Modi scolds Trudeau over Sikh protests in Canada against India

[Frankfooter]

Cognitive dissonance occurs when someone presents indisputable facts that challenges your originally stated position. I have not stated that the Gujarat riots did not happen or even that Modi as CM was not responsible. Infact my exact quote was "Modi was responsible as leader and should take ownership".

Therefore you referencing my quote in this context is irrelevant.

I have stated my position on why I oppose anti-Indian news outlets such as the BBC.

Irrelevant.

Adding in your own personal opinions only cements the claim that you don't listen to your own advice.

Trashing news sources is basically saying, "The facts are inconvenient for me and they cause cognitive dissonance".

 

[DesRicardo]

Lol, that is funny tampering with Trudeau's plane. Did he take a pair of pliers and cut the wires? Trudeau's plane has broken down many times before. He asked Modi and Modi rejected those allegations. But you have to persist with diplomacy. Not say "Oh well, I asked and he said no". lol.

Wouldn't doubt Modi personally doing it.

It's not an allegation, it's an investigation first. What does Modi have to hide?

 

[DesRicardo]

It is an allegation per the Canadian govts official position. Trudeau's verbatim comment was that there are "credible allegations". If it is an investigation he should have waited. Isnt it SOP to not comment during an investigation?

Waited? For what? It's a murder investigation. If you have a credible allegation (Yes, I trust US intel) you act on it. What exactly is there to wait for?

And Trudeau did wait. It's India that doesn't want to comply and threw this whole smoke screen of Khalistani terrorists.

Very defensive for a government that claims they have done no wrong.

 

[Frankfooter]

Irrelevant. My personal opinions on the BBC and your statement on my cognitive dissonance are unrelated.

You use the word 'irrelevant' when you know you are wrong and have no answer.
Your views on the media are as relevant to this discussion as mitch's love of FOX.
All it does is establish and confirm your personal bias, not the station's.

All we've done here is establish that you trust Modi over the US and Canadian governments, that you think Sikh separatists are terrorists for actions nearly 40 years ago, that you don't think Hindu nationalist actions that were similar were terrorism or that previous terrorism would reflect on the present day Hindu's, that you claim to be Christian yet don't promote Christian values, that you have negative views of Sikhs and Pakistanis and that you support killing Canadians based on views pushed by the Indian government. That you are an immigrant that supports violence against other immigrants based on foreign issues.

 

[Darts]

He did. He literally asked privately in person during his trip.

Then Modi started acting all funny with the 'Bharat' titles and imo tampered with Trudeau's plane.

Or they politely asked for assistance, didn't get it and went public.

A rational person would think that India should be concerned an Indian citizen was murdered in a foreign country and offer any assistance possible to find and prosecute the murderer(s). It appears Modi and India are doing nothing helpful at all.

 

[DesRicardo]

You either have proof or you don't. In Trudeau's case he did not have proof, he only had an allegation and an ongoing investigation.

So he should have persisted through diplomatic channels than pursuing this through the court of public opinion.

India has zero obligations in this case to cooperate with the Canadian government who made an accusation against India, expelled a diplomat etc. That is not asking politely.

If Canada wants they can share specific information with India which India can react to. Otherwise they can work on it on their own and present evidence for their claims. Failing which, they would have failed.

No, it's an investigation. If the investigation leads you in a direction you follow it. The accusation was made by the US. Canada is just following the lead and didn't accuse anyone, only asked for assistance.

It's up to the Indian government to co-operate and assist in the investigation. They are not obligated, but that's a pretty crooked and questionable move to not help investigate a murder.

Why would they release key information on an unsolved case, especially to a government that openly won't co-operate?

And honestly, if Canada asks India about any involvement in an assassination and India's response is "fuck him, he's a terrorist", That basically saying yes we did it.

 

[Frankfooter]

You either have proof or you don't. In Trudeau's case he did not have proof, he only had an allegation and an ongoing investigation.

This statement is false.

You do not know whether Trudeau and the US have proof or not.
They both say the do and raised this allegation with Modi personally.

 

[Frankfooter]

It is Canada's investigation. Not India's investigation. So it is really Canada's headache.

India provided Canada with a dossier in 2018. Not in 2023. So India had already provided Canada evidence of why Nijjar is a terrorist and asked them to act on it and they just sat on it and did nothing because it was politically inconvenient to do so (Trudeau and NDP get lots of these Sikh votes in Canada so they won't do anything so as to not alienate their voter base).

CSIS looked at the report from India and didn't think it was legit enough to act on.
Which means India did not have proof of any terrorism from Nijjar.

Why is India refusing to aid this investigation if they are innocent?

 

[DesRicardo]

It is Canada's investigation. Not India's investigation. So it is really Canada's headache.

India provided Canada with a dossier in 2018. Not in 2023. So India had already provided Canada evidence of why Nijjar is a terrorist and asked them to act on it and they just sat on it and did nothing because it was politically inconvenient to do so (Trudeau and NDP get lots of these Sikh votes in Canada so they won't do anything so as to not alienate their voter base).

Now that someone bumped Nijjar off, Trudeau in order to get ahead of the story, publicly accused India in parliament while an apparent investigation was ongoing, painting himself into a corner with no proof.

So asking India to "cooperate" now isn't going to cut it. So it is up to Canada to present India with something they can react to.

