#metoo abuse case

[Jenesis]

rape is bad. if 1/3of women have been raped and half of them fall apart or kill themselves then 1/6 of women currently non funtional.
I expect your right and rape is devastating and the 1/3 number is visiblable not correct.

I know a guy who was was accused this year. ironic because he was ano sex until your married guy. anyway he told her if they were alone for safety he would record there interactions. she ageed. forgot over time and accused him . recording saved him. no consequences for her however. still he saved 10 years.

You really think little of women.

Rape is trauma but not automatically suicidal trauma. And what is “fall apart”. So the women is in therapy for a couple of years but that means non-functional.

Women are a lot more resilient then you are giving them credit for.

And I am sorry but I don’t buy the “story” of your “friend”

 

[Not getting younger]

You really think little of women.

Rape is trauma but not automatically suicidal trauma. And what is “fall apart”. So the women is in therapy for a couple of years but that means non-functional.

Women are a lot more resilient then you are giving them credit for.

And I am sorry but I don’t buy the “story” of your “friend”

Everyone is different, handles and processes stuff differently. Also I imagine what kind of support networks they have around them. What kind of therapy or how much they can afford. Etc and so on.

Some people “fall apart” ( good question btw) after divorce. Start drinking a little too much. 5 years later are raging alcoholics….

Point being.
I’m a guy, when “me to” first got rolling, we talked about it at work. The thought of some co-worker after a night out derailing my life. It’s not pleasant.

Doesn’t come close to the train wreck rape often is.

 

[dirtyharry555]

How many men are sitting in jail or have a criminal record because they didn't have CCTV or personal recording of their interactions with a woman?

 

[angrymime666]

What she did was wrong. What she did should come with a consequence of more than simply 9 months. She has destroyed someone’s life.

But how this is a #metoo abuse case is beyond me.

Not every women lies about sexual assault just like not every guy is out raping women.

however, the damage has been done and more than likely will continue to cause damage. men no longer mentoring women, no longer willing to ask women out, no longer wanting to be in a room alone with them without a 3rd person, loosing interest in dating fearing allegations.

there no room for chance when it comes to men and false allegations. even if you win your case you loose both personally and financially. real stigma is being called a pedo or rapist. that shit doesnt go away just because you are found not guilty.

unfortunately believe all women is upheld by culture. women and children are a protected class. men being dead last and automatically assumed guilty before innocent. its fucked up on so many level how men are seen as less than and disposable.

 

[escortsxxx]

actually that was my point. The previous poster claimed

You really think little of women.

Rape is trauma but not automatically suicidal trauma. And what is “fall apart”. So the women is in therapy for a couple of years but that means non-functional.

Women are a lot more resilient then you are giving them credit for.

And I am sorry but I don’t buy the “story” of your “friend”

well there is a recirding of her how she was going to falsely accuse him on of rape unless money. So that's pretty clear cut. he would be in jail otherwise.
police heard the evidence and the matter was over. she should have been charged but that's another issue.
mind you the fact he is a minority group probably played a factor.


as for falling aoart I was being lightly sarcastic based on the other poster saying jail time for being innocent is not near as bad as rape for women since they fall apart.

certainly some do but so do people being held against there will.

 

[dirtyharry555]

it's a difficult balancing act, because you don't want to suppress real claims. But, at the same time, you need to punish anyone who falsely accuses someone of a crime like this or domestic violence. Even if you are exonerated, there will be people who will believe the allegations. I bet this dude will have trouble getting employed because the first thing people will see when they google his name is the accusation or conviction, not the fact he was framed....

What balancing act?

Somebody making a claim as serious as rape with zero evidence shouldn't result in a charge.

Document it, record it, note it, follow up on it, for future reference. But you can't send people to jail and destroy their lives on a whim.

If someone can just voice a claim and that means automatic guilt, we might as well have street justice. We're supposed to be better than that.

The balancing act is men shying away from interactions because of the gross imbalance of institutional power based on gender.

Short of that, every dude should begin even minor interactions with "by the way, this is all being recorded for my protection. Any false accusations you make will be used against you in a court of law".

 

[onomatopoeia]

yada, yada...

hard to know but we know that 1 in 20 confess to crimes they didn't commit ..so its possible that 1 in 20 is the magic number of false accusations. using the same methodology as the 1/3 of women are raped we get a huge number but that methodology is badly flawed.

I doubt the accuracy of this statistic, for several reasons.

1) There is no accurate way to calculate unreported rapes.

