There are videos of brake failures on the Ohio train.
Exactly the type that Obama tried to legislate and rump delegislated.
Marjorie Taylor Greene Turns Ohio Railcar Derailment into a Conspiracy Theory - She is Insane
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Exactly the type that Obama tried to legislate and rump delegislated.
The bearings were the reason the train needed to be stopped.
The lack of ECP brakes were why it didn't stop in time.
I wonder how you know the conclusion of the NTSB report. But maybe you are right.
What I have read is that the train ran for quite a while without the engineer being aware of the bearing failures.
Possible cause of Ohio train crash revealed
A wheel bearing overheated moments before the train derailed, causing a hazardous chemical spill, a preliminary NTSB report says
A black plume rises after the controlled burning of derailed chemical tankers in East Palestine, Ohio, February 6, 2023 © AP / Gene Puskar
A faulty wheel bearing may have been responsible for the derailment of a train carrying toxic vinyl chloride through East Palestine, Ohio, earlier this month, a preliminary US government report has found. The resulting chemical spill has reportedly killed livestock, fish, and pets.
Released on Thursday, the report from the National Transportation Safety Board noted that a trackside detector transmitted an alarm message to the train’s crew as they passed through East Palestine on February 3. The detector flagged that one of the bearings on the first carriage to derail was some 253 degrees Fahrenheit (112 Celsius) higher than ambient temperature.
The train engineer had already been decelerating, but slowed the train and brought it to a stop with the assistance of an automatic emergency brake after receiving the alarm. When the crew noticed fire and smoke coming from the 23rd car of the 149-car train, they moved the locomotive to safety a mile away and alerted the authorities.
Some 38 cars derailed in total, with 11 of them carrying toxic chemicals. As the temperature of one intact tank of vinyl chloride began to rise, the report states that the responders decided to carry out a controlled burn of the chemicals to avoid a possible explosion. Five tanks of vinyl chloride – 115,580 gallons – were burned this way.
The report did not conclusively blame the derailment on the defective bearing, nor did it suggest that venting and burning the vinyl chloride was the correct course of action. The NTSB’s investigation is ongoing, and further reports are expected.
As a cloud of dense and toxic smoke rose over the town, locals in East Palestine criticized President Joe Biden for refusing to issue a disaster declaration. While Biden sent Environmental Protection Agency and Health and Human Services officials to the location to declare it safe, residents have complained of rashes, nausea, and headaches, as well as dead pets, livestock and fish.
With President Joe Biden in Ukraine and Poland this week, former president Donald Trump visited East Palestine on Wednesday, where he praised local emergency workers and handed out food and water. Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg – who initially blamed the crash on Trump-era railway deregulation – traveled to the scene on Thursday.
A wheel bearing overheated moments before the train derailed, causing a hazardous chemical spill, a preliminary NTSB report says
A black plume rises after the controlled burning of derailed chemical tankers in East Palestine, Ohio, February 6, 2023 © AP / Gene Puskar
A faulty wheel bearing may have been responsible for the derailment of a train carrying toxic vinyl chloride through East Palestine, Ohio, earlier this month, a preliminary US government report has found. The resulting chemical spill has reportedly killed livestock, fish, and pets.
Released on Thursday, the report from the National Transportation Safety Board noted that a trackside detector transmitted an alarm message to the train’s crew as they passed through East Palestine on February 3. The detector flagged that one of the bearings on the first carriage to derail was some 253 degrees Fahrenheit (112 Celsius) higher than ambient temperature.
The train engineer had already been decelerating, but slowed the train and brought it to a stop with the assistance of an automatic emergency brake after receiving the alarm. When the crew noticed fire and smoke coming from the 23rd car of the 149-car train, they moved the locomotive to safety a mile away and alerted the authorities.
Some 38 cars derailed in total, with 11 of them carrying toxic chemicals. As the temperature of one intact tank of vinyl chloride began to rise, the report states that the responders decided to carry out a controlled burn of the chemicals to avoid a possible explosion. Five tanks of vinyl chloride – 115,580 gallons – were burned this way.
The report did not conclusively blame the derailment on the defective bearing, nor did it suggest that venting and burning the vinyl chloride was the correct course of action. The NTSB’s investigation is ongoing, and further reports are expected.
As a cloud of dense and toxic smoke rose over the town, locals in East Palestine criticized President Joe Biden for refusing to issue a disaster declaration. While Biden sent Environmental Protection Agency and Health and Human Services officials to the location to declare it safe, residents have complained of rashes, nausea, and headaches, as well as dead pets, livestock and fish.
With President Joe Biden in Ukraine and Poland this week, former president Donald Trump visited East Palestine on Wednesday, where he praised local emergency workers and handed out food and water. Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg – who initially blamed the crash on Trump-era railway deregulation – traveled to the scene on Thursday.
An underreported fact in relation to this derailment is that while Norfolk Southern trains had been involved in 20 derailments since 2015, over that same period there were approximately 8000 derailments in the US. If that sounds horrific to you, consider the fact that there were approximately 3.1 MILLION transport truck accidents over the same period.
Yet these accidents interrupt only a tiny fraction of the goods that are shipped.
The fact is, there is a HUGE level of activity in the transportation industry, and the rate of accidents is quite low. Norfolk Southern's track record (pun intended) begins to look exemplary in context.
There's always room for improvement, but the story line the unions are trying to paint that this company is cutting too many corners (more subtle pun) just doesn't bear out in the stats.
Yet these accidents interrupt only a tiny fraction of the goods that are shipped.
The fact is, there is a HUGE level of activity in the transportation industry, and the rate of accidents is quite low. Norfolk Southern's track record (pun intended) begins to look exemplary in context.
There's always room for improvement, but the story line the unions are trying to paint that this company is cutting too many corners (more subtle pun) just doesn't bear out in the stats.
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I think it's like the dude into BDSM getting impaled by a massive dildo, suffering in pain but loving it.
Deplorables turning against each other mmmmm
Thanks to danmand for posting the NTSB's Preliminary Report. Certainly clarifies the accident sequence with relevant details..
Seems that this was a simple issue of a bearing, wheel or brake failure that caused overheating and failure of that specific wheel and/or axle.
There are some sort of railside wheel heat detectors (maybe IR?) every ten miles it seems to warn of such problems. The first detector noted that wheel was about 30F higher than ambient which is only a reason to take note. The next one located 10 miles further along reported around 100F higher than ambient at which point the Engineer was already applying the brakes. Another 10 miles later and that wheel was some 250F hotter than ambient and the train was already in the emergency stop process. It literally takes tens of miles to slow these trains weighing over 10,000 tons! Each railcar can weigh as much as 125 tons!!! That is the same as SIX fully loaded concrete trucks!
While under "dynamic braking" the Emergency Brakes activated and before the train had come to a complete stop it seems the wheel/axle (?) failed on that car. That car derailed and its sudden stoppage caused the rest of the cars to jack knife and pile up.
Dynamic braking is like gearing down in a stickshift car but instead it uses the locomotive's electric motors as generators to slow down. Like an electric car under initial braking.
It will be interesting when the NTSB's Materials Laboratory comes out with their Failure Analysis of the components and the investigation/audit of the maintenance records.
So far, despite all the conspiracy theories and blame directed towards regulatory changes (myself incl!) it seems the tracks, detectors, safety systems and crew were working well.
While not wanting to get ahead of the investigation results, sometimes things just break. Bad metal? Can be something as simple as a bearing seal failure allowing the lubricant to escape.
Or maybe it is just easier to blame it on Jewish Space Lasers or Biden spending ALL the money in Ukraine to distract from his son's big schlong pics on his laptop?
Seems that this was a simple issue of a bearing, wheel or brake failure that caused overheating and failure of that specific wheel and/or axle.
There are some sort of railside wheel heat detectors (maybe IR?) every ten miles it seems to warn of such problems. The first detector noted that wheel was about 30F higher than ambient which is only a reason to take note. The next one located 10 miles further along reported around 100F higher than ambient at which point the Engineer was already applying the brakes. Another 10 miles later and that wheel was some 250F hotter than ambient and the train was already in the emergency stop process. It literally takes tens of miles to slow these trains weighing over 10,000 tons! Each railcar can weigh as much as 125 tons!!! That is the same as SIX fully loaded concrete trucks!
While under "dynamic braking" the Emergency Brakes activated and before the train had come to a complete stop it seems the wheel/axle (?) failed on that car. That car derailed and its sudden stoppage caused the rest of the cars to jack knife and pile up.
Dynamic braking is like gearing down in a stickshift car but instead it uses the locomotive's electric motors as generators to slow down. Like an electric car under initial braking.
It will be interesting when the NTSB's Materials Laboratory comes out with their Failure Analysis of the components and the investigation/audit of the maintenance records.
So far, despite all the conspiracy theories and blame directed towards regulatory changes (myself incl!) it seems the tracks, detectors, safety systems and crew were working well.
While not wanting to get ahead of the investigation results, sometimes things just break. Bad metal? Can be something as simple as a bearing seal failure allowing the lubricant to escape.
Or maybe it is just easier to blame it on Jewish Space Lasers or Biden spending ALL the money in Ukraine to distract from his son's big schlong pics on his laptop?
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Some more nonsense from MTG. She compares this derailment in Ukraine to "a nuclear bomb that exploded in the city"!!
The head of the NTSB said it was entirely preventable. The company sets the temp at which the engineer had to act and this train passed two sensors that showed bearing warming but not high enough on the company's protocol to stop the train.
Meanwhile, lots of dead fish.
Estimated animal death toll from Ohio train derailment tops 43,700 as time frame for environmental recovery remains uncertain, officials say
Officials originally said they believed 3,500 aquatic animals had been killed. With the toll estimated to be more than 12 times that amount, officials say they're unsure how long recovery will take.
www.cbsnews.com
Wow. That statement stuck out like a sore thumb to me as the NTSB is renowned for reserving judgement until the evidentiary facts have been thoroughly investigated, analyzed and the probable cause findings discussed internally and finally published.
So I had to look up this statement you posted.
That characterization of what she said is very misleading. The rest of her statement is clear that she is saying that EVERY accident is preventable and most are not "accidents' in that there is always something that could have been done to prevent the occurrence.
"During a press conference on the investigation into the Feb. 3 Norfolk Southern freight train derailment in East Palestine, Ohio, National Transportation Safety Board Chair Jennifer Homendy said she believed the accident was preventable.
“We’ve never seen an accident that isn’t preventable,” she said, adding, “Our job is to determine how this happened, and issue safety recommendations to prevent this one from happening again.”"
Here is a transcript of what she actually said. (BOLD highlights mine)
Video Transcript
JENNIFER HOMENDY: The question is, what gives me the certainty that this was 100% preventable? We've never seen an accident that isn't preventable. And I actually think that I don't like the word accident. I hate to use it. Nothing is an accident.
And so when it comes to prevention, it could be actions on be-- on the railroad's part for maybe not having more conservative policies on thresholds. Or it could be some sort of problem with the wheel bearing that could have been addressed earlier. Those are just examples. We don't know that yet.
We are still conducting our fact-finding portion of the investigation. But we will know that at some point. That's when we issue the probable cause. And there's often not just one probable cause, which is, this derailed. It's usually a number of contributing factors that contribute-- a number of factors that contributed to that derailment.
What are we investigating that's preventable? Pretty much everything about this accident. It's everything from the wheel bearing to the railcars to the tank cars to the actions of federal entities or inaction of federal entities. We'll look at state entities. We'll look at locals, especially with emergency response and information they did or did not have, likely did not have.
And we'll look at Norfolk Southern, their policies. So there is-- there are often a lot of considerations in what goes into what is preventable. There is usually far more than one thing.
Our job is to determine how this happened and to issue safety recommendations to prevent this one from happening again. That's why I got so frustrated and tweeted. Nobody tweets for me. I tweet my own tweets. That's why I got so frustrated and tweeted because there's a lot of misinformation on what would have prevented this.
@mitchell76 :
I can’t keep up with watching all of the vids you post. Is there one in particular that you would recommend that I watch?
I can’t keep up with watching all of the vids you post. Is there one in particular that you would recommend that I watch?
