I think he did a great job and did what he needeed to do. I hope he gets a few weeks off now and takes his family on vacation
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Mayor Miller
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Lots of articles in the weekend papers about Mayor Miller. Toronto is one angry city but the unionists are happy and that's all the Mayor cares about.
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Most people have No clue about labour neggotations, how would others gone about it. Remembering we have labour laws and arbitration
Rockslinger said:Lots of articles in the weekend papers about Mayor Miller. Toronto is one angry city but the unionists are happy and that's all the Mayor cares about.
Most people have No clue about labour neggotations, how would others gone about it. Remembering we have labour laws and arbitration
Great job my hairy ass. What kind of world class city allows a garbage strike to consume most of it's summer.
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how would YOu of resolved the situation
to-guy69 said:Great job my hairy ass. What kind of world class city allows a garbage strike to consume most of it's summer.
how would YOu of resolved the situation
You mean "soon to be Ex mayor miller", don't you?
Miller needs to fix the garbage thing once and for all. Take the end date of the current contract, and annouce that starting on that day, garbage collection will be put out to tender. The city will no longer as of that date be directly in the garbage business.
Let the chips fall where they may, but he has to stand up and say "the city isn't going to pay caviar prices for McDonalds service"
Miller needs to fix the garbage thing once and for all. Take the end date of the current contract, and annouce that starting on that day, garbage collection will be put out to tender. The city will no longer as of that date be directly in the garbage business.
Let the chips fall where they may, but he has to stand up and say "the city isn't going to pay caviar prices for McDonalds service"
BoringBob said:You mean "soon to be Ex mayor miller", don't you?
Miller needs to fix the garbage thing once and for all. Take the end date of the current contract, and annouce that starting on that day, garbage collection will be put out to tender. The city will no longer as of that date be directly in the garbage business.
Let the chips fall where they may, but he has to stand up and say "the city isn't going to pay caviar prices for McDonalds service"
It won't happen as long as Bozo is the mayor.
Miller is a great disappointment. He lost the fight for the island airport and has not had a new idea since except to impose new taxes on cars and fuel the parking meter bandits who handed out tickets strike or no strike.
During the strike he should have gotten court injuctions to allow for swift delivery to the dump sites and in week three he should have brought in replacement workers.
The next step should be to phase in private garbage collection. Private firms should bid on the contract and the city collectors should take their sick days permanently.
We need a mayor with ideas and energy who will move the city forward. Miller is not the man. Neither is John Tory. Maybe Smitherman will run.
During the strike he should have gotten court injuctions to allow for swift delivery to the dump sites and in week three he should have brought in replacement workers.
The next step should be to phase in private garbage collection. Private firms should bid on the contract and the city collectors should take their sick days permanently.
We need a mayor with ideas and energy who will move the city forward. Miller is not the man. Neither is John Tory. Maybe Smitherman will run.
I don't think he did a great job, but he did an acceptable job and did most of what he wanted to do. He poorly managed the public's expectations in this strike, but overall I give him a C plus. He needed to stop the sick bank going forward for existing employees, let them keep what they have already earned, but no more going forward. If he did that I would have given him a B plus or A minus.
For those of you who criticize Miller without acknowledging any positives, you have no idea of the complexity of contract negotiations with such a large union group. He does deserve some credit. It's easy to be an arm chair critic behind a computer screen, but when you're on the hot seat in full public view, it's a whole new ball game.
For those of you who criticize Miller without acknowledging any positives, you have no idea of the complexity of contract negotiations with such a large union group. He does deserve some credit. It's easy to be an arm chair critic behind a computer screen, but when you're on the hot seat in full public view, it's a whole new ball game.
Mia.Colpa said:I don't think he did a great job, but he did an acceptable job and did most of what he wanted to do. He poorly managed the public's expectations in this strike, but overall I give him a C plus. He needed to stop the sick bank going forward for existing employees, let them keep what they have already earned, but no more going forward. If he did that I would have given him a B plus or A minus.
For those of you who criticize Miller without acknowledging any positives, you have no idea of the complexity of congract negotiations with such a large union group. He does deserve some credit.
Yeah, but....
There was no need for this strike. He should have just made this offer at the get go and avoided 39 days of shit building up around the city.
Let's face it, the one issue that we all truly were aware of was the garbage pick up. I'm all for privatizing it. Fire all existing garbage collectors and tender it out every 4 years. That way, next time there is a strike, the unions will have allot less leverage.
Most of us never even noticed for a nanosecond the other departments being off the job. But garbage? We all were well aware of that one.
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this is the only thing he could do to get rid of the sick days I get 24 a year
james t kirk said:Yeah, but....
There was no need for this strike. He should have just made this offer at the get go and avoided 39 days of shit building up around the city.
Let's face it, the one issue that we all truly were aware of was the garbage pick up. I'm all for privatizing it. Fire all existing garbage collectors and tender it out every 4 years. That way, next time there is a strike, the unions will have allot less leverage.
Most of us never even noticed for a nanosecond the other departments being off the job. But garbage? We all were well aware of that one.
this is the only thing he could do to get rid of the sick days I get 24 a year
Actually i think Mayor Miller was a disaster for toronto! he didnt listen to the people of toronto and what we had to say on alot of issues he pretty much had his own agenda! i guess the only people he actually listened to are the 1s who helped him get into office! Garbage strike was just the tip of the iceberg that shouldnt of went as long as it did, let see the real estate tax crazy let see the garbage tax crazy hmm let see the new bicycle lane on a major street is crazy, for the simple fact its gonna cuz chaos on jarvis! simple put he didnt listen to the masses he went on toronto is a great city yada yada yada he devalued toronto during his term! bottomline he gotta go, the worst major i'd say we ever had in the history of toronto! no doubt!
