Yes the cops have to get off the shift and become regular citizens like us.
So the whole police state mindset doesn't make sense.
To much TV.
Mandatory breath samples now required in every Toronto-area traffic stop: OPP
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So the whole police state mindset doesn't make sense.
To much TV.
Govt doesn’t care about safety.
Priority #1 is and has always been find more ways to generate revenue from its tax payers.
But let’s keep wasting money on buying iPhones for lazy refugees, and allow corrupt politicians to throw lavish engagement parties for their family and invite land developers so they can write the party off as a business expense.
Priority #1 is and has always been find more ways to generate revenue from its tax payers.
But let’s keep wasting money on buying iPhones for lazy refugees, and allow corrupt politicians to throw lavish engagement parties for their family and invite land developers so they can write the party off as a business expense.
Not that long ago, they could stop anyone on suspicion he had a gun. But that was deemed racist
Exactly.
BINGO. That's what the whole speed/red light cam scam is about, too. Gotta fund Trudeau's latest adventures on holiday in the Caribbean and whatnot.
Cops are getting out of control. I was stopped once and the guy gave me a full rectal exam. Oddly enough he had both his hands on my shoulders and seemed to be enjoying the process.
It's rough I tells ya, no respect.
It's rough I tells ya, no respect.
Yeah, that's the joke.Both of his hands on your shoulders, yet you got a rectal exam, eh?
There machines can put you in jail.
A million Americans a year are arrested for drunken driving, and most stops begin the same way: flashing blue lights in the rearview mirror, then a battery of tests that might include standing on one foot or reciting the alphabet.
What matters most, though, happens next. By the side of the road or at the police station, the drivers blow into a miniature science lab that estimates the concentration of alcohol in their blood. If the level is 0.08 or higher, they are all but certain to be convicted of a crime.
But those tests — a bedrock of the criminal justice system — are often unreliable, a New York Times investigation found. The devices, found in virtually every police station in America, generate skewed results with alarming frequency, even though they are marketed as precise to the third decimal place.
Judges in Massachusetts and New Jersey have thrown out more than 30,000 breath tests in the past 12 months alone, largely because of human errors and lax governmental oversight. Across the country, thousands of other tests also have been invalidated in recent years.
The machines are sensitive scientific instruments, and in many cases they haven’t been properly calibrated, yielding results that were at times 40 percent too high. Maintaining machines is up to police departments that sometimes have shoddy standards and lack expertise. In some cities, lab officials have used stale or home-brewed chemical solutions that warped results. In Massachusetts, officers used a machine with rats nesting inside.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/03/business/drunk-driving-breathalyzer.html
A million Americans a year are arrested for drunken driving, and most stops begin the same way: flashing blue lights in the rearview mirror, then a battery of tests that might include standing on one foot or reciting the alphabet.
What matters most, though, happens next. By the side of the road or at the police station, the drivers blow into a miniature science lab that estimates the concentration of alcohol in their blood. If the level is 0.08 or higher, they are all but certain to be convicted of a crime.
But those tests — a bedrock of the criminal justice system — are often unreliable, a New York Times investigation found. The devices, found in virtually every police station in America, generate skewed results with alarming frequency, even though they are marketed as precise to the third decimal place.
Judges in Massachusetts and New Jersey have thrown out more than 30,000 breath tests in the past 12 months alone, largely because of human errors and lax governmental oversight. Across the country, thousands of other tests also have been invalidated in recent years.
The machines are sensitive scientific instruments, and in many cases they haven’t been properly calibrated, yielding results that were at times 40 percent too high. Maintaining machines is up to police departments that sometimes have shoddy standards and lack expertise. In some cities, lab officials have used stale or home-brewed chemical solutions that warped results. In Massachusetts, officers used a machine with rats nesting inside.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/03/business/drunk-driving-breathalyzer.html
for one thing i dont beleive any government stats but this is a clear case of erosion of our rights which has been going on since the 1970s when i was a teenager. for me it started with the seatbelt law around 1980 i couldnt fucking beleive it when it happened when did my life become your business. now you can say that it has saved lives but i still think that should be your choice. when they first came out with the ride programs we had rights that protected us from being harassed for no reason in fact the first people that got charged in ride programs had their cases thrown out. you can argue that these were good things but my point is that everytime they come out with new laws it strips us of rights that we used to have. one thing that comes to mind is the list of bullshit things i have to have in my boat ive been operating a boat since i was ten years old i can drive a boat better than anyone yet last summer i got a 300 dollar fine cause my batteries died in my fucking flashlight i am never out fishing after dark. theres probably a thousand laws come out since i was a teenager and they just keep getting more fucking intrusive like shoving a breathalyzer in your face for no reason or jabbing a needle in your arm to take ablood sample of people who were in an accident and are unconscious. oh ya i remember when they started saying driving is a privelidge that was like the early 90s when they dreampt that up before that it was a right.I rarely see OPP in Toronto. Does the Breathalyzer pick up cannabis too?