The "fuck him, he is a terrorist" is MY opinion. I completely support neutralizing terrorists.

That's fine if it's Canada's investigation but if India doesn't want to assist, then we have to come to a conclusion. They most likely did it.

As I said before, there is a process here, we have laws. India has no concrete evidence he's done anything, it won't hold up. There's other ways to do this, you don't just go murder him on your own.

And lets be honest, it's the Indian's government fault for the recent rapid Khalistan traction. They tried to screw over Indian farmers which provided the separatist movement an issue to tag along with.

Murdering people on foreign soil won't cut it either. India is way out of bounds.

 

[Frankfooter]

The contents of those things could possibly be proof, but we havent seen any of it yet.

Yes, they could have proof which makes your claim false.
Thank you

 

[Frankfooter]

India does not have to assist a country that tried to publicly name and shame without proof. In any case, it is Canada's investigation. A Canadian citizen was murdered on Canadian soil by someone. No one knows who.

The Five Eyes may know who or who ordered it.

 

[Frankfooter]

a) There is no CSIS comment that they did not think it was legit to act on. However there is tons of evidence that the Canadian govt. wont act because of political convenience. See Terry's documentary.
b) CSIS is an incompetent agency as evidenced by their inability to prevent terror attacks both in Canada and India perpetrated by Canadian citizens, despite Indian warnings.
c) India has no obligation to aid a country that publicly accused them in an attempt to name and shame. It is Canada's headache now.

There is no evidence that India's dossier was convincing or trustworthy.

 

[Frankfooter]

Unless proof is actually presented, there is objectively no proof that India did it. "Could have proof" isn't proof. That is an allegation. An allegation needs to be proven.

This is what you said earlier.

You either have proof or you don't. In Trudeau's case he did not have proof, he only had an allegation and an ongoing investigation.

You made an allegation without proof and now have backed down.
You claimed JT did not have proof.

Try sticking to the facts.

 

[Frankfooter]

What you think of it is immaterial. I posted contents of the dossier here on this thread as well. The only one who has been wrong on the issue of these Khalistanis so far is Canada.

Then you have proven that there is no evidence linking Nijjar to terrorism, if that's all the proof you think there is.

 

[Frankfooter]

Yes and he still does not have proof. He hasn't produced any.

You should stick to the facts.

Take your own advice.
You claim he has no proof but have already admitted that he may indeed have proof.

 

[Frankfooter]

Did you read the article I posted with the contents of the dossier that India provided Canada? Here it is again. This is proof that he was a terrorist.

Murdered Khalistani Terrorist Had Ordered Attacks In India, Intel Shows

Murdered Khalistani separatist Hardeep Singh Nijjar, a designated terrorist in India, was allegedly involved in crime since the 1980s and had connections with local goons from a young age, a detailed dossier says.

www.ndtv.com

Did you read that this is the third international Sikh assassination in a month?

Nijjar killed: Pakistan to UK to Canada, 3 among wanted separatists are dead in little over a month
His killing in Canada’s Surrey follows that of Khalistan Commando Force chief Paramjit Singh Panjwar, alias Malik Sardar Singh, in Pakistan on May 6.

 

[Frankfooter]

"May have proof" is me being gracious.

That does not mean he actually has any proof.

My statements are consistent.

No, you admitted he may have proof then stated he did not have proof.

 

[Frankfooter]

What did you expect? You live by the sword you die by the sword.The sentence you posted itself shows they are terrorists dirtbags leading the Khalistan Commando Force lol. Did you think these guys were law abiding innocent citizens without any rivals? Its probably how Nijjar was killed. By another rival faction.

So you not only admit that India is assassinating Sikhs, you also cheer for their killing including the killing of a Canadian Sikh.
And yet you still claim that Modi couldn't have done it.

Amazing.

 

[Frankfooter]

Quote me where I said India is assassinating Sikhs? Resorting to dishonesty, trolling and gaslighting. Is this what you have come to Frank? lol.

I said these guys were probably killed by rival factions. Not the state of India.

'Rival forces'
The rival forces to the Khalistani movement is the Modi government.

And yes I do support neutralizing terrorists.

You mean you support assassinating people based on unproven allegations.

Again repeat after me - Khalistanis are Sikhs. Sikhs are not Khalistanis. Calling Sikhs Khalistanis is racist.

Are the 3 people Sikhs or not?

 

[Frankfooter]

New development.

Just like there are "credible allegations" of India's involvement in Nijjar's death, there now appear to be "credible rumours" that sniffer dogs found Cocaine in Trudeau's plane and that Trudeau was too stoned to come out of his plane for 2 days.

‘Absolutely false’: Justin Trudeau denies flying to G20 in plane full of cocaine

‘Troubling example of how disinformation can make its way into media reporting’

www.independent.co.uk

Old development.
This accusation was made 5 days ago and then dropped because its ridiculous and the accuser isn't trustworthy.

ED raids former Indian diplomat on suspicion of 'line of credit' fraud | India News - Times of India

India News: The Enforcement Directorate has raided premises of a retired senior Indian diplomat, Deepak Vohra, after his alleged involvement was revealed in a 'li

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

A more nuanced analysis of this issue is here:

The Deep Roots of the India-Canada Diplomatic Rift

The murder of Hardeep Singh Nijjar is just the latest episode in a complicated relationship that has been marked by fundamental differences in the countries' values and priorities.

www.lawfaremedia.org