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So many questions here one did he finally save up enough money to buy his drivers license? Two was he taught by a driving school in Brampton if so, that driving school should be under investigation. An final question, how much insurance is this guy going to pay. And one last note I wonder what the odds are of him having an accident within the first year
 
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It should have been 3 strikes and you're out. If you can't pass by the 3rd attempt you shouldn't be driving.
 
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I'm more curious what caused him to fail so many times. Is it unsafe lane changes, speeding, or not being able to parallel park? What is the pass / fail rate of the other students at his driving school? Or does it have a series of complaints against it.
 
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K Douglas said:
It should have been 3 strikes and you're out. If you can't pass by the 3rd attempt you shouldn't be driving.
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Driving is a skill, and I think you're right. Some people just can't "get it". I think some sort of mandatory training should be required after a fixed number of failed attempts. I used to teach diving, and some people just can't do it. They get remedial help but if they still can't master the skills, they don't pass. There are no "participation" ribbons. Driving poses far greater risk to others than diving does. The example in this story is ridiculous.
 
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K Douglas said:
It should have been 3 strikes and you're out. If you can't pass by the 3rd attempt you shouldn't be driving.
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How many drivers out there managed to pass the test on the first try, but maybe shouldn't be driving?

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Driving is a skill, and I think you're right. Some people just can't "get it". I think some sort of mandatory training should be required after a fixed number of failed attempts. I used to teach diving, and some people just can't do it. They get remedial help but if they still can't master the skills, they don't pass. There are no "participation" ribbons. Driving poses far greater risk to others than diving does. The example in this story is ridiculous.
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This is very easy to say, but I would think there are legal barriers to create something like this. That's likely why we don't already have a system where if you fail a driving test more than 3 times, you are never able to get a license. I now have to wonder how licensing works for professional pilots, drivers or mariners. If they fail multiple times, are they not allowed to be in that profession?

I think the more reasonable response to this problem is to have an ever longer waiting period between exam attempts. For example: you have to wait at least one year after the second failure, 18 months after the third failure, etc
 
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There should be a cut off and driving school required. Time delays for when you can re-take your road test etc.
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Don't you get pushed back to a G1 license for violations or taking too long to take the exit exam?
 
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explorerzip said:
This is very easy to say, but I would think there are legal barriers to create something like this. That's likely why we don't already have a system where if you fail a driving test more than 3 times, you are never able to get a license. I now have to wonder how licensing works for professional pilots, drivers or mariners. If they fail multiple times, are they not allowed to be in that profession?
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I'm not suggesting it be a permanent ban. But if you flunk a test a bunch of times, obviously something isn't right. I think some requirement for hands-on training is very sensible. It might also discover some physical reason for the problem. Maybe the dude is blind in one eye or something.

It's not like basic driving skills are especially difficult. I suspect parallel parking would be the most difficult to master for many. So send the flunky off to driving school where someone sits with him while he figures out how to park properly. I can't see that being a legal problem.

As for the rest of your question, I have no clue about pilots, but I do know a little about (commercial) marine licensing. It's much like a graduated licence beginning with smaller displacement vessels and moving up. Each step requires sea time under the supervision of a more qualified person. Once those hours are completed and logged, the candidate can move up with more courses and then more sea time. There are no shortcuts but that's not really comparable to driving a car. To get a boaters license, it's either an in person course or online, followed by a written, but unsupervised test. A small boat operators permit isn't really about the skill to pilot a boat... it's strictly rules of the road and safety requirements. There isn't a "road test" at all. But then bombing around on a lake isn't much like driving down the 401.
 
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It really is amazing that he failed 10 times. Considering how poorly the "licensed" drivers navigate our roads, the bar is already set way too low.
 
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Dougal Short said:
I'm not suggesting it be a permanent ban. But if you flunk a test a bunch of times, obviously something isn't right. I think some requirement for hands-on training is very sensible. It might also discover some physical reason for the problem. Maybe the dude is blind in one eye or something.

It's not like basic driving skills are especially difficult. I suspect parallel parking would be the most difficult to master for many. So send the flunky off to driving school where someone sits with him while he figures out how to park properly. I can't see that being a legal problem.

As for the rest of your question, I have no clue about pilots, but I do know a little about (commercial) marine licensing. It's much like a graduated licence beginning with smaller displacement vessels and moving up. Each step requires sea time under the supervision of a more qualified person. Once those hours are completed and logged, the candidate can move up with more courses and then more sea time. There are no shortcuts but that's not really comparable to driving a car. To get a boaters license, it's either an in person course or online, followed by a written, but unsupervised test. A small boat operators permit isn't really about the skill to pilot a boat... it's strictly rules of the road and safety requirements. There isn't a "road test" at all. But then bombing around on a lake isn't much like driving down the 401.
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I think even a temporary ban could be a legal problem, but I'm no lawyer. I suspect that a lawyer would tell you "it depends." You're right that if you're failing anything multiple times and making the same mistakes, then you need some remedial training.

Yes, the pleasure craft operator card (PCOC) is not about boating proficiency. You can take the test at the boat show for about $20-$30 with free retakes and online as you said. I've been sailing for decades and I see idiot boaters all the time. I almost crashed into a small power boat near the Amsterdam Brewery dock. The boater wouldn't move from the middle of the channel and even left the helm unattended to yell at me :mad: Then they're are those that barrel through a no-wake zone or crash into other boats and kill people.
 
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If he failed 10X, he probably is one of those individuals that may have significantly higher than average insurance premiums in years to come.
 
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I wonder what was different on the eleventh try. Maybe he just needed the right vehicle.
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