And Dr. Tam just recommended wearing mask like two days ago. Since we are learning more and more about this virus daily, expect some recommendations to change over time.
So it is no recommended to wear one so wear one. What's the big deal?
Masks Work: So STFU and Wear A Mask
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So it is no recommended to wear one so wear one. What's the big deal?
I don't understand why it took so long. Wearing a mask seemed like a no brainer to me 2 months ago,
Also, why do they keep saying the mask does nothing to protect the wearer? They keep saying a mask keeps your shit from infecting other people, but it does nothing to stop other people's shit from infecting you.
I don't understand it either, it's the same material on both sides of mask.
When you breathe out or cough when wearing a mask, it's suppose to stop your droplets that contain the virus from venturing out. When you come into contact with someones breath or cough mist, the mask doesn't stop the droplets that contain the virus from penetrating through the mask material and infecting your mouth and nostrils?
Doesn't make sense.
It's a matter of degree. Masks don't offer any kind of long term protection (if they aren't real PPE level stuff.)
They reduce risk somewhat, but it isn't a huge amount. But since infection risk is dose related then at a population level with most contacts brief it knocks the transmission rate down some.
Think of it this way. With no restrictions, R0 was about 2.5 to start. (One infected person infected 2.5 people on average.)
Changes in behavior, avoiding crowds, lockdown, etc. knocks it down to 1.1 say. (I'm making that up to explain the point.). Wearing masks doesn't offer serious protection but now knows R down another few decimals to 0.8.
0.8 is less than one. That means on average each person infects less than one person. Once that happens, the virus starts to disappear.
That's all that is going on with all these measures. Each little bit pushes the rate a bit lower. If you can get it below 1 and keep it there, it fades away.
They reduce risk somewhat, but it isn't a huge amount. But since infection risk is dose related then at a population level with most contacts brief it knocks the transmission rate down some.
Think of it this way. With no restrictions, R0 was about 2.5 to start. (One infected person infected 2.5 people on average.)
Changes in behavior, avoiding crowds, lockdown, etc. knocks it down to 1.1 say. (I'm making that up to explain the point.). Wearing masks doesn't offer serious protection but now knows R down another few decimals to 0.8.
0.8 is less than one. That means on average each person infects less than one person. Once that happens, the virus starts to disappear.
That's all that is going on with all these measures. Each little bit pushes the rate a bit lower. If you can get it below 1 and keep it there, it fades away.
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I'll let the statistics and probabilities guide whether I wear a mask or not. Not some yahoo here on TERB.
Number of infections: 25,040
Number of deaths: 2,055
Number of tests: 568,500
Tested Infection Rate: 4.4%
Population of ON: 14,400,000
Population Infection Rate: 0.17% (170 per 100,000)
Population Death Rate : 0.014% (14 per 100,000)
I won't even go into how these statistics are further skewed by infections and deaths in long term care facilities.
Number of infections: 25,040
Number of deaths: 2,055
Number of tests: 568,500
Tested Infection Rate: 4.4%
Population of ON: 14,400,000
Population Infection Rate: 0.17% (170 per 100,000)
Population Death Rate : 0.014% (14 per 100,000)
I won't even go into how these statistics are further skewed by infections and deaths in long term care facilities.
It makes even less sense when your shit is only 1mm or less from the mask but the other person's shit is probably 3 feet away (unless you are playing tongue hockey with a woman).
BTW: Not one infection in China to-day.
BTW 2: Took my bike to Trinity Bellwoods this afternoon. Holy shit, all I saw was a mass of humanity (CP 24 said 10,000).
Do we know if China can be trusted to provide accurate information? Asking for a friend.
The only reason I can surmise is that they're trying to catch the people who invade others' space, don't shield their cough or sneeze into their elbow. The gross people.
I have a bias against people just accepting and spouting whatever they read as truth. If a person has an argument with true, vetted supporting back-up, I'll be the first one to listen. Unfortunately, people listen to the likes of Trump and the scared-y cat next door.
The time from masks would have been in March. I would have worn one without question due to all the unknowns. Instead the Government guessed and still kept letting people travel.
That is true. I naturally resist and I think that's a good thing. I resist probably on an equal basis to the people who just accept what others tell them without truly thinking it through.
FWIW, I did wear a mask today... I had to visit a small hardware store that I know is run by an old couple and frequented by elderly customers. I desperately needed what only they carry and I didn't want to stress them out as they are really nice people.
I wonder how many people in the "wear masks" crowd actually understand what you posted. I think there are more high school dropouts among TERB members than we think. Your numbers might as well be Arabic because it doesn't make any sense to them.
They were probably the "I hate math" or "I'm not good at math" types in school for the brief time they spent there.
Stay in school kids!
You can have the economy or you can have old people, but you cannot have both.
Yes, yes you can. Most old people will be just fine dealing with covid with a humming economy.
Who told you that it's one or the other? CNN? Did you fail at math?
The two are not mutually exclusive. The "old people " still control vast amounts of capital. Many politicians are seniors as well.
These articles do very little in painting the position of the 600+ medical specialists from a wide variety of medical fields in a bad light. A tiny smear thrown in does not discredit their position on covid.
Being members of AAPS kind of does.
But you are right - we should read the letter.
https://www.scribd.com/document/462319362/A-Doctor-a-Day-Letter-Signed
It's an argument that this should be considered a mass casualty event. It avoids excessive political language used by some of its signees in other interviews. The letter doesn't even call for an end to the shutdown. All very commendable.
If this was the opening to a debate on how best to deal with this, it would be perfectly acceptable. Instead, I expect it will be waved by Trump and he will claim "many doctors - thousands of doctors - say we have to stop all the lockdowns now".
But you are right - we should read the letter.
https://www.scribd.com/document/462319362/A-Doctor-a-Day-Letter-Signed
It's an argument that this should be considered a mass casualty event. It avoids excessive political language used by some of its signees in other interviews. The letter doesn't even call for an end to the shutdown. All very commendable.
If this was the opening to a debate on how best to deal with this, it would be perfectly acceptable. Instead, I expect it will be waved by Trump and he will claim "many doctors - thousands of doctors - say we have to stop all the lockdowns now".
I agree masks work but people want to politicize it, the left wear masks, the right don't. It's not about your political beliefs, it's about integrity. We should all wear masks until the science catches up or at least we get this under control with testing, proven treatment, and hopefully a vaccine.
You know someone is on shaky ground when their argument tells you to Shut the Fuck Up.
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I don't think it's political in the way that you just expressed it to be. I think that people of all political backgrounds find the lock down measures as a bandaid that won't stop the bleeding. You might get the impression that this belief is tied to left/right ideology if you watch CNN but it's not. Plenty of people on the left, right, and middle disagree with the lock downs.
Just because a bunch of TERB yahoos think that anyone opposed to the lockdowns is an inbred Trump supporter doesn't make it true.