Ontario Provincial Police say they are taking their strongest measures yet by requiring a mandatory breath sample from drivers for every traffic stop in the Greater Toronto Area.
The OPP said it is using the full extent of Canada’s Mandatory Alcohol Screening (MAS) which was amended in 2018 to allow police to demand a breath test of any driver even in the absence of suspicion.
OPP Sgt. Kerry Schmidt said breath samples to check for alcohol will be required even if drivers are pulled over for speeding, using a cellphone or other offences.
Impaired driving charges are up almost 30 per cent from five years ago. Schmidt said there was 11,000 impaired driving charges last year compared with more than 8,000 in 2019.
“We’re seeing a huge increase in those numbers and specifically in the GTA,” Schmidt told 640 Toronto’s Greg Brady.
Schmidt said there has been a dramatic increase in collisions so far this year — around 50 per cent more — compared with the same time frame five years ago.
“Driving is a privilege,” Schmidt said. “And we want to make sure that the drivers who are operating in vehicles are not impaired.”
Schmidt said failing to provide a breath sample via a breathalyzer will result in a criminal charge.
“If you refuse, you’ll be arrested and charged,” Schmidt said.
Schmidt said the mandatory breath samples will be for drivers who get pulled over in the GTA on OPP-patrolled highways and roads due to the significant increase in collisions and will be re-evaluated moving forward if it continues or expands to the rest of the province.
“If we just check everyone, it’s going to ensure that we are consistent across the region,” Schmidt said.
Ontario has a zero tolerance for young, novice and commercial drivers who cannot have any alcohol in their system. This includes those under the age of 21; any driver of any age with a G1, G2, M1, or M2 licence; those driving a vehicle that requires an A-F licence or CVOR; or anyone driving a road-building machine.
Other drivers with a full G licence will face charges and/or penalties if their blood alcohol concentration level registers at 0.08 or more on a breathalyzer or if a driver falls within a warning range between 0.05 and 0.079.
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Mandatory breath samples now required in every Toronto-area traffic stop: OPP | Globalnews.ca
OPP will require a mandatory breath sample from all drivers on every traffic stop in the Greater Toronto Area, regardless of the reason police pulled the vehicle over.globalnews.ca
weve bee n sliding down this slippery slope for forty years our rights have been eroding all my life
I understand your frustration, but I disagree with you on some points. I have no problem with seatbelt/child seat laws, helmet laws for motorcycles and red light cameras. I think someone else mentioned the RL cameras. But yes, it does feel like a slippery slope at times.
Refusing will earn you an automatic charge
" Refusal or failure to comply with a breath demand carries the following penalties: A mandatory minimum one-year driving prohibition/suspension for a first-time offender, and the judge can impose up to a three-year driving prohibition at their discretion. A mandatory minimum $2,000 fine. "
You do realize the OPP is under Doug Ford's jurisdiction so perhaps you should change your post to " Gotta fund Ford's latest fishing and cheesecake-making adventure"
If you've had even one drink and you're asked to blow, you could register a warn, even though your BAC level is below 0.05. That's because you could have residual alcohol in your mouth. I have a friend with a breathalyser. A group of us were having some drinks over the course of an evening and we wanted to see how impaired we got. What we found was that downing half a glass of water before you blew, made a significant difference in the reading. Especially if you're sipping scotch or another spirit. At one point I blew 0.11, then after drinking water, blew 0.04. What also helped was hyperventilating.
Now of course, an officer will not let you drink anything before you blow. They'll also be suspicious if you're drinking water when they tell you to roll down your window. I also remember a cop friend tell me he's pulled over people who are clearly drunk, but before they get out of the car, they open a bottle of alcohol and take a sip. He said if someone does that, the breathalyser test is invalid. I can't remember how that plays out and what they can charge you with, but I don't think you can be charged with over 80. I'll have to talk to my cop friend again.
Now of course, an officer will not let you drink anything before you blow. They'll also be suspicious if you're drinking water when they tell you to roll down your window. I also remember a cop friend tell me he's pulled over people who are clearly drunk, but before they get out of the car, they open a bottle of alcohol and take a sip. He said if someone does that, the breathalyser test is invalid. I can't remember how that plays out and what they can charge you with, but I don't think you can be charged with over 80. I'll have to talk to my cop friend again.
And when they brought in this stupid law back in 2018, those of us who support civil liberties and thought this was a violation of our Charter rights were told that we were just being paranoid.
That Police would never abuse this level of power.
"Fuck you" to every dumb ass person who made that argument.
That Police would never abuse this level of power.
"Fuck you" to every dumb ass person who made that argument.
No you'd be surprised at well some people can fake being sober.
Had a GF who's retired father was working part time delivering wings for a takeout place.
He kept a 26er of vodka under the seat and would partake while he worked. Could keep a conversation with zero problems.
Mandatory breathalyzer? Damn, I was hoping for a mandatory rectum exam
