the treatment of prostitutes, legalization can deal with this," he said.

"I'm skeptical that criminalizing prostitution will improve conditions. We can find other initiatives to address the harms. We don't always have to run to legislation," added Singh.

jshuttleworth@guelphmercury.com
Yes, but we know there is no one in the Conservative government listening to reasoned argument. We have to get rid of this vile regime before we can get rid of this vile law. In just over a year's time, both will be history. 384 days to go. I wish it was sooner.
 

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After this bill pass, will the police take it into effect immediately?
For example, if a girl show up in my hotel room, could the police force into my room and arrest me for this?
Just curious about this!
This is a stupid law.
Then, with this law, a lot of marriage become illegal too!
Husband works for money to support his family, his children, and above all sex with his wife.
Thus, he is paying for sex too! Haha!
 

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QUESTION:

When C36 becomes law, and someone challenges that law 2 weeks later to the Supreme Court of Canada, will cops then halt arresting people until the matter is settled by the SCC?? Or will they most likely keep arresting people??
 

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QUESTION:

When C36 becomes law, and someone challenges that law 2 weeks later to the Supreme Court of Canada, will cops then halt arresting people until the matter is settled by the SCC?? Or will they most likely keep arresting people??
I think that the law is so flawed, that Crown Prosecutors will be wary of taking anybody to trial over it. That's because there is a real possibility that a judge could acquit on the basis that sections of the law are unconstitutional, making it a lame duck. Plus, some prosecution services could direct their Crowns and police corps not to enforce certain sections of the law so as to spend limited resources on more cost-beneficial enforcement; that seems to be the direction in Quebec.
 

AK-47

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I think that the law is so flawed, that Crown Prosecutors will be wary of taking anybody to trial over it. That's because there is a real possibility that a judge could acquit on the basis that sections of the law are unconstitutional, making it a lame duck. Plus, some prosecution services could direct their Crowns and police corps not to enforce certain sections of the law so as to spend limited resources on more cost-beneficial enforcement; that seems to be the direction in Quebec
Really good points wilbur, lets hope you're right
 
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