Microsoft's Chinese workforce, too tired to stay awake

Cinema Face

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I say bullshit as well.

First of all, the Chinese often sleep on the job during breaks and idle time. It doesn’t mean that they’re overworked.



Second of all, yes they work all day for 50 yuan (about $8.25 a day) but that much money will feed the family for a week. It’s all relative according to purchasing power. So they’re not necessarily underpaid.

Here’s a pic I took of a guy sleeping in his shop in the market. This was taken in Zhengzhou, Henan, China.
 
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Who sleeps on the job? I don't go to work and decide to take a nap half through my shift. If employees are told to take naps during their shift then they must be working way too many hours in a day, plus not everyone in the photo is sleeping. I say the story has some truth to it.
 
FYI: In a nutshell... A quick recap of the Labour Laws for employees in the People's Republic of China:

  1. Labourers shall work for no more than eight hours a day and no more than 44 hours a week on the average.
  2. The employer shall guarantee that its labourers have at least one day off a week.
  3. Overtime is permitted, on a voluntary basis and at a rate of 150% of their normal wage, but shall be limited to no more than 36 hrs/ month.
There are also state mandated statutory holidays, sick leave, and they have also recently implemented laws governing improper dismissal/ severance packages and retirement savings plans...

On the subject of wages:

  1. There ARE minimum wage standards with reference to cost of living, dependents, economic condition in their area, productivity, etc
  2. They are paid in the local currency and on a monthly basis and cannot be deducted or with held for any reason.
There are also provisions for Stat holidays, leaves for marriage or mourning, and to participate in social activities in accordance with law.

Any of this sound at all familiar????


I could go on... but why bother. Those of you who wish to believe otherwise are welcome to your opinion, but things are changing in a BIG way in China... you can either choose to accept it, or deny it, but its happening regardless.
 

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China factories break labor rules

By WILLIAM FOREMAN, Associated Press Writer
2 hrs 32 mins ago

GUANGZHOU, China
– Two factories that make Microsoft Corp. products in southern China violated overtime regulations and failed to properly register the use of workers aged 16 to 18, officials said Monday.
The problems at the plants in the city of Dongguan were initially raised last week by the National Labor Committee, a New York-based nonprofit that monitors the treatment of foreign workers by U.S. companies. The group alleged that the teen laborers worked long shifts and were not allowed to use bathrooms during working hours at the plants, owned by Taiwan-based KYE Systems Corp.
The factories make Webcams, computer mice and Xbox controllers for Microsoft, the world's biggest software company.
Investigators with Dongguan's human resources bureau said in a report that factories are allowed to hire workers between the ages of 16 and 18 as long as the laborers are registered with the authorities. The KYE factories had 385 such workers — most supplied by vocational schools — and 326 weren't properly registered, the report said.
Employees were also forced to work an excessive amount of overtime in March, clocking about 280 hours, the report said. Copies of the labor contract also weren't given to employees, the document said.
But officials said that based on interviews with workers, there were no restrictions against using the restroom during shifts. The report said the company's policy was to give workers 10-minute breaks for every two hours worked.
KYE Systems Corp. spokesman Lai Jin-hui told The Associated Press, "Assembly line workers are allowed to go to bathroom only if they report the need."
Lai insisted that factories did nothing wrong regarding overtime and had followed regulations that limit the workweek to 60 hours. But Lai acknowledged that the factories failed to properly register workers and would now fix the problem.
The human resources bureau report said the factories have been ordered to comply with the law and would be monitored closely.
Last week, Microsoft said it does quarterly onsite assessments and gets weekly reports from KYE about certain labor and safety criteria. The software maker said a team of independent auditors would visit the factories and monitor the situation pending results of its inspection.
 

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You can find workers asleep from exhaustion at North American factories too ...

Sometimes it is in manufacturing, often in security, and health care has issues as well.
Exhaustion or hangover?

OTB
 

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Last week, Microsoft said it does quarterly on site assessments and gets weekly reports from KYE about certain labor and safety criteria. The software maker said a team of independent auditors would visit the factories and monitor the situation pending results of its inspection.

