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shakenbake

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Aardvark154 said:
There are indeed "educated idiots," but I do think that those of us with multiple degrees/letters behind our names have: earned them, hopefully don't take ourselves to seriously, should take a certain pride in them, are doing something constructive with them.
By and large, I agree. However, it is the obnoxious few that paint a bad picture of all of us. Unfortunately, I have had to deal with some of them. And, the savnig grace, if you will, was that these occasions were not limited to individuals from just one particular occupation.

I guess that it is unfair to pick just one occupation. Rather, to paraphrase one of my friend's wise words, when one can make one's avvocation into one's vocation, then that would make for prestige and, more importantly, happiness.
 

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Thanks I think I suppose it depends on what part of North America you're in. In more rural areas R.N.'s are comparatively speaking well compensated. However, I agree that in more urban areas comparatively speaking they aren't.
Was told this story from a comp sci professor.

He got sent on a field call to fix a computer at a hospital in Kansas.

One of the ways the nurses had tried to fix the computer was by standing around, holding hands, and praying. :eek:
 

lusciouslin33

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They were probably praying that the repairman was hot and had brought coffee.lol.

I have been in palliative care for numerous years now and it is unfortunate to see a large majority of us nurses that have become bitter, callous and cold.
For the work we do, the hours we put in and the greif we endure, we are not fairly compensated.
There are many situations where we work nine 12 hour shifts in a row, sometimes pulling a double in there as well due to shortages.
We deal with young doctors coming in that already think they are God, yet still look to us for guidance without giving us kudos..
We have union reps that do nothing for us until there is strike action or issues...
With all the negatives, and they are numerous, we also have our immense rewards.
The ability to make a difference...
The satisfaction of facillitating a family's transition through the grief..
The knowledge that we helped one person through something that they might have done alone.
So, like it has been mentioned many times in this thread, the importance of the job is all relevent.
Maybe if we all showed more appreciation for the people around us, regardless of their occupation or lack thereof, the ripple effect might happen and eventually everyone will feel appreciated, needed, respected and cherished.

You'd think I just sucked off Buddha with those sage pieces of wisdom pouring out of my mouth.lol.
 

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Palliative care nurse - has to be one of the toughest jobs out there and very very needed. My hats off to you , I doubt I would last a month.
 

shakenbake

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lusciouslin33 said:
They were probably praying that the repairman was hot and had brought coffee.lol.

I have been in palliative care for numerous years now and it is unfortunate to see a large majority of us nurses that have become bitter, callous and cold.
For the work we do, the hours we put in and the greif we endure, we are not fairly compensated.
There are many situations where we work nine 12 hour shifts in a row, sometimes pulling a double in there as well due to shortages.
We deal with young doctors coming in that already think they are God, yet still look to us for guidance without giving us kudos..
We have union reps that do nothing for us until there is strike action or issues...
With all the negatives, and they are numerous, we also have our immense rewards.
The ability to make a difference...
The satisfaction of facillitating a family's transition through the grief..
The knowledge that we helped one person through something that they might have done alone.
So, like it has been mentioned many times in this thread, the importance of the job is all relevent.
Maybe if we all showed more appreciation for the people around us, regardless of their occupation or lack thereof, the ripple effect might happen and eventually everyone will feel appreciated, needed, respected and cherished.

You'd think I just sucked off Buddha with those sage pieces of wisdom pouring out of my mouth.lol.
You are an Angel! Thank God there are people like you in the world. :)
 

LancsLad

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lusciouslin33 said:
They were probably praying that the repairman was hot and had brought coffee.lol.

I have been in palliative care for numerous years now and it is unfortunate to see a large majority of us nurses that have become bitter, callous and cold.
For the work we do, the hours we put in and the greif we endure, we are not fairly compensated.
There are many situations where we work nine 12 hour shifts in a row, sometimes pulling a double in there as well due to shortages.
We deal with young doctors coming in that already think they are God, yet still look to us for guidance without giving us kudos..
We have union reps that do nothing for us until there is strike action or issues...
With all the negatives, and they are numerous, we also have our immense rewards.
The ability to make a difference...
The satisfaction of facillitating a family's transition through the grief..
The knowledge that we helped one person through something that they might have done alone.
So, like it has been mentioned many times in this thread, the importance of the job is all relevent.
Maybe if we all showed more appreciation for the people around us, regardless of their occupation or lack thereof, the ripple effect might happen and eventually everyone will feel appreciated, needed, respected and cherished.

You'd think I just sucked off Buddha with those sage pieces of wisdom pouring out of my mouth.lol.


While I'm no Buddha my wisdom is transferable orally.

I agree on the nurses call. Years back when I was in hospital for a long time, some in ICU isolation it was the nurses that made the difference. I'm not saying all nurses are saints, there are some just going thru the motions, but a compassionate and friendly nurse goes a long way to helping people at that most fragile of times.
 

Esco!

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petitelover said:
With over 27,000 posts you are overworked and I vote to have Sheik and Fred up your salary! Hell, double it! Hmm, does 2 x 0 = 0?
No silly, that equals $20
Where the fark did you go to schoool?? :rolleyes:
 

Sergei

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Here is an interesting article that may change some minds:


Doctors Are The Third Leading Cause of Death in the US, Causing 225,000 Deaths Every Year


This article in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) is the best article I have ever seen written in the published literature documenting the tragedy of the traditional medical paradigm.

