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Masks, do they really work?

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IM469

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And also, how come Ontario's curve seems unaffected since masks were made mandatory 6 weeks ago??
I answered this question before but in case it was missed and not ignored:

Most people and many stores had already made masks required long before it was legally mandatory. Most people who were familiar with the concept of basic medical science were wearing masks before it was mandatory.

While most people had acknowledged the validity of wearing face masks, the mandatory law was needed for those few who seemed to have a conceptual barrier of how the face mask works.

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Phil C. McNasty

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I answered this question before but in case it was missed and not ignored:

Most people and many stores had already made masks required long before it was legally mandatory. Most people who were familiar with the concept of basic medical science were wearing masks before it was mandatory.

While most people had acknowledged the validity of wearing face masks, the mandatory law was needed for those few who seemed to have a conceptual barrier of how the face mask works.

BTW: Love your girlfriend. :love:
I'd say before the mask mandate about 50% of people were wearing masks voluntarily. So if we then added another 50% (minus perhaps 1 or 2 percentiles who dont wear for medical reasons) we should see a 50% decline in new cases, and we're not seeing that.

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You are missing the point, if wearing masks prevents the spread of the virus then how come Greece's numbers are actually going up instead of down??

And also, how come Ontario's curve seems unaffected since masks were made mandatory 6 weeks ago??
Thats exactly what you simply do not understand, as it’s explained in my last post.
 

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I'd say before the mask mandate about 50% of people were wearing masks voluntarily. So if we then added another 50% (minus perhaps 1 or 2 percentiles who dont wear for medical reasons) we should see a 50% decline in new cases, and we're not seeing that.

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This is simply not a factual statement nor a proper way of thinking.
Again there are so many parts to limiting the spread of the virus that it’s irrational to assume we should see a 50% decline in the number of cases due to more people wearing masks.
 

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Masks only work if
1.) You are wearing it properly.
2.) Everyone around you is also wearing a mask
3.) You are wearing an appropriate mask.

The whole point of wearing the mask is to prevent YOU the mask wearer from potentially spreading the virus, knowingly or unknowingly. It reduces the chance of you inhaling it but not by a whole lot, which is why it is important that everyone wears a mask for it to be as effective as possible. When you exhale or sneeze, your micro droplets are caught and stuck onto the mask and not spread into the air, which can remain airborne for hours. So if you weren't wearing a mask carrying COVID-19, then you sneeze, those particles can remain airborne for that long, the next person walking past it (in a supermarket isle) they will have a higher chance of inhaling it which is how it can transmit. If you were wearing a mask with COVID 19 and you sneezed, your mask will have blocked off at least 50% if not more of those micro droplets drastically decreasing the virus from remaining airborne. As long as there are people who refuse to wear a mask, then the chances of transmission does not really go down.

This site seems appropriate to use this analogy. People wear condoms during sex to prevent spreading STDs and/or getting the girl pregnant. However, even with condoms, people are still getting Infected and girls are still getting pregnant.

This is just my opinion tho, since I'm no medical professional. lol
 
The confusion is there are N95 masks with and without values. I have an N95 with no valve, so while its a bit harder to breathe through, it protects both myself and others. It has a small filter in the middle which stops incoming but not the larger rounder more on side valve that lets outgoing virus pass.

N95s with and without values.
There are two kind of N95 masks are filtered mostly to protect the wearer from incoming virus but if it has a exhalation value it does not protect others. On the other hand surgical masks protect others.

More details:

The CDC says, “respirators with exhalation valves should not be used in situations where a sterile field must be maintained ...because the exhalation valve allows unfiltered exhaled air to escape into the sterile field.”

Masks and other face coverings have become as necessary as your smartphone or wallet when leaving the house amid the coronavirus pandemic.

But as people begin to ease back into public life, experts are warning that certain types of masks could actually be putting others at risk — and users should think twice before slipping them on.

In recent weeks, masks with small plastic valves embedded in the front have become the target of some health officials, who claim that while they may stop particles from reaching the wearer, they do little in the way of blocking what comes out of their noses and mouths.

“The valves actually make things a lot more comfortable because they make the mask a lot more breathable,” said Dr. Ali Raj, executive vice chairman of the department of medicine at Mass. General Hospital. “But they don’t do anything in terms of filtering out anything the wearer is exhaling.”

But, he said, doctors and nurses at Mass. General and Brigham and Women’s Hospital aren’t donning the protective gear with valves when handling patients during the coronavirus pandemic, and instead use a more standard N95 mask without them.

In a section on the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s website about personal protective equipment, officials say that an N95 respirator with an exhalation valve “does provide the same level of protection to the wearer as one that does not have a valve.”

However, the CDC says, “respirators with exhalation valves should not be used in situations where a sterile field must be maintained ... because the exhalation valve allows unfiltered exhaled air to escape into the sterile field.”

Raj said the valved masks are more widely used in industrial settings, or when doing things like woodworking or mowing the lawn. He said at Mass. General, health care workers will actually take a mask with a vent away from a patient when they come into the emergency department, and give them a different one instead.

“We essentially tell them they are not protecting any of us from what they are breathing out,” he said.

The warning from health experts doesn’t just apply to N95 masks with one-way vents. According to Dr. Atul Gawande, a surgeon at Brigham and Women’s Hospital and professor at Harvard Medical School, certain cloth masks being sold online that feature circular plastic vents on the front also can be a problem.

On Sunday night, Gawande tweeted that he has been targeted by online advertisements for such “evil” valved masks, coverings he said provide "'breathability’ when you exhale by releasing your breath and its contagion-carrying respiratory droplets.”

In San Francisco, these types of masks don’t comply with an order to wear face coverings when in certain public settings, according to a COVID-19 related FAQ on the city’s website.

