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smuddan

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It looked like a pretty standard hit, one that would happen with truculent linemates or not.
You're right, it wasn't a dirty hit, but through out the game until they got tired, I thought the Jets were targeting Matthews and Tavares and roughed them up every chance they got. In a couple of scrums involving Tavares, no teammate came to his aid. Where's the team toughness the players like to talk about ?
 

superstar_88

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You're over-reacting. Jets are a big team. They are entitled to play to their strengths. Matthews put himself in that position. Trouba made an excellent play. Shoulder to shoulder. How is that roughing up Matthews? On another note the line of Kadri Marner Marleau back together with Matthews injury and they started the comeback. Kadri is a shooter. Excellent pass from Marner right on his stick. Just like last year.

Buf could easily hurt people but he didn't. It was a clean respectful game. If anything should be complaining about Kadri with hit to the back on the boards for 1st penalty. Marner is small they could target him but they didn't.
 

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You're over-reacting. Jets are a big team. They are entitled to play to their strengths. Matthews put himself in that position. Trouba made an excellent play. Shoulder to shoulder. How is that roughing up Matthews? On another note the line of Kadri Marner Marleau back together with Matthews injury and they started the comeback. Kadri is a shooter. Excellent pass from Marner right on his stick. Just like last year.

Buf could easily hurt people but he didn't. It was a clean respectful game. If anything should be complaining about Kadri with hit to the back on the boards for 1st penalty. Marner is small they could target him but they didn't.
I agree with you - that's the NHL, and it's why for the first 2 periods the Jets looked like a playoff team and the Leafs didn't.
Matthews was cutting in front of the net and Trouba played it like any defenceman would be expected to. What Tavares was dealing with is exactly what he'll deal with in any playoff series against any team.
Luckily the Jets have played 4 games in 6 days and were gassed late in the game.

On the power play the Leafs are now 0 in their last 10 and look poor.

Auston Matthews injured again, season 3: come contract negotiations in July, expect Dubas to butt heads with Matthew's agent over a discounted contract if he misses any significant number of games again this year. Hopefully it's a minor injury.
 

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The Jets were obviously gassed by the third having played last night,
I don't understand how you can get gassed by playing the worst team in the NHL the night before. Stanley Cup contenders find ways to win back to back. Are the Jets cup contenders?
 

smuddan

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I don't understand how you can get gassed by playing the worst team in the NHL the night before. Stanley Cup contenders find ways to win back to back. Are the Jets cup contenders?
The Jets also blew a 4-1 lead against the Oilers. They should be considered as one of the cup contenders based on last season's performance. Goaltending will be a key factor as always. Their center position got weakened with the departure of Stastny. Scheifele is a legit no.1 centre but not much star power behind him.
 

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Auston Mathews need to take lessons from the other Leafs on how to take a hit without getting hurt. That "hit" last night looked more like a bump than an actual hit. He is by far the softest Leaf.
 

superstar_88

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Interesting all 3 Leaf goals puck comes from behind the net to goalie's left into the slot
 

smuddan

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The Taraves signing has no doubt lessen the impact from losing Matthews for any extended period of time. The Leafs has one of the best centre positions both talent and depth. It hurts to lose your best player who's also your no.1 centre. Can't imagine how devastating it would be if the Oilers lose McDavid, or Jets losing Scheifele.

As for Matthews' injury, I think he deserves some credit for having the courage to attack the net. If you go to the dirty areas often, injuries are inevitable. A guy like Nylander who plays in the perimeters would have much lesser chance for this kind of injuries.
 

superstar_88

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Well, he has a bigger body than most so it helps. That was a very jarring hit though. That hit would have crushed Marner or Nylander. He wasn't expecting to get hit. Didn't see it coming. So didn't brace himself or absorb it better. When Doughty hit him in the LA game he absorbed the hit no problem took the puck and made a good play with it.
 

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The Leafs has one of the best centre positions both talent and depth. It hurts to lose your best player who's also your no.1 centre. Can't imagine how devastating it would be if the Oilers lose McDavid, or Jets losing Scheifele.
For the record, the Jets lost Mark Scheifele with a broken collarbone for six weeks last season and didn't miss a beat; their win percentage didn't change at all.

It doesn't sound like Matthews will be out for long, but when he was out for 20 games last year was there a change in their win/loss profile?
 

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For the record, the Jets lost Mark Scheifele with a broken collarbone for six weeks last season and didn't miss a beat; their win percentage didn't change at all.

It doesn't sound like Matthews will be out for long, but when he was out for 20 games last year was there a change in their win/loss profile?
It's official Matthews will be out for a minimum of 4 weeks. Call off the parade! LOL
 

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Well, he has a bigger body than most so it helps. That was a very jarring hit though. That hit would have crushed Marner or Nylander. He wasn't expecting to get hit. Didn't see it coming. So didn't brace himself or absorb it better. When Doughty hit him in the LA game he absorbed the hit no problem took the puck and made a good play with it.
Correct... It was a clean hit but AM didn't see it coming so he wasn't braced for it. It was just bad luck.


For the record, the Jets lost Mark Scheifele with a broken collarbone for six weeks last season and didn't miss a beat; their win percentage didn't change at all.

It doesn't sound like Matthews will be out for long, but when he was out for 20 games last year was there a change in their win/loss profile?
Leafs went 11-7 without AM last year.
 

smuddan

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Most good teams would hang in for a few weeks without their best player. Jets did without Scheifele for 6 weeks as pointed out by chuck above. The Leafs also had a winning record (a couple of games over .500 I believe) for 20 games without Matthews.

The most important question is how effective will he be when he comes back and will it have a lingering effect the rest of the season ?
 

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The most important question is how effective will he be when he comes back and will it have a lingering effect the rest of the season ?
It's a good sign that no surgery was required to repair the separated shoulder. With timing and cardio, probably won't be back in mid-season form until January.
 

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It's a good sign that no surgery was required to repair the separated shoulder. With timing and cardio, probably won't be back in mid-season form until January.
Bob Gainey once played with 2 separated shoulders.

"Gainey's Reputation Is Well-Deserved - latimes
articles.latimes.com/1991-05-26/sports/sp-3713_1_bob-gainey
May 26, 1991 - There's no way Bob Gainey could have been the superstar everyone ... The guy once went through the playoffs with two separated shoulders."
 

superstar_88

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Burke may be right. Leafs defense is lacking. Lots of giveaways. Flames could have put the game out of reach much earlier. Without Matthews the offense looks pitiful. They need to change up their PP cause every team is prepared for that set up now. Andersen was good though but he needed a shut out to win.

Jonnson is just totally ineffective against the big boys. Looks like he has a superior minor league game and that's it.
 

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They looked like a disaster last night. Passes going nowhere. Pucks not getting out if not just being given away... Players giving up... Jeez.

Marleau stood out to me as being the most useless. Next was Brown; then Johnnson. At least Freddy was good. Hyman makes an effort as always...
 

superstar_88

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Is it just me or does Tavaras look slow? Players like Brown and Jonnson should be swapped out for players with size and grit since they aren't doing much anyway. Swap them for more Hyman's.
 

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This is JT's moment to put on the big boy pants and get it done.

Can I reiterate how much I hate the Marleau signing? I don't give a shit about being a positive influence on the young guys. He's being paid 6.25M to generate offense and he's been nothing but a financial burden. Unfortunately he has too much cred to be sent to Robidas Island.
 
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