Michigan Cop shoots non compliant motorist in head.

[unassuming]

Totally justified shoot, he'll be exonerated.
Dead guy played dumb and tried to flee.
He grabbed cop's Taser and resisted arrest.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

My only issue is, why was cop alone?

 

[poopypants]

BLM will get another house out of this one. lol

 

[poopypants]

Totally justified shoot, he'll be exonerated.
Dead guy played dumb and tried to flee.
He grabbed cop's Taser and resisted arrest.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

My only issue is, why was cop alone?

I think 2 cops in a car is in the movies, I never see 2 cops per car. My guess is a relatively small percentage of pullovers require back up. The ones that do often make the news.

 

[bazokajoe]

I think 2 cops in a car is in the movies, I never see 2 cops per car. My guess is a relatively small percentage of pullovers require back up. The ones that do often make the news.

Agree. The city I live in is small(50,000) and never see 2 cops in a cruiser unless they are training a rookie.

 

[Nathan 88]

It looks like a totally justified shooting in my opinion.
This is not like a lot of the other shootings where police abused their authority and were subsequently charged with a criminal offense.
There won’t be any major protests happening here.

 

[poker]

The cop failed to control the situation. He should have made the guy get back in the car…

 

[poopypants]

The cop failed to control the situation. He should have made they get back on the car…

Yeah you're right, I'm sure he would have obeyed him lol. I guess you missed the part where he said stay in your car. The dude controlled his own destiny, he chose wrong. His buddy sure sounded upset.

 

[poker]

Yeah you're right, I'm sure he would have obeyed him lol. I guess you missed the part where he said stay in your car. The dude controlled his own destiny, he chose wrong. His buddy sure sounded upset.

I saw that. The cop gave up on that part too soon and engaged him.

 

[tml]

Two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[Hands95]

No one in their right mind can call that a good shoot after watching that video. Situation did not call for deadly force.

 

[unassuming]

No one in their right mind can call that a good shoot after watching that video. Situation did not call for deadly force.

Good shoot:

Dead guy was physically stronger
Taser could have been used against cop once suspect got a hold of it, suspect could then take cops gun and kill him
Deadly force justified

 

[GameBoy27]

Suspect doesn't obey the officer, resists arrest, tries to take the officers taser and refuses to let go of it when asked repeatedly. If he gets ahold of it, there's nothing stopping him from tasing the officer, grabbing his gun and killing him. I say in this case, the officer was justified in using deadly force.

Now for all of those who think the officer shouldn't have fired his gun, explain how you would've handled the situation. I'll be right back, just going to grab some ...

My only issue is, why was cop alone?

Probably as simple as they don't have the budget to put 2 officers in every car. Isn't "Defund the Police" what BLM calls for on a regular basis?

 

[squeezer]

It seemed like the guy would have eventually over powered the cop. The cop in my opinion didn't have much of a choice. My criticism lies in the lack of a faster response from back up. Add one or 2 more cops and the guy would still be alive.

 

[GameBoy27]

My only issue is, why was cop alone?

It seemed like the guy would have eventually over powered the cop. The cop in my opinion didn't have much of a choice. My criticism lies in the lack of a faster response from back up. Add one or 2 more cops and the guy would still be alive.

I totally agree. Hence my comment above with regard to defunding the Police. I suppose the officer could've tased him from the get-go, but people probably would've called that unnecessary use of force. Sometimes you just can't win. I sure as hell wouldn't want to be a Cop in the US, that's for sure.

 

[basketcase]

Good shoot:

Dead guy was physically stronger
Taser could have been used against cop once suspect got a hold of it, suspect could then take cops gun and kill him
Deadly force justified

Except the guy repeatedly tried to get away from the cop instead of using his strength against him.

I'm sure it will be found legally justified but we just met another idiot who has no business being a cop. Learning to control a scene without escalating should be one of the basic requirements of the job.

And a bullet to the back of the head instead of trying to create distance should definitely be examined.

 

[basketcase]

...

Now for all of those who think the officer shouldn't have fired his gun, explain how you would've handled the situation. I'll be right back, just going to grab some ...
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From the start, give clear instructions for the guy. Even after realizing English wasn't the guy's first language, he didn't start giving any clear instructions until it was too late.
Second, when the guy went to the other side of the car, pretty obviously to get his licence as asked for, the cop should have just observed and continued giving clear instructions.
Third, when the guy eventually ran, they had his car and passenger so could have easily just called for backup instead of engaging in force.
When trying to tackle the guy and realizing he was too strong (or the cop was too poorly trained to affect an arrest) he should have called for backup.
After deploying the taser without effect, he should have backed up to create space to act.

If you just look at the last instant when they were fighting over the taser, the actions seem reasonable but any competent cop would never have let it get there.


From a guy who used to train cops:

 

[Valcazar]

It always amazes me just how common the authoritarian mind set is for some people.

 

[xix]

Why the victim got pulled over?

 

[poorboy]

Except the guy repeatedly tried to get away from the cop instead of using his strength against him.

I'm sure it will be found legally justified but we just met another idiot who has no business being a cop. Learning to control a scene without escalating should be one of the basic requirements of the job.

And a bullet to the back of the head instead of trying to create distance should definitely be examined.

You've never been in a real fight before.

I can tell that from your armchair analysis.

 

[poopypants]

..
From the start, give clear instructions for the guy. Even after realizing English wasn't the guy's first language, he didn't start giving any clear instructions until it was too late.
Second, when the guy went to the other side of the car, pretty obviously to get his licence as asked for, the cop should have just observed and continued giving clear instructions.
Third, when the guy eventually ran, they had his car and passenger so could have easily just called for backup instead of engaging in force.
When trying to tackle the guy and realizing he was too strong (or the cop was too poorly trained to affect an arrest) he should have called for backup.
After deploying the taser without effect, he should have backed up to create space to act.

If you just look at the last instant when they were fighting over the taser, the actions seem reasonable but any competent cop would never have let it get there.


From a guy who used to train cops:

I'll go with the version in the video.