Maybe a hooker, maybe not. What would you have done in this scenario?

[great bear]

Perhaps Mcluhan's first name is Marshall. This is his 15 minutes of fame.

 

[eyeofthedragon]

The medium was his message

 

[great bear]

The medium was his message

Eye, in that case this thread is well done.

 

[fromtoronto]

Re: Just a few comments ...

as a woman and former provider I find that word hooker to be completely disrespectful and offensive .

Misty

The word is disrespectful and offensive? But you were a working girl? You went to be with men for money and you are here to berate others for using the word Hooker? Give it up and off the high horse, you dont deserve to sit there. We do not berate but actually pay for your company, so take a hike. Your comments are useless.

 

[Mcluhan]

Perhaps Mcluhan's first name is Marshall. This is his 15 minutes of fame.

Yes, that is why I chose the handle.... now ...here is the skill testing question. Is this pastime (posting) a "hot" or "cold" medium? lol

And if you can answer that one...what was it Marshall wrote on the famous note he stuck on the guy's window that frequently parked in his spot at UofT (he rode a bike to work)

 

[midLifeCrisis]

Re: Re: Just a few comments ...

The word is disrespectful and offensive? But you were a working girl? You went to be with men for money and you are here to berate others for using the word Hooker? Give it up and off the high horse, you dont deserve to sit there. We do not berate but actually pay for your company, so take a hike. Your comments are useless.

So it's your view is it, that the nature of their work disqualifies the girls from having either opinions or respect? Why are you a hobbyist, if you consider the business so dirty?

 

[red]

ignore the racist mysognist - his fly was open

 

[Asterix]

Re: Re: Re: Just a few comments ...

...because we pay for their company doesn't give you the right to use words that an SP may find disrespectful. Not a high horse just common decency. Besides the actual meaning of the word 'Hooker' describe women that the Union General John Hooker brought with him to supply comfort for his officers and men. These women were not paid, but were given shelter and food and one could say that General Hooker used the war to take advantage of these women and in fact most people of the time looked down on them for finding a cheap way out of the suffering of war. The women became known as Hooker's girls and over time it was extended as the derogatory name 'Hooker' to describe the practice of prostitution.

So ya she has ever right to be p.o. with that term.



bbk

Thanks for the history lesson, but the story that the word came into use to describe prostitution because of General Hooker, isn't true. The word was in use many years before the Civil War. That he may have popularized it's use, perhaps. That it is derogatory, absolutely.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=hooker

 

[Mcluhan]

Re: Re: Re: Just a few comments ...

[BThe women became known as Hooker's girls and over time it was extended as the derogatory name 'Hooker' to describe the practice of prostitution.

So ya she has ever right to be p.o. with that term.


bbk [/B]

Unleashing the dogs for a bit... this is about the oldest ‘saw’ on the boards. I think it comes down not to 'rights' but whether you are the type of person who will get in someone's face about the language they use. In other words take the time and the bother to pick a fight over something as borderline as this issue. There is a girl in NOW who advertises now and again offering herself as 'A SLUT" ...do these same people (who work in the trade) call her up and nag? LOL..I seriously doubt it...and if they do..she would probably tell them to 'shove it deary'. Some guys like to imagine they are banging a slut... (or a trailer park whore) she is marketing to them.

I have one friend in the trade whom I consider to be one classy girl. In our conversations over time she has sometimes used the term ‘ho’ to describe another working girl she may be criticising. Do I object? No…because its her way of expressing herself.

The word PROSTITUTE used to be an evil term...in Hooker's day...now its a legal or clinical word for a girl who works in the Sex Trade.

Personally, I don't care if a girl refers to her clients as "JOHNS" in my presence...do you? It puts some guys off. The SP's use it all the time on the boards. Have you ever seen any one get in their face about it? Even once?? I haven't.