... and thats whats up!
... and thats whats up!
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sure there was No need for a strike and the people wanted to get rid of teh sick days how can one do that with a long strike?
marcusking said:Actually i think Mayor Miller was a disaster for toronto! he didnt listen to the people of toronto and what we had to say on alot of issues he pretty much had his own agenda! i guess the only people he actually listened to are the 1s who helped him get into office! Garbage strike was just the tip of the iceberg that shouldnt of went as long as it did, let see the real estate tax crazy let see the garbage tax crazy hmm let see the new bicycle lane on a major street is crazy, for the simple fact its gonna cuz chaos on jarvis! simple put he didnt listen to the masses he went on toronto is a great city yada yada yada he devalued toronto during his term! bottomline he gotta go, the worst major i'd say we ever had in the history of toronto! no doubt!
sure there was No need for a strike and the people wanted to get rid of teh sick days how can one do that with a long strike?
The biggest crisis going forward is that this city under Miller has become an economic basket case.
We are running defits every year since Chairman Miller has been elected and the debt is growing year after year.
Neither the Province or the Feds are going to come to Toronto's aid this year. They simply don't have the spare cash.
How is Chairman Miller and the rest of his merry socialists going to address this very very real and serious problem?
We are running defits every year since Chairman Miller has been elected and the debt is growing year after year.
Neither the Province or the Feds are going to come to Toronto's aid this year. They simply don't have the spare cash.
How is Chairman Miller and the rest of his merry socialists going to address this very very real and serious problem?
james t kirk said:There was no need for this strike. He should have just made this offer at the get go and avoided 39 days of shit building up around the city.
How do you know that for sure? I won't second guess anyone in these situations unless I was in that room during the negotiations and then I can make a comment with conviction.
Negotiations is a give and take process, each side started with their wish list and then give up a little. How do you know if Miller would have made the final offer at the start of negotiations and then the union would have wanted more knowing it's only their first offer? You don't show all your cards when you start, it's a process that you need to monitor and decide on your next move.
You may be right, but how do you really know the strike would have been avoided? I don't think it's that easy to make such a claim.
btw, I'm only commenting on Miller's performance in handling the strike as this is the topic of the thread, some of you guys are bringing other issues to the table about Miller.
buckwheat1 said:this is the only thing he could do to get rid of the sick days I get 24 a year
And two wrongs don't make a right with outlandish sick days. Most companies I dealt with had policies that permit the manager to allow 3 sick days provided their not taking advantage and that the workers performance is acceptable. This crap of many sick day given out and even banked defeats the original purpose.
I'm with eliminating the positions and hire a private company to perform the service. The contract can be issued on a yearly basis to the lowest bidder. This will keep tax costs down and provide for incentives to perform by knowing their contract depends on their performance and efficiency.
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usually all things are put on the table at the beginning of negotations by both sides thats how the union knew there were 100 pages of concessions that the city wanted. When this happens they then start to work both sides saying we agree or disagree with that. Now both sides know what are the main issues and teh sick bank was one the city should of grandfathered the sick bank right from the beginning and put there best raise forward and there would of been NO strike
Mia.Colpa said:How do you know that for sure? I won't second guess anyone in these situations unless I was in that room during the negotiations and then I can make a comment with conviction.
Negotiations is a give and take process, each side started with their wish list and then give up a little. How do you know if Miller would have made the final offer at the start of negotiations and then the union would have wanted more knowing it's only their first offer? You don't show all your cards when you start, it's a process that you need to monitor and decide on your next move.
You may be right, but how do you really know the strike would have been avoided? I don't think it's that easy to make such a claim.
btw, I'm only commenting on Miller's performance in handling the strike as this is the topic of the thread, some of you guys are bringing other issues to the table about Miller.
usually all things are put on the table at the beginning of negotations by both sides thats how the union knew there were 100 pages of concessions that the city wanted. When this happens they then start to work both sides saying we agree or disagree with that. Now both sides know what are the main issues and teh sick bank was one the city should of grandfathered the sick bank right from the beginning and put there best raise forward and there would of been NO strike
Mia.Colpa said:How do you know that for sure? I won't second guess anyone in these situations unless I was in that room during the negotiations and then I can make a comment with conviction.
Negotiations is a give and take process, each side started with their wish list and then give up a little. How do you know if Miller would have made the final offer at the start of negotiations and then the union would have wanted more knowing it's only their first offer? You don't show all your cards when you start, it's a process that you need to monitor and decide on your next move.
You may be right, but how do you really know the strike would have been avoided? I don't think it's that easy to make such a claim.
Because the Union boys gave Ferguson a standing ovation and treated him like a returning conquoring hero. I think even they were shocked that they came out of this so far ahead.
As such, I believe that their response to Ferguson demonstrates that it was a sweetheart of a deal and the Union knows it.
I guess you could make an arguement for "if you start out too high, they will just want more..." Perhaps. But a strike always costs.
Anyway, Miller gave away the store.
If it was me and the Union said, "we are going to end negotiations at midnight on Sunday" I would have said, "Knock yourself out"
If I was mayor, I simply would have hired private contractors to clean up the temporary dumps (like they did in Windsor) and starved the Union out (like they did in Windsor).
If the Union boys were being underpaid, or fucked over, I would feel sorry for them, but the fact is that they were not.
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