2) This statistic would necessarily include all cases where a woman reported that she had been raped, the accused was tried, and the verdict was not guilty. In those cases, a rape may or may not have occurred, but there was either insufficient evidence to convict, or there was some element of unreliability associated with the alleged victim's evidence and/ or testimony.

3) It IS possible that one out of three women may have responded 'Yes' to an anonymous poll asking them if they had ever been sexually assaulted, but that's very different from '1/3 of women are raped' from your quote. The difference between the two would include any respondents who did not answer truthfully, or any who personally define sexual assault differently from the criminal code.

There are some women who think that any assault perpetrated by a person of one gender against a person of another gender constitutes a sexual assault. There are some women who 'feel' that they have been sexually assaulted in they overhear a dirty joke, or if a man calls them fat, or if they saw a movie about a rape victim, and they sympathize with the actress. Some women feel that they have been sexually assaulted if they hear a gangsta rap song, or an Andrew Dice Clay monologue, or if they see a Jello pudding advertisement with Bill Cosby in it. One woman accused a gynecologist of sexual assault because she didn't like the expression on his face during a pelvic examination.

Sexual assault and rape are two very different things. All rapes are sexual assaults, but not all sexual assaults are rape. If Arnold Schwartzenegger squeezes a woman's buns at a cocktail party, he has not committed rape. In some cases, the poll may include 'sex with regret' as a subset of sexual assault.

 

[onomatopoeia]

These older laws are interesting. Gives you an insight into how people thought and lived back in the day.

A hundred years ago in Canada, a man could be sentenced to life in prison for being the 'top' in a homosexual act. It was not a crime to be the 'bottom'. Usually there were no charges if both parties were consenting adults, but that was largely at the discretion of the local policy department, or the location where the act took place.

 

[escortsxxx]

A hundred years ago in Canada, a man could be sentenced to life in prison for being the 'top' in a homosexual act. It was not a crime to be the 'bottom'. Usually there were no charges if both parties were consenting adults, but that was largely at the discretion of the local policy department, or the location where the act took place.

and in 1969 25 years for homsexual sex ended.

Trudeau's bill became law in 1969, decriminalizing homosexuality in Canada, but Klippert wasn't released from jail until July 1971. He died in 1996 at the age of 69.

, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced Klippert would be given a full pardon

 

[onomatopoeia]

and in 1969 25 years for homsexual sex ended.

Trudeau's bill became law in 1969, decriminalizing homosexuality in Canada, but Klippert wasn't released from jail until July 1971. He died in 1996 at the age of 69.

, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced Klippert would be given a full pardon

In 1965, Everett Klippert was charged with and convicted on four counts of gross indecency after voluntarily admitting to police that he had recently engaged in consensual homosexual acts with four different men. He had previously served four years in prison after having been convicted on eighteen counts of gross indecency. A court-ordered psychiatrist assessed Klippert as "incurably homosexual", and Klippert was sentenced to "preventive detention" (that is, indefinitely) as a dangerous sexual offender. He was released in July, 1971.

If the NDP every won a Federal election, they'd probably put his face on a postage stamp or a three dollar bill, or a parkette in the Church-Wellesley neighbourhood might be renamed after him.

 

[Ceiling Cat]

"why would she lie about something like that? She has no reason to make up something like that up. She has nothing to gain."

People do all sorts of things for attention.

Munchausen Syndrome :

Some people actually make themselves sick in order to get attention of medical professionals, some mothers even make their children sick ( Munchausen by proxy ) to get attention that they are caring mothers.

Munchausen Syndrome

WebMD explains the causes, symptoms, and treatment of Munchausen syndrome, a disorder in which a person repeatedly acts as if he or she has a physical or mental illness when he or she is not really sick.

www.webmd.com

 

[Not getting younger]

I doubt the accuracy of this statistic, for several reasons.

1) There is no accurate way to calculate unreported rapes.

2) This statistic would necessarily include all cases where a woman reported that she had been raped, the accused was tried, and the verdict was not guilty. In those cases, a rape may or may not have occurred, but there was either insufficient evidence to convict, or there was some element of unreliability associated with the alleged victim's evidence and/ or testimony.

3) It IS possible that one out of three women may have responded 'Yes' to an anonymous poll asking them if they had ever been sexually assaulted, but that's very different from '1/3 of women are raped' from your quote. The difference between the two would include any respondents who did not answer truthfully, or any who personally define sexual assault differently from the criminal code.