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This information is a followup of the Institute of Medicine report which hit the papers in December of last year, but the data was hard to reference as it was not in peer-reviewed journal. Now it is published in JAMA which is the most widely circulated medical periodical in the world.

The author is Dr. Barbara Starfield of the Johns Hopkins School of Hygiene and Public Health and she desribes how the US health care system may contribute to poor health.

ALL THESE ARE DEATHS PER YEAR:

* 12,000 -- unnecessary surgery
* 7,000 -- medication errors in hospitals
* 20,000 -- other errors in hospitals
* 80,000 -- infections in hospitals
* 106,000 -- non-error, negative effects of drugs

These total to 225,000 deaths per year from iatrogenic causes!!

What does the word iatrogenic mean? This term is defined as induced in a patient by a physician's activity, manner, or therapy. Used especially of a complication of treatment.

Dr. Starfield offers several warnings in interpreting these numbers:

* First, most of the data are derived from studies in hospitalized patients.
* Second, these estimates are for deaths only and do not include negative effects that are associated with disability or discomfort.
* Third, the estimates of death due to error are lower than those in the IOM report.

If the higher estimates are used, the deaths due to iatrogenic causes would range from 230,000 to 284,000. In any case, 225,000 deaths per year constitutes the third leading cause of death in the United States, after deaths from heart disease and cancer. Even if these figures are overestimated, there is a wide margin between these numbers of deaths and the next leading cause of death (cerebrovascular disease).

Another analysis concluded that between 4% and 18% of consecutive patients experience negative effects in outpatient settings,with:

* 116 million extra physician visits
* 77 million extra prescriptions
* 17 million emergency department visits
* 8 million hospitalizations
* 3 million long-term admissions
* 199,000 additional deaths
* $77 billion in extra costs

The high cost of the health care system is considered to be a deficit, but seems to be tolerated under the assumption that better health results from more expensive care.

However, evidence from a few studies indicates that as many as 20% to 30% of patients receive inappropriate care.

An estimated 44,000 to 98,000 among them die each year as a result of medical errors.

This might be tolerated if it resulted in better health, but does it? Of 13 countries in a recent comparison, the United States ranks an average of 12th (second from the bottom) for 16 available health indicators. More specifically, the ranking of the US on several indicators was:

* 13th (last) for low-birth-weight percentages
* 13th for neonatal mortality and infant mortality overall
* 11th for postneonatal mortality
* 13th for years of potential life lost (excluding external causes)
* 11th for life expectancy at 1 year for females, 12th for males
* 10th for life expectancy at 15 years for females, 12th for males
* 10th for life expectancy at 40 years for females, 9th for males
* 7th for life expectancy at 65 years for females, 7th for males
* 3rd for life expectancy at 80 years for females, 3rd for males
* 10th for age-adjusted mortality

The poor performance of the US was recently confirmed by a World Health Organization study, which used different data and ranked the United States as 15th among 25 industrialized countries.

There is a perception that the American public "behaves badly" by smoking, drinking, and perpetrating violence." However the data does not support this assertion.

* The proportion of females who smoke ranges from 14% in Japan to 41% in Denmark; in the United States, it is 24% (fifth best). For males, the range is from 26% in Sweden to 61% in Japan; it is 28% in the United States (third best).
* The US ranks fifth best for alcoholic beverage consumption.
* The US has relatively low consumption of animal fats (fifth lowest in men aged 55-64 years in 20 industrialized countries) and the third lowest mean cholesterol concentrations among men aged 50 to 70 years among 13 industrialized countries.

These estimates of death due to error are lower than those in a recent Institutes of Medicine report, and if the higher estimates are used, the deaths due to iatrogenic causes would range from 230,000 to 284,000.

Even at the lower estimate of 225,000 deaths per year, this constitutes the third leading cause of death in the US, following heart disease and cancer.

Lack of technology is certainly not a contributing factor to the US's low ranking.

* Among 29 countries, the United States is second only to Japan in the availability of magnetic resonance imaging units and computed tomography scanners per million population. 17
* Japan, however, ranks highest on health, whereas the US ranks among the lowest.
* It is possible that the high use of technology in Japan is limited to diagnostic technology not matched by high rates of treatment, whereas in the US, high use of diagnostic technology may be linked to more treatment.
* Supporting this possibility are data showing that the number of employees per bed (full-time equivalents) in the United States is highest among the countries ranked, whereas they are very low in Japan, far lower than can be accounted for by the common practice of having family members rather than hospital staff provide the amenities of hospital care.

Journal American Medical Association July 26, 2000;284(4):483-5
 

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Strongbeau said:
What petitelover actually meant was "Strongbeau and I were at Roommates during 'straight man' school." That's why we flunked out.



Sure he did:rolleyes:
 

Aardvark154

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Sergei said:
Here is an interesting article that may change some minds:


Doctors Are The Third Leading Cause of Death in the US, Causing 225,000 Deaths Every Year
On the U.S. side of the border one of the biggest changes in the past five years has been the enactment by a fair number of states of "its ok to be sorry" laws where a physician expressing remorse to the family for the patient's death and their role in it, can't be turned around and used against them in a medical malpractice lawsuit.

Where such laws have been enacted there has also been a reduction in the number of Medical Malpractice Lawsuits, since many families aren't looking so much for monetary damages as they are for an admission of responsibility, open discussion of what went wrong and why, and some indication that the physician has learned from the experience.
 

Sergei

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Doesn't that just support the establishment and absolve them from all (real) responsibility for their crimes? Only punitive damages can clean up this mess.
 
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