You are playing with words now. If the industry went from internet based as the norm (right now) to street hooker pickups (like it was in the 80s) the fact that it changed is evolution. Just because it evolves into something that had already existed doesn't mean it didn't evolve. So @explorerzip is correct, if industry doesn't evolve it dies. Any change is evolution, it doesn't have to change into something that didn't exist before. That is innovation and innovation does not equal evolution.
Most agencies already do that, at least we do. We have discussed internally about how spoiled our industry is, when companies like Air Canada will literally change your itinerary last minute and make you sleep in an airport waiting for your flight; offering no concession. The last time this happened, I received a complimentary pillow from Air Canada, nowhere near the money I had paid for my flight.Agreed. But this goes both ways for agencies that deliberately overbook, and indies that get a better offer and cancel at the last minute. Last minute cancellations and no shows is not a phenomenon unique to the guys, and the hassles caused are just as impactful to the guys as they are to the girls. SP's time is not more valuable than the time of the hobbyists that book them. Everyone's time is equally valuable. Yet the women demand a deposit to hedge against the loss. When will the industry evolve to a point where when an indy or agency cancel last minute or no show the guy is compensated against his losses? The answer is: not soon. Funny, that.
Thanks for your opinion as well. I understand your frustration with the "no shows"
I agree that expecting free sessions after a cancellation is unreasonable. Room has already been paid for, etc. I think the easiest thing to do is fully return the deposit and then offer a discount for a future session. Things get messy if you apply deposits to future sessions because you have to keep track of that somehow. I've seen a few threads where the there was a cancellation, deposits kept for a future session, and the parties couldn't agree on a make up date.
In the case of our agency, if a girl cancels we do our best to make it up to the client immediately by offering a substitution with a small discount. We only take a deposit on the first time a client books with us, so we don't have that issue of keeping track of deposits. After a client has been verified, that client can pay in cash all the time and no more deposits are needed.
Sounds reasonable to me. What happens if a first-timer sends you a deposit and the girl has to cancel? I'm sure you'd try to work with them to get their desired outcome be it full deposit returned, substitution with discount, or something else.
If the client requests it then we will refund them. We offer them a store credit first, but some people like you said, due to scheduling constraints prefer a refund.
Get the f%#* out here….
This is why I did not respond to TGFs quote of my post. Anyone with significant experience in this industry knows agencies and indies alike proudly proclaim their integrity publicly, but when it really gets down to brass tacks, it's not often they walk the talk, and when they don't, we'll, that's hard to prove without getting yourself banned for accusing a paying advertiser. Just the reality of the industry. There are so so many guys out there who naively trust and believe only to find themselves being screwed over w zero real recourse. No point debating it here, just time to walk on.
the fact is that comment s favour those who pay this board. if any doubt exists the paid member wins. there more to it than that but there is a lot of stuff removed from here .. lets assome that all are bad faith comments but that assumes perfection
I was being facetious, so don't get your tush chapped over my comments.I was mostly being facetious. I wasn't trying to bring my accountant and my fiscal earnings into the equation on the review board here.
I more just meant that I make enough money that I don't need to exploit people by scamming them.
But like I said it's not for everybody. And if screening and leaving a deposit isn't your thing then luckily there's a lot of providers that don't require that.
It's a big industry and there's enough room for all of us. I'm just trying to have a constructive conversation. I don't know why everybody needs to get their ass so chapped over my comments.
To discuss is healthy!
Exactly in the end it’s the client that is the customer, the client that pays, ultimately it will come down to what the client decides what is best for them.
Terb guys really belive that much power is thrown around here. It’s not. Pay or don’t pay. Get over it and move on. You whiners are not the majority. Next!
It is like customers thinking they can individually change policy at Walmart. You can boycott all you want, the masses will still go shopping there. There is no way to organize the type of boycott that would be needed. Men control the money sure but women control the pussy and too many men can’t say no to it.
I am truly sorry to hear about your negative experience with getting a refund. Please allow us to offer an explanation. When we started our verification policy almost two years ago, we were severely understaffed administratively. For this reason, it was just not easy to process refunds in a timely manner. So it was decided that a store credit without expiration would be issued instead.