The girl in my story (which in my feeble mind is literature), was referred to as a "hooker" because it set the tone of the story...she was 'hooking' as far as I was concerned, in the context of what that words means to me (she was soliciting in other words). I did not BTW refer to Misty as a 'hooker' because she sees herself as a SEX PROVIDER...which is just fine by me. The fact that she got in my face about was in my opinion, over the top...in her opinion it was just good business...she was pasteurising the media with regard to her profession. But she was also grinding an axe because I presented the opportunity, in my humble opinion.

Was the book “The Happy Hooker� a derogatory title? You tell me…

I think intent is everything. In this case, Misty was struck by ‘Friendly Fire’ lol (sorry Babe!)

 

[n_v]

Oh get over it people. All this PC crap is absurd. The guys are johns and the women hookers. Euphonize it however you wish.

 

[WhOiSyOdAdDy?]

Oh get over it people. All this PC crap is absurd. The guys are johns and the women hookers. Euphanize it however you wish.

and tricks are not for kids

 

[n_v]

and tricks are not for kids

They are for the rabbit..

 

[Mcluhan]

This thread is weakening...maybe it just ran its course. I thought there would be more guys wanting to fess up to the time they choked! lol I was really hoping MTL-guy would come back to play...he's such an in-your-face type guy! lol

For instance, I can recall at least twice when airline HOSTESSES (not stewardesses you will note) came onto me in the back of an empty plane (I always sit behind the sixth last row)...and I was too busy to bother...now I look back and think, man..what were you thinking? Twit!

 

[n_v]

Oh I have a few Mcluhan .. just my mind is drawing a blank.

 

[drlove]

I still prefer the terms 'client' and 'escort / SP.'

 

[Mcluhan]

I still prefer the terms 'client' and 'escort / SP.'

Indeed! Whatever works. I believe that in all situations you should respect people, until they prove unworthy of that respect. Some ladies like to think of themselves as Courtesans..in this case, I will also think the same way. What I do not agree with, is the concept that JUST because you are paying for someone's time, and services, that it comes with a license to be rude to them...unless of course that is part of the bargain!

 

[Mcluhan]

Re: Politically correct ...

...... I judge not whether your a hooker or a john and my intent was not to weaken anyones credibility ! Misty

LMAO @ fromtoronto

I for one thank you for taking the time to write in on this important matter. Now, am I allowed to use the word 'hooker' when I describe someone in 'literature' or not? If my last name was Hemmingway, would you argue thusly?

I am watching the CBC annual Governor General's Performing Arts awards and director Eric Til makes a great statement, he said, "When offered a choice between history and mythology...take mythology." He was talking about portrayal of the arts. Somehow this connects...

The TV show NYPD blue commonly uses the word 'Pros' (rhymes with Floss)...are they in breach of social etiquette?

Misty, we are all in this together. If I cheapen you, I cheapen myself.

DESCRIPTIVE LINGUISTICS is such a marvelous subject. The Inuit have something like 100 words words for 'snow', so I am told.

 

[midLifeCrisis]

Oh get over it people. ... Euphonize it however you wish.

Make up your mind - if you have one.

 

[Mcluhan]

Re:

I couldnt agree more with this statement ... we are all in this together. If I cheapen you, I cheapen myself.

Perfect. Now moving forward from our point of mutual agreement, let's do some role play shall we? Pretend you are a man, with grey hair, sitting with a friend at a restaurant bar. You are a very experienced man with woman, both in and out of the business. A very young, very sexy girl sitting at the bar, with her suitor, turns in your direction, and on the sly gives you a very steamy, very invitational look, the come f*ck me look. Then she does it again. You weigh the situation and decide that its well over fifty one percent that you have just been solicited. You ask your self, is she a ________, or what?

What word springs your mind?


lol

 

[ToronToto]

Well Mcluhan, hopefully this will ease your conscience. I was at an "event" where a beautiful woman caught my eye. Small talk at first. I made a couple of bold (drunken) statements (can't remember exactly). I didn't have the issues that you presented; me with a colleague or her with a male friend.

Saw her for a couple of months. btw, she was a p/t SP.

So regardlessly of what one would rationalize, I'd say ... go for it.