Logical Fallacy
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QUOTE="TeeJay, post: 6985643, member: 164522"]
TDS appears to be strong in the covidiots
Heck look right above your post at shack (I missed it 1st time, he is on block list)
Loves to type out pages of gibberish that do not even address what the thread is about in any way (act; according to mods what he & squeezer do is against the boards terms of service, you are supposed to at least pretend to keep on topic)
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As far as I can tell, nobody mentioned him until you guys did.
Funny that you mentioned deflection because that's exactly what a mask is meant to do.
If you are in full blown infection and transmitting virus then you shouldn't be roaming around. You should be quarantining at home. If you were sick enough to be at the hospital the healthcare workers would be wearing masks. They'd likely go much further by wearing surgical masks, plastic face shields, gloves, hair nets and head to toe PPE. Even my dentist has started doing that.
I do think that we should have been tracking and quarantining only the sick people from the start. But we don't have any real desire or mechanism to do that. I guess we're too scared of Big Data and Big Brother, but if you're sick you should be monitored. As a result of that flawed thinking, we ended up with the worse case where we had to lock down everyone. Basically, we have no real idea of who has Covid or who doesn't until they decide to go to the hospital.
You just have to have a casual look at the numbers to see what went wrong. The US leads the number of infections and deaths by far. So a logical person would ask why that happened and compare it to other countries.
I agree that the people hoarding toilet paper, cleaning supplies, masks, etc are foolish actually selfish. But who is the bigger fool: the one that hoards these things or the one that doesn't and runs out? I also agree that shouting at people who that go without masks is totally pointless. If they are in a store then it's the owner's responsibility and not mine to shout at them. It is also the responsibility of the people that go without masks to follow the rules that a business, hospital, etc sets forth. You might not like those rules, but you can always go somewhere else.
What is wrong with subconsciously wearing masks or taking any safety precautions? Do you actively need to remind yourself to put on your seatbelt, helmet, life jacket, goggles, etc.? Safety should be almost automatic.
I act agree with everything you posted
I don't yell at others they must take masks off
The mask debate is no different than smoking or drinking
A few idiots who think they know best and feel the desire to tell me how I will die of cancer or crash my car on the way home
People need to stop worrying what other adults do and worry about themselves
Then what's the purpose of debating the effectiveness or non-effectiveness of masks? You already seem to know these obvious truths. It's your choice not to wear one, but it's also fair that you should do so when when asked. Your choice not to wear a mask should not override someone else's requirement that you should.
Never mind the legal or health reasons. Just do it out of courtesy to other people.
Do you see anyone smoking indoors and what would happen to them if they did. Nobody cares when you see smokers freezing their cahonies outside, puff away but never indoors right?? Why not indoors, because it's the law and must be followed maybe??
We do. That's why we worry when we see others not wearing masks, thereby endangering us.
Was I off topic again?
Because by that style logic we should ban anything that is unhealthy
More people will die as a result of cigs than die as a result of covid as an example
Long term effects to health are well known and documented
But what many seem to overlook is the fact not everyone wins the cancer lottery
I see people in their 90s still puffing away on pipes even
Same with STIs
Is bareback riskier than condom? Sure.
But as with covid, if I fuck a woman with no STI there is 0% chance I get STI
If I french kiss a person without covid there is 0% chance I get covid
If I fuck someone with an STI I could catