More than half of Canadians believe Conservative economic plan not a success: poll

[JohnLarue]

Again a nonsensical spiel. Who controls 75% of the oil industry Exxon, Shell, BP? They are state owned.

No they are not. All three are publicly traded companies

You also fail to mention that so many oil companies that are privately owned, have gone under worldwide including Alberta have gone under.

That happens in a free market economy where the taxpayer does not have to assume the risk
Please think about that

Profits are all that matter to oil companies.

That is why they exist. To make a return for their shareholders

Look at Occidental and the environmental catastrophe that they caused in Ecuador.

Oil is a messy business.
It is the oil companies best interest not to cause environmental disasters. It reduces the litigation costs
they may very well have billions of dollars of liabilities in Ecuador.
Perhaps you might be pleased that a Canadian government controlled firm is not being prosecuted in Ecuador or Brazil

So there are good and bad sides to every coin, I do not know why you Conns don't get that into your thick skulls.

Perhaps we know that government & business need to be separated.
Oil is a risky business
Governments do not make good operators & it is inappropriate for governments to take risks with our tax dollars
Why you can get that through your thick skull is mystifying

As for the 407 I use it when I have to. But I feel sorry for average residents that have to leave home around an hour early everyday to make the long commute. You right wingers give a damn about the average Canadians even if they contributed to the 407 but cannot afford it.

I have no control over what other people can or can not afford.
This is not a nanny state.

Unfortunately for you nanny states do not work well

 

[bver_hunter]

No they are not. All three are publicly traded companies



That happens in a free market economy where the taxpayer does not have to assume the risk
Please think about that


That is why they exist. To make a return for their shareholders


Perhaps we know that government & business need to be separated.
Oil is a risky business
Governments do not make good operators & it is inappropriate for governments to take risks with our tax dollars
Why you can get that through your thick skull is mystifying



I have no control over what other people can or can not afford.
This is not a nanny state.

Unfortunately for you nanny states do not work well

Off course I know that Exxon, Shell and BP are privately owned. That's why I asked the question. The 75% of oil monopoly is state owned like Saudi Arabia, Russia, Iran etc. Do you think that the 407 Construction would have been undertaken by a private enterprise in the first place? That is why the Provincial Government have to continue with the construction from Pickering Eastwards. It will be toll free. No doubt if have a conn government they will hand it on a plate to the private enterprise as well. Off course you do not care about the average Canadian but sob deeply when oil companies go under with the price of oil tanking and you lose on your energy stocks. I say that- I will be ecstatic if it drops to $20.

 

[JohnLarue]

Off course I know that Exxon, Shell and BP are privately owned.

No they are not privately owned. All three are publicly traded companies XOM, RDSA & BP
Look them up !

That's why I asked the question. The 75% of oil monopoly is state owned like Saudi Arabia, Russia, Iran etc.

You need to ask more questions
70% of the reserves are owned by the state controlled entities, mostly Saudi Arabia & Russia, Venezuela, Iran

Now which of those governments did you want to emulate?

Do you think that the 407 Construction would have been undertaken by a private enterprise in the first place?

Hard to say really

That is why the Provincial Government have to continue with the construction from Pickering Eastwards.

Of coarse she will, she spends taxpayers money without a second thought

It will be toll free. No doubt if have a conn government they will hand it on a plate to the private enterprise as well.

It would not be worth a whole lot if it is toll free
Does the maintenance obligation come with that ?

Off course you do not care about the average Canadian but sob deeply when oil companies go under with the price of oil tanking and you lose on your energy stocks. I say that- I will be ecstatic if it drops to $20.

That is the reaction of a 12 year old
If it drops to $20 I will be buying more

perhaps if the provincial liberals had shown some restraint they might have a manageable debt load they could build it toll free

 

[bver_hunter]

No they are not privately owned. All three are publicly traded companies XOM, RDSA & BP
Look them up !

Okay they are not State Owned
You need to ask more questions
70% of the reserves are owned by the state controlled entities, mostly Saudi Arabia & Russia, Venezuela, Iran

Now which of those governments did you want to emulate?


I don't know what your problem is. If you look at the Saudi Oil Companies, you will realise how well it is managed. They pay good wages and are very productive. Gas prices in Saudi Arabia is around 14 cents per litre. Compare the price in Canada. At least their citizens are not complaining about how cheap gas prices are.

Hard to say really


Of coarse she will, she spends taxpayers money without a second thought
So if she does not build it, who will?

It would not be worth a whole lot if it is toll free
Does the maintenance obligation come with that ?

Who do you think funds the 401 for it's maintenance?
That is the reaction of a 12 year old
If it drops to $20 I will be buying more
So will all of us buy more gasoline if it becomes that cheap. Does that make us all 12 year olds??????;
perhaps if the provincial liberals had shown some restraint they might have a manageable debt load they could build it toll free

Your daily rant at the Liberals.

 

[HenrySenior]

watching the conservative part of Canada declining!


A majority of Canadians — 52 per cent — don’t believe the federal Conservatives’ plan for the economy has been a success, a new public opinion poll by Forum Research finds.
Known as the Economic Action Plan, Conservative Leader Stephen Harper’s government has invested heavily promoting the policy, which has as one of its key features the goal of balancing the federal budget.
The action plan also calls for a low tax approach aimed at creating jobs and growth.
The Forum poll, conducted Sept. 9 and 10, found that fewer than one quarter (23 per cent) agree the action plan has been a success. Twenty five per cent of respondents don’t know if it’s been a success, the poll found.
“This is one case where the government’s reliance on massive advertising campaigns didn’t have the desired effect,” Forum president Lorne Bozinoff said referring to the Conservatives’ efforts to promoting their action plan.
“They have spent literally hundreds of millions of dollars advertising the benefits of t he Economic Action Plan, all, seemingly, to no visible effect,” he added.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/...rvative-economic-plan-not-a-success-poll.html

The Liberal Toronto Star forgot to tell what percentage of Canadians believe Justin Trudeau's economic plan will work. (It of course forgot also to mention how many Canadians trust NDP's Balance Budget if they got elected.)

 

[MattRoxx]

More from the Star
Harper continues to lie about the economy

His has been a “decade of dismal economic growth compared to the economic performance under every government from 1946 through 2014,” write economists Jordan Brennan and Jim Stanford. Just because both work for a union, Unifor, does not make them less credible than the gods on Bay Street.
Economic growth in recent years has been a “serial disappointment,” said Stephen Poloz, the governor of the Bank of Canada. “Atrocious,” he said of the first quarter of this year. Since then, we have slipped into a recession, which Harper waved off as just “a couple of weak months.”
The Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, the Paris-based international organization dedicated to economic growth, has revised Canada’s GDP growth down to 1.1 per cent this year and 2.1 per cent next year.
Unemployment is worse than in the United States, 7 per cent to about 5 per cent.
The dollar is down, by nearly a quarter, compared to the U.S. dollar. “Harperbuck” is way weaker than the 1962 “Diefenbuck” under John Diefenbaker, then Conservative prime minister, when it slipped to 92 cents.
The rich are getting richer, the poor poorer. Such inequality is not only unconscionable but a drag on the economy. Even the International Monetary Fund and other pillars of conservative economic orthodoxy have conceded that. As American Nobel-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz has argued in recent years, the greater the inequality in a country, the slower its economic growth.

 

[JohnLarue]

Your daily rant at the Liberals.

every day they throw away millions of our tax dollars in Ontario

 

[JohnLarue]

More from the Star
Harper continues to lie about the economy
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Jim Stanford is a bought & paid for economist who works for Unifor (CAW).
He is well spoken & can make a compelling argument

However he has an agenda before ever looking at the numbers

 

[bver_hunter]

every day they throw away millions of our tax dollars in Ontario

The Conservatives screwed up in Alberta. They got tossed out of office. Harpo is next, before he wastes billions on the F35.

 

[bver_hunter]

Jim Stanford is a bought & paid for economist who works for Unifor (CAW).
He is well spoken & can make a compelling argument

However he has an agenda before ever looking at the numbers

Brilliant article. Harper has added $182 billion to the debt. So suck it up. Harper inherited a $13 billion surplus and created a debt within a couple of years. He has the worst growth record. Even with the price of oil going up $2 today, the Canadian dollar continues to slide. You can go and kiss his backside, as you are not going to glorify his pathetic record. Maybe you are one of the lucky ones getting richer as the poor are getting poorer. Pathetic.

 

[red]

This is your post that I replied to,...



I commented on the sale of shares,...nothing else,...don't go all footer on me.

If one can NOT quote what the governments paid for the shares,...commenting on what they were sold for,...is meaningless,...

Plus,...the government actually is still in business with GM and Fiat,...in the form of on going collection of taxes from GM and Fiat,...and feeder companies,...plus well paid workers income tax.

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PS: I apologize for using the footer insult,...doesn't apply to you,...yet.

They got the shares as part of the package of investment in the car companies. They lost 3.5 billion on the transaction. So there was no profit. In any case the government took all of the sales price on the shares into revenue. The cost was booked in prior periods.

 

[JohnLarue]

Brilliant article. Harper has added $182 billion to the debt. So suck it up. Harper inherited a $13 billion surplus and created a debt within a couple of years. He has the worst growth record. Even with the price of oil going up $2 today, the Canadian dollar continues to slide. You can go and kiss his backside, as you are not going to glorify his pathetic record. Maybe you are one of the lucky ones getting richer as the poor are getting poorer. Pathetic.

Get off your high horse.
Judging without any giving any consideration to the worst economic crisis in 80 years or any consideration to the change in world economic growth shows how sound your judgement is.
Explicit action was taken to soften the blow. Who knows, perhaps your job was saved ??

Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it
Then who will you blame ?

 

[bver_hunter]

Get off your high horse.
Judging without any giving any consideration to the worst economic crisis in 80 years or any consideration to the change in world economic growth shows how sound your judgement is.
Explicit action was taken to soften the blow. Who knows, perhaps your job was saved ??

Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it
Then who will you blame ?

Keep on blaming the recession. If a Liberal Government came out with the same record and under the same circumstances, no doubt you and the rest of the Conns would have had a field day lashing at the Liberals pathetic record.

 

[guelph]

Justin is going to try and spend his way out of this economic downturn. That kind of action always fails in the end.

Stevie Blunder created a deficit out of a surplus with no benefit to Canada.

The liberal plan is build infrastructure which desperately needed. This will put money in the hands of Canadian businesses and workers who hopefully will pay their taxes and grow the economy

 

[guelph]

Get off your high horse.
Judging without any giving any consideration to the worst economic crisis in 80 years or any consideration to the change in world economic growth shows how sound your judgement is.
Explicit action was taken to soften the blow. Who knows, perhaps your job was saved ??

Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it
Then who will you blame ?

We would not have survived the economic crisis as well had Stevie Blunder been in office when the banks wanted deregulation. Thank God the liberals had the sense to say no. Your buddy Stevie Blunder was against the liberal polices.

 

[JohnLarue]

Stevie Blunder created a deficit out of a surplus with no benefit to Canada.

The liberal plan is build infrastructure which desperately needed. This will put money in the hands of Canadian businesses and workers who hopefully will pay their taxes and grow the economy

And what happens when Justin stops the deficit spending after three years?
Back to the natural global growth rate and another $30-50 B in debt?

Dumbest plan yet, unless he can somehow alter Canada's resourced based economy in three years, which is just not possible

 

[FAST]

They got the shares as part of the package of investment in the car companies. They lost 3.5 billion on the transaction. So there was no profit. In any case the government took all of the sales price on the shares into revenue. The cost was booked in prior periods.

Once again footer,...OH I'm sorry,...red,...they did NOT lose 3.5 billion on the sale of the shares,...
My posts have ONLY been discussing the sale of shares,...do you not understand what that means,...???
You have been stating the gov. lost money when it sold the shares,...they did NOT.

Let me explain this to you,...when shares are sold for more than what they were bought for,...a profit was made,...if you need more help with that,...I'm here to help you.

And let me help you understand how the big picture works,...a gov. helps out an industry to make sure it survives,...to enable it to collect taxes from the businesses,...and the well paid employees, that would then still have a job.
Not for a day,...but for the foreseeable future.

I realize that socialists never look at the long term,...and don't understand that wealth must be created,...before it can be spent,...but that has always been their down fall,...hasn't it.

FAST