“A face covering can be made of cloth, fabric, or other soft or permeable material, but it should not have holes,” the website says. “Holes or one-way valves allow droplets out of the mask, putting others nearby at risk.”

According to healthline.com, the San Francisco Department of Public Health shared a strong warning against using N95 masks with valves earlier this month, after “still seeing a lot of these masks out there” despite regulations.

“It’s confusing, because they are called N95,” health officials wrote. “But the ones with the **valves** or openings on the front are NOT safe, and may actually propel your germs further!!”

Source edited down from report on Boston Globe
 

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You are missing the point, if wearing masks prevents the spread of the virus then how come Greece's numbers are actually going up instead of down??
Provide ALL the facts and you might get an answer. Nobody said masks were 100% effective. Has everyone always been social distancing, did anyone have a party or social event? Has everyone ALWAYS worn a mask?

In absence of all the facts, it is entire possible (and imho likely) that masks prevented the spike in cases from being far worse.

Provide all the facts and you may be able to determine the cause of the rise in cases.
 

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VIDEO: Dentists are noticing more people complaining about bad breath because of masks.

 

HungSowel

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I'd say before the mask mandate about 50% of people were wearing masks voluntarily. So if we then added another 50% (minus perhaps 1 or 2 percentiles who dont wear for medical reasons) we should see a 50% decline in new cases, and we're not seeing that.

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Lets assume 50% of the cases come from sources that are covered by mask mandate; stores, transit, etc... and the other 50% comes from sources that are outside the mask mandate; family, friends, etc...

Lets also assume "I'd say before the mask mandate about 50% of people were wearing masks voluntarily. So if we then added another 50% (minus perhaps 1 or 2 percentiles who dont wear for medical reasons)"

You would expect about a 25% drop in new cases. If you expect a 50% drop then you are implying that all sources of infection are covered by the mask mandate.
 

TeeJay

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Medical masks work
Other masks do not work
Its pretty simple really not sure why this is still a debate
 

TeeJay

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Lets assume 50% of the cases come from sources that are covered by mask mandate; stores, transit, etc... and the other 50% comes from sources that are outside the mask mandate; family, friends, etc...

Lets also assume "I'd say before the mask mandate about 50% of people were wearing masks voluntarily. So if we then added another 50% (minus perhaps 1 or 2 percentiles who dont wear for medical reasons)"

You would expect about a 25% drop in new cases. If you expect a 50% drop then you are implying that all sources of infection are covered by the mask mandate.
Prior to Mask bylaws at best 10% of people wore masks in public, and presumably fewer wore them in private (eg family gatherings)
After mask bylaws we have at best an 85% compliance rate (according to govt) in public, and presumably far fewer wore them in private

The stats speak for themselves
We should be seeing far less infections today than we saw before but we are not
 
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HungSowel

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Prior to Mask bylaws at best 10% of people wore masks in public, and presumably fewer wore them in private (eg family gatherings)
After mask bylaws we have at best an 85% compliance rate (according to govt) in public, and presumably far fewer wore them in private

The stats speak for themselves
We should be seeing far less infections today than we saw before but we are not
That 10% figure, you pulled it out of your ass. Phil's 50% figure is more in line with my observations. However Phil's 98% figure after the mask mandate, he pulled that out of his ass.

IMHO, it was about 50% prior to the mask law, and that 85% figure after the mask law sounds the most realistic.
 

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Prior to Mask bylaws at best 10% of people wore masks in public, and presumably fewer wore them in private (eg family gatherings)
After mask bylaws we have at best an 85% compliance rate (according to govt) in public, and presumably far fewer wore them in private

The stats speak for themselves
We should be seeing far less infections today than we saw before but we are not
Not true. In many places mask mandates occurred around the time when economies were opening up. Opening up works towards an increase in infections. Masks work to reduce that increase. So without many wearing masks the number of infections would have been even worse. Just as without lockdowns deaths would be far higher.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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This is simply not a factual statement nor a proper way of thinking.
Again there are so many parts to limiting the spread of the virus that it’s irrational to assume we should see a 50% decline in the number of cases due to more people wearing masks.
Question for you, can you admit since Ontario made masks mandatory our new infection rate hasnt declined much (beyond the usual decline we were already experiencing). Simple question, yes or no??

Here is the graph again

 

Phil C. McNasty

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That 10% figure, you pulled it out of your ass. Phil's 50% figure is more in line with my observations. However Phil's 98% figure after the mask mandate, he pulled that out of his ass.

IMHO, it was about 50% prior to the mask law, and that 85% figure after the mask law sounds the most realistic.
Out of all the stores, businesses and shopping malls I've been to over the last 6 weeks I've seen maybe a handful of people not wearing masks. I live in the GTA by the way. Maybe in rural Ontario thats different
 

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That 10% figure, you pulled it out of your ass. Phil's 50% figure is more in line with my observations. However Phil's 98% figure after the mask mandate, he pulled that out of his ass.

IMHO, it was about 50% prior to the mask law, and that 85% figure after the mask law sounds the most realistic.
Before bylaws nobody wore masks
Even after bylaws most outdoors do not wear them
Dont know where you live but obv nowhere close to GTA if you think 50% were voluntarily wearing masks
 
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That chart for new daily cases in Canada looks pretty good.

I suspect new cases come from stupidity and people occasionally being lax. I see my neighbors wearing masks out, but still socializing within a circle without masks. The virus is so prolific in spreading that it only takes one person to break that circle for it to spread to a few dozen people or more. Someone in that group can keep the chain going endlessly.

I don't know why people have such a hard time with the six degree of separation concept when it comes to a prolific virus. They seem to think their friends are safe, but the store is dangerous. These social circles (let's call them "trust" circles) are far more prevalent with the young. These circles interlock quickly interlock with many other social circles.
 
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