There are some women who think that any assault perpetrated by a person of one gender against a person of another gender constitutes a sexual assault. There are some women who 'feel' that they have been sexually assaulted in they overhear a dirty joke, or if a man calls them fat, or if they saw a movie about a rape victim, and they sympathize with the actress. Some women feel that they have been sexually assaulted if they hear a gangsta rap song, or an Andrew Dice Clay monologue, or if they see a Jello pudding advertisement with Bill Cosby in it. One woman accused a gynecologist of sexual assault because she didn't like the expression on his face during a pelvic examination.

Sexual assault and rape are two very different things. All rapes are sexual assaults, but not all sexual assaults are rape. If Arnold Schwartzenegger squeezes a woman's buns at a cocktail party, he has not committed rape. In some cases, the poll may include 'sex with regret' as a subset of sexual assault.

Truth.

Some things to consider though.

2) Tried but found not guilty. Not guilty does not mean innocent. There could also be a ton of rapist that walked. We all know, that historically police/courts have failed women. It’s one reason, so very few come forward. Hence ultimately “me to”…cause and effect.

We could argue, make a decent case that as is normally the case the pendulum has swung too far “left”. See also family law. For decades women/mothers just getting shafted. The pendulum swings too far….

But, for myself, for the time being. The consequences the other way. Far outweigh it.

 

[Not getting younger]

How many men are sitting in jail or have a criminal record because they didn't have CCTV or personal recording of their interactions with a woman?

How many women are dead ( either directly or indirectly) suffering from numerous mental health disorders, addicts, criminals themselves now etc and so on.

Because a “man” or a boy that wasn’t raised right. Raped one

 

[Not getting younger]

Also consider this and some post back I alluded to when I said “imagine that”.

Me, I consider the odds of having someone falsely accuse me ( as unpleasant as it is) extremely, and I do mean extremely remote. I don’t worry about it at all.

women?
Afraid to go jogging in the wee hours. Walk a dog in the wee hours. Walk across a shopping plaza parking lot at night. Afraid to go to bars and have something slipped in a drink…..

if you find and obviously many here do, the possibility unsettling. You’re still not in their reality.

 

[onomatopoeia]

Truth.

Some things to consider though.

2) Tried but found not guilty. Not guilty does not mean innocent. There could also be a ton of rapist that walked. We all know, that historically police/courts have failed women. It’s one reason, so very few come forward. Hence ultimately “me to”…cause and effect.

We could argue, make a decent case that as is normally the case the pendulum has swung too far “left”. See also family law. For decades women/mothers just getting shafted. The pendulum swings too far….

But, for myself, for the time being. The consequences the other way. Far outweigh it.

Criminal law is all about evidence. Guilty means that the evidence is sufficient to conclude that the accused committed the crime, beyond reasonable doubt. The purpose of our legal system as it is structured is NOT to convict people accused of committing crimes. Its purpose is to ensure that someone who is not guilty is not convicted. In the court of public opinion, the burden of proof rests with the accused. That's the dangerous aspect of #metoo. It's not as if everything posted on Twitter is 100% factual.

If you do not have first hand knowledge of all evidence, you are not qualified to even have a valid opinion as to whether an accused is guilty or not. Based on your own testimony in this thread, however, I have formed the opinion that you, most definitely, eat quiche.

Some people feel that if a woman reports to the police that she was raped, someone should go to jail. If the wrong person is convicted, they justify that for themselves by thinking 'he probably did something that he got away with'. Police show complainants mug shot photos of citizens who have been arrested. Those photographs include many people who have never been convicted of a crime; either their trial is still pending, or charges were later dropped, or the accused was found not guilty, but did not apply to the RCMP to have the mug shots destroyed. Also bear in mind that certain police officers will arrest anyone if they respond to a 911 call, and the caller wants to have charges laid. This is based on their socialization, rather than the law, but many of them don't know the difference. In fact, if a police officer with minimal seniority has the primary goal of earning as much money as possible, arresting someone who cannot possibly be convicted is the best way to accomplish this:

There are four possibilities:

a) The accused committed the crime, and pleads guilty at arraignment.

b) The accused committed the crime, and pleads not guilty.

c) The accused did not commit the crime, but pleads guilty.

d) The accused did not commit the crime, and pleads not guilty.

b) and d) cases usually go to trial. c) should receive mental health support. b) might change their plea to guilty after reviewing the evidence against them. d) might agree to forgo trial if charges are dropped, but that's less likely if the accusation if false.

If a case goes to trial, the arresting officer will appear at court, and receive a full day of pay, whether or not they testify as a witness. Often police officers will coordinate their off days to match trial schedules. A rookie cop would not normally have many opportunities for overtime pay; those higher on the union seniority list would take it.

In addition, if the detective who files charges does not request jail time in the event of conviction, the accused does not qualify for free legal counsel at trial.

