Million Immigrants in 2022 - Thanks Fidel

[krealtarron]

which is not relevant to the changes made by Adman Hussian
again you are number noodling with the post-change system
having a prior job offer use to be valued much much higher than 15 points out of 416

can you not read a chart?
Ave 260 to 270 k during the Harper years and then it increased to over 300K in 2015 when the fool came to office and has been higher (save the lock down period)
492K in 2021 to 2022

you are comparing 2021 to 2021 when both are years of excessive immigration vs history
and both years are a result of the same watered down points system

try reading your own source



this is well in excess of previous levels of immigration
explain how the govt can plan to increase immigration while simultaneously making the application criteria harder ?
they can not plan for the number of applicants to increase , they do not control that

they do however control the points system

you are taking out of your ass because you do not think

Yes immigration levels have increased, but that is PRECISELY the goal. And you know how you increase immigration by simultaneously making the application criteria harder? You tell people you will let more people through, thereby significantly increasing the number of applications.

How many applications went in during the Harper years? Vs today? 5.2M applications in 2022. What was it during Harper years? Heck 5.2M applications in 2022 was DOUBLE that of 2021.

So let us do some simple math just in the last 2 years, keeping the point system the same which it has been between 2021 and 2022.

2021: 405,000 admitted / 2.6M applications = ~16% admittance rate.
2022: 437,000 admitted / 5.2M applications = ~8.4% admittance rate.

Now can you give me the number of applications that went in, say 2015? We know the number of immigrants admitted were around 250K. I cant find the number of applications.

So you can clearly see how a candidate in 2021 had lesser chances in 2022. It will get even more difficult going forward, with young, educated and people who are already in Canada with job offers already, being prioritized vs people from outside. And those are the people we want.

 

[krealtarron]

Base upon reading the link...it seems the median passing is 600. out of 1200 points...no? Thanks btw.

It depends on the draw. They do a draw every 2 weeks I think. The score that is picked, anyone with or above that score qualifies to apply.

My friends immigrated in 2017 from the US, and they had a draw of 430 back then. Today it is 484 and I have seen draws higher than 550.

 

[richaceg]

Is English or French really important in order to pass these threshold? I've come across some guys in my field who can't speak english...

 

[krealtarron]

Is English or French really important in order to pass these threshold? I've come across some guys in my field who can't speak english...

One, or the other, or both. They need to submit an english language test and score in a certain band. I think they call it CLB level 7 minimum.

 

[rngn69]

Is English or French really important in order to pass these threshold? I've come across some guys in my field who can't speak english...

For Express Entry, yes, you gotta show proficiency in English or French. But for Family sponsorships and asylum its not required. Perhaps the people you came across were sponsored by a member of their family who lives in Canada or they came here seeking asylum.

 

[krealtarron]

For Express Entry, yes, you gotta show proficiency in English or French. But for Family sponsorships and asylum its not required. Perhaps the people you came across were sponsored by a member of their family who lives in Canada or they came here seeking asylum.

A lot of the ubereats guys that cant speak English usually are from the middle east, so am assuming some of them came here as refugees.

 

[jalimon]

Is English or French really important in order to pass these threshold? I've come across some guys in my field who can't speak english...

I am in Quebec and in my field good luck to find a job if you do not speak English

 

[krealtarron]

I am in Quebec and in my field good luck to find a job if you do not speak English

I thought French was required in Quebec.

 

[JohnLarue]

Bingo! Welcome to Canada!

bingo you are so confused

 

[krealtarron]

bingo you are so confused

 

[JohnLarue]

Base upon reading the link...it seems the median passing is 600. out of 1200 points...no? Thanks btw.

and how does that compare with the number of points in a video game
or
the optimum points from Loblaw's

if i have 1201 optimum points can I bring in grandma & grandpa from the old country ?

the value of points is determined by the criteria of the points system

 

[Rose11]

Do we need Spanish ?

 

[krealtarron]

and how does that compare with the number of points in a video game
or
the optimum points from Loblaw's

if i have 1201 optimum points can I bring in grandma & grandpa from the old country ?

the value of points is determined by the criteria of the points system

Honestly, you are one of the dumbest people I have come across on this board lol. Like the only thing for you is that you hate Trudeau and everything he does is wrong. Its funny

You have no idea what you are talking about when you say "criteria of points system", when the point system clearly and primarily favors the criteria of Age, education, work experience, job offers and english speaking ability. Which is what we need!

 

[jcpro]

What almost everyone is forgetting is that we live in a highly advanced society- socially. Our country demands that services like healthcare, welfare, etc. are available to ALL residents on demand. We are not set, our system is not set up for the rapid increase in population. It cannot even transition from the low speed(like during covid) to regular operations. It will need a massive expansion based on the tax base that is simply not there.

 

[JohnLarue]

QUOTE]I know this will fall on deaf years and be useless as you will stick your head in the sand instead of saying "Yeah my bad I got that one wrong". [/QUOTE]

so are you going to admit you got this one wrong ?

if not you had better explain how the number of applicants impacts your score of 416

you would get 416 whether 2 million or 10 million applied

while you are removing your head from your ass, explain comparing 2021 to 2022 is relevant when the changes were made in 2018 ?

next time remain civil and you might actually learn something

 

[krealtarron]

you would get 416 whether 2 million or 10 million applied

Yes, but the more people apply, the more the people that are in front of you. Let us assume a pool of 10 people with the following scores: 410, 416. 420, 439, 444, 455, 455, 466, 500, 550. If the draw is 484, as it was this time, then the only 2 people will qualify from the pool of 10. The next draw say is 450, then 3 people will. See what I mean? Smaller the pool, better your chances of getting selected at some point. If now there are 20 people in the pool, then you have that many more people in front of you with higher scores than you. Now add in the complication that with every passing day, more and more applications come in, you have more and more people being added to the pool with scores higher than you so you will perpetually be in a wait list in the pool unable to get selected.

Now you may say, what if a whole bunch of people with lower scores get added to the pool. That wont happen because the number of immigrant work visa workers in Canada is increasing as well, which automatically means that they go to the front of the line. Similarly people moving from the US (people on H1Bs) is increasing as well. So Canada is primarily getting young, educated, westernized immigrants, which is exactly what we want.

 

[JohnLarue]

]Honestly, you are one of the dumbest people I have come across on this board lol. Like the only thing for you is that you hate Trudeau and everything he does is wrong. Its funny

actually it is far from funny , it is down right heart breaking
Justin Trudeau is the worst thing that has ever happened to Canada

You have no idea what you are talking about when you say "criteria of points system",when the point system clearly and primarily favors the criteria of Age, education, work experience, job offers and english speaking ability. Which is what we need!

you be the one lacking in the understanding
pretending the point system was not watered down is disingenuous
the results do not lie & are independent of the volume of applicants
get that through your thick skull & start thinking objectively

 

[richaceg]

What almost everyone is forgetting is that we live in a highly advanced society- socially. Our country demands that services like healthcare, welfare, etc. are available to ALL residents on demand. We are not set, our system is not set up for the rapid increase in population. It cannot even transition from the low speed(like during covid) to regular operations. It will need a massive expansion based on the tax base that is simply not there.

Definitely a factor...remember that any immigrant family of 4 or 5 can also sponsor parents grandparents that could contribute to pressure on our hospitals and clinics...and based on people I know most relatives in the medical field chooses to head to the US instead of here for better pay....

 

[krealtarron]

Definitely a factor...remember that any immigrant family of 4 or 5 can also sponsor parents grandparents that could contribute to pressure on our hospitals and clinics...and based on people I know most relatives in the medical field chooses to head to the US instead of here for better pay....

The PGP program is controlled via a lottery system. There are people waiting for the last 10 years to get their parents here. And there is a medical requirement. So if you have a chronic condition, you will be medically inadmissible. Last year I think they invited like 20,000 people, which is not much considering the number of immigrants were 437,000.

 

[jcpro]

I think that you should refrain from this kind of posting. This may be a pooner board with lots of animosity, but most of us make an effort to stay civilized.