Looks like the number of women requiring deposits is growing day by day

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I already agreed it doesn’t have to. Where am I saying it doesn’t? I already said in the quote you quoted that it will survive. So what are you fighting me on? I have agreed with you. Right here in back and white for you.




So Why can’t you admit that it will evolve regardless? That is has evolved and I would think for the better. Guys are bitching about deposit and screening and yet you want to go back to picking up street women??? Or go back to calling an ad in the back of a magazine to get a verbal description and take your chances???? Is that better for you???

Again - it will survive but it will ALSO evolve and HAS evolved. Meaning that evolution, regardless of need has and will continue to happen. Why is that so hard for you to admit?

I have agree with you but you can agree with me as well. It is not Survival right and evolution wrong. And it’s not evolution right and survival wrong. It’s not a right and wrong thing. You guys are making it a right and wrong thing by saying you are only right. And I am only wrong. That is not the case we are actually both right. Why is that so hard to accept? Answer me that. Why is it so hard for you to accept that the industry evolves? Regardless of need because no one said it needs to. Just that it does.

Okay but my original point, was that regardless of it evolves or not, was to explorezip who said if it didn't evolve it wouldn't survive. I simply said it would, so I'm not exactly sure what point your trying to prove then.
 
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Because BBL doesn't evolve babe. He still believes an hour is worth 220$, that the market is 250-350 and he still doesn't want to screen or give deposit. I am sure on some rare occasion he opens his browser and type backpage.com

Says the women who simply doesn't understand what market value means....
 
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Go back in the posts. Someone said evolve. I followed up and you and BBL want to tell me I’m wrong. I’m not. The industry evolves. It will always survive, I don’t and didn’t disagree with that but I’m not wrong that it evolves. And again, anyone who says it doesn’t, is being silly.
Once again, talking about something evolving means nothing because everything in this world evolves/changes.

As such, your revelation that the escort industry evolves, isn't saying much.

Thinking otherwise is silly.
 

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Once again, talking about something evolving means nothing because everything in this world evolves/changes.

As such, your revelation that the escort industry evolves, isn't saying much.

Thinking otherwise is silly.
Yawn. Whatever shack. You clearly have issue with this for some PMSing reason.

I don’t care enough to fight about it anymore.

Your revelation that the escort industry survives isn’t saying much either but clearly you need to hear yourself speak.

Go for the last word. I could give two shits at this point. I’m done addressing you on the topic of evolution/survival of the industry
 

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Personally, I pay the deposits, and give screening info.

However, I do wonder what even the pro-deposit people will think when providers start asking for the full amount to be transferred beforehand. Already there are some who ask for a deposit of 50%.

From a pure safety standpoint, it might be a good idea. After all, a provider can't be robbed if she doesn't have the cash with her. And it certainly would eliminate all financial risk of no-shows.
It could evolve there who knows. However they cannot get robbed "in person" but you need one unhappy idiot to make a turnmoil.

Saw some case where the guy called his bank accusing her of fraud after the services were provided with no issues. She had to litteraly show her messages exchange to the bank to prove he indeed purchase the service putting herself and her money at risk. Cash is still king and will be for a while I think.
 
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Okay but my original point, was that regardless of it evolves or not, was to explorezip who said if it didn't evolve it wouldn't survive. I simply said it would, so I'm not exactly sure what point your trying to prove then.
I didn’t say it didn’t. All I did was I added an example of its evolution and you and shack went all PMS on me.

Do you agree that the industry will survive AND evolves as well? If so, we are done

If not, we are also done because clearly I would be debating with a brick wall.

Either way - I am done now with this part of the topic. It is not even on topic.
 
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Yawn. Whatever shack. You clearly have issue with this for some PMSing reason.

I don’t care enough to fight about it anymore.

Your revelation that the escort industry survives isn’t saying much either but clearly you need to hear yourself speak.
OK, pot. You always want to get the last word in. You are the poster child for hearing yourself.
 

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I didn’t say it didn’t. All I did was I added an example of its evolution and you and shack went all PMS on me.

Do you agree that the industry will survive AND evolves as well? If so, we are done

If not, we are also done because clearly I would be debating with a brick wall.

Either way - I am done now with this part of the topic. It is not even on topic.

No, but you said that wasn't the point, but that was the point I was making...lol.
 
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Once again, talking about something evolving means nothing because everything in this world evolves/changes.

As such, your revelation that the escort industry evolves, isn't saying much.

Thinking otherwise is silly.

I have no idea what point she was trying to make.
 
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The point is, it doesn't have to....lol.
Okay but my original point, was that regardless of it evolves or not, was to explorezip who said if it didn't evolve it wouldn't survive. I simply said it would, so I'm not exactly sure what point your trying to prove then.
Are you saying that the escort industry doesn't have to evolve? This doesn't make any sense because it already has. Tech has radically changed every industry. We wouldn't be having this discussion without it. It's often the adult industry that embraces new tech faster than the mainstream. The porn industry was basically the first to fully embrace the internet.

If indys or agencies don't have an online presence be it their own site, social media or ads here, they basically don't exist. They could go back to the newspaper, Yellow Pages or have girls walk the streets, but their reach will be a lot smaller. They're certainly not going to capture the younger guys that don't read anything on paper.

This not unique in any way to escorting. Everything in this world evolves.

The only thing in this world that is constant, is change. You've heard this.

As such, this point that you think is so insightful, is meaningless.
Not sure what the point of your comment was. Did you honestly think that she is totally unaware of how the world outside her industry works? Most people know that change always happens, but some do have a hard time accepting it. That was my earlier point. It seems that some guys including the OP refuse to accept that girls have increased their rates, require deposits, verification, etc.

Yet we keep going around in mindless circles with these threads: other industries don't ask for verification or 50% deposit, girls shouldn't need deposits, etc. etc. People have the right to manage their business how they like even if it causes them to lose business or go under. Clients certainly don't have to like it, but they have the right to go elsewhere.
 

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You do realize that for some, that is not enough time to reschedule something right?
Agreed. But this goes both ways for agencies that deliberately overbook, and indies that get a better offer and cancel at the last minute. Last minute cancellations and no shows is not a phenomenon unique to the guys, and the hassles caused are just as impactful to the guys as they are to the girls. SP's time is not more valuable than the time of the hobbyists that book them. Everyone's time is equally valuable. Yet the women demand a deposit to hedge against the loss. When will the industry evolve to a point where when an indy or agency cancel last minute or no show the guy is compensated against his losses? The answer is: not soon. Funny, that. :unsure:
 
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Personally, I pay the deposits, and give screening info.

However, I do wonder what even the pro-deposit people will think when providers start asking for the full amount to be transferred beforehand. Already there are some who ask for a deposit of 50%.

From a pure safety standpoint, it might be a good idea. After all, a provider can't be robbed if she doesn't have the cash with her. And it certainly would eliminate all financial risk of no-shows.
This gave me plenty to think about!
I personally don't see it ever becoming a thing where a majority* of providers would start to request the full amount up front - many work infrequently or specifically to earn cash-in-hand, others may become ineligible for government assistance and educational scholarships if 100% of their earnings pass through their account (even if that's just a few thousand extra annually).

Any SP who chose to implement a "100% due upon booking" policy would expect to receive fewer bookings, and would certainly be funding their lifestyle from some other source of income.

Personally, I find that asking 50$-15% as a deposit for 1st dates has been comfortable to me and those I see. A good third of my regular admirers now elect to send the full rate via EMT on the day of/before our date anyways to save themselves a trip to the ATM, which is fine by me. To each their own!
 
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