I know this because it happened to me. Before the trial began, the Crown prosecutor flipped through the evidence disclosure with his thumb and index finger, and said to me "Looks like we've got enough to convict". Half way through my cross examination of the first witness, he offered to have charges dropped. I eventually won acquittal defending myself without having to present my defence case.



You would probably enjoy reading this thread:

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/deceiving-your-sex-partner-would-be-a-crime-under-new-york-bill.743481/

which is also the last time I had any discussion with JessicaRainesis.

Pandering to emotion is part of trial lawyers' and litigators' dog and pony show, but it has no place in legal decisions. That's why Justice is Blind.

 

[Not getting younger]

Criminal law is all about evidence. Guilty means that the evidence is sufficient to assume that the accused committed the crime, beyond reasonable doubt. The purpose of our legal system as it is structured is NOT to convict people accused of committing crimes. Its purpose is to ensure that someone who is not guilty is not convicted. In the court of public opinion, the burden of proof rests with the accused. That's the dangerous aspect of #metoo. It's not as if everything posted on Twitter is 100% factual.

You would probably enjoy reading this thread:

https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/deceiving-your-sex-partner-would-be-a-crime-under-new-york-bill.743481/

which is also the last time I had any discussion with JessicaRainesis.

Pandering to emotion is part of trial lawyers' and litigators' dog and pony show, but it has no place in legal decisions. That's why Justice is Blind.

I understand that. Are you denying that historically police have failed to do their jobs? I imagine most crowns need good cases? Am I wrong?

And as a result,
it’s one reason many women don’t come forward? Which would change the statistics too with respect to “reported sexual assaults”…You’re allowed your opinion on that. Just curious where you stand on that.

Because it seems you willfully ignored it, as your reply didn’t remotely touch on that. Which if I’m honest I find kind of…um….curious.

Sometimes it’s the things people say. Sometimes it’s the things they don’t.

 

[Not getting younger]

Nicely played (not) . All kinds of personal attacks. You know what they say when someone does that……

You really made it clear you’re a bigot and misogynist. I can do that too you know.

And quite clearly, you don’t have the grey matter to understand that a male dominated police force historically didn’t do their jobs. Resulting in a lot of women not wanting to be shredded, victimized twice by defense lawyers…….just to see rapist get off. Yeah, your such an expert on the judicial system…not!

And, as a result women not reporting =skewed stats and “me to”.

show us how smart you are. Please

 

[onomatopoeia]

I understand that. Are you denying that historically police have failed to do their jobs? I imagine most crowns need good cases? Am I wrong?

And as a result,
it’s one reason many women don’t come forward? Which would change the statistics too with respect to “reported sexual assaults”…You’re allowed your opinion on that. Just curious where you stand on that.

Because it seems you willfully ignored it, as your reply didn’t remotely touch on that. Which if I’m honest I find kind of…um….curious.

Sometimes it’s the things people say. Sometimes it’s the things they don’t.

You quoted my post while it was still being edited.

This thread is about false accusations of rape. Everything you've written about 'reported sexual assaults' is irrelevant for THIS topic. I don't have enough facts to form a valid opinion on your topic. On this board, I post factual information, my own opinions, some obvious bullshit intended to amuse, or I repond to those who have quoted me . I have little to no interest in debating about opinions which differ from my own. I have more important things to do.

 

[Not getting younger]

You quoted my post while it was still being edited.

This thread is about false accusations of rape. Everything you've written about 'reported sexual assaults' is irrelevant for THIS topic.

Syntax here sucks. I’ll give you that much…

Topics always branch, or don’t you that understand either…The world is rarely black or white. Always a shade of grey. The more complex a topic, the more branches there will be…

I suppose in your narrow view of the world, you prefer to look at things simply, narrow, in a vacuum.

You’re crying about “me to”…I get that, I’m a guy too. But now also obviously you don’t care why Me to…the cause and effect.

To be crying about ME TO, without understanding why it came to be…or even trying to…

says things.

 

[onomatopoeia]

Nicely played (not) . All kinds of personal attacks. You know what they say when someone does that……

You really made it clear you’re a bigot and misogynist. I can do that too you know.

And quite clearly, you don’t have the grey matter to understand that a male dominated police force historically didn’t do their jobs. Resulting in a lot of women not wanting to be shredded, victimized twice by defense lawyers…….just to see rapist get off. Yeah, your such an expert on the judicial system…not!

And, as a result women not reporting =skewed stats and “me to”.

show us how smart you are. Please

I don't enjoy being trolled, so I've placed you on my Ignore list.