I'm sure KYE tells them everything that goes on, ya right... Plus, when the Microsoft team comes, KYE will be on their best behavior, they will not show how a regular day at the plant actually occurs.

Lucky somebody leaked out these photos and now the company may change their ways a little. As long as large American companies like Microsoft pressure top guys to make more profit, the more we will hear stories like this one.
 

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I get my electronic designs manufactured in china. It costs me exactly 2x as much to get them made in USA. Component costs are 75% of the total cost, that means in the USA the labor costs are 5x what the chinese company is charging me. I am willing to burden upto 25% increase in production costs to make sure that the lowest workers are properly compensated and well treated. I do not know the conditions where my stuff is made, so I will bury my head in the sand and imagine that things are rosy.
 

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BULLSHIT!!!!!!

Whereas I am not so naive to assume that this sorta thing does not happen from time to time in some of the less scrupulous members of the supply chain, but not for a company as high profile as Microsoft. There is likely some sort of other explanation for that photo...

Social compliance in Chinese factories, although not up to North American standards, (it is a completely different standard of living... and therefore not comparable), it has grown on an exponential level in recent years. I work for an agency that produces product for the North American market and all of our factories have to go through routine random 3rd party audits to make sure its social standards are up to par. They are EXTREMELY STRICT, and factories must keep accurate documentation showing overtime hours, employee ages etc for every employee (sometimes well into the 10's of thousands) and everything is painstaking checked for infractions and forgeries. EVERYTHING is checked and rechecked... on an on going basis sometimes 3-4 times a year. Safety standards, employee conditions etc are all included... and if any infractions are discovered, you risk being "red listed" which is the kiss of death for any factory.
Me thinks he doth protest too much.

Too close to home there CG?
 

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There are certain places where there is actually NAP TIME, right after lunch. I think this might be the case here.
 

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Sometimes I think that there will come a day when Chinese workers wake the fuck up and realize that they are being exploited. Not just by us, but by their bosses and owners. They will get fed up with being human fodder and figure out that they need to do something, anything, to improve their working condidtions and remmuneration.

But then I think that they are just robots and have been conditioned to believe that they can't stand up for themselves and they lack the balls to orgainze against such oppression.

I also truly believe that as unions in North America fall away, North American employers will revert right back to 1910 again and workers here will be treated the same way as the Chinese.
 
Me thinks he doth protest too much.

Too close to home there CG?
Not at all... just sick of the BS from people who have never been and have no idea what they are talking about.

My business partner travels to China 4 times a year. We KNOW what the deal is, as opposed to people who THINK they know.
 

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Sometimes I think that there will come a day when Chinese workers wake the fuck up and realize that they are being exploited. Not just by us, but by their bosses and owners.
That happened in the 1940s but it took less than two generations for imperial style capitalism to take over once again.
 

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I also truly believe that as unions in North America fall away, North American employers will revert right back to 1910 again and workers here will be treated the same way as the Chinese.
I don't think it will happen like that, people who are aware of their options, as Canadian workers surely are, can only be exploited if they have no better option. A large percentage of Canadians could afford to quit their job, either because they live with their parents, they are close to retirement, their spouse has a good job, etc. When companies treat their workers badly here, the workers quit, and companies need workers. The only people who can get exploited are either people who take whatever they get without question, or people who are at the very bottom of the skill ladder, and don't have options.
 

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Allot of people don't have any better options. They would be the ones who get hit first by the race to the bottom.

Don't ever kid yourself.

I'm not a union boy by any means. In fact, I think in many ways they have become absurd now. However, as evil and stupid as the unions are, the owners are just as evil and absurd in the other direction. A good tug of war is fine by me to keep things in the center.
 

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It’s ridiculous to think that these workers are “passed out” due to over exertion. Instead it’s most likely that they are grabbing a nap during a break or some idle time.

The Chinese culture is different than ours. When they are idle, they grab some shut-eye regardless of where they are.

China needs to develop and the west likes our cheap goods. This is why China is the world’s factory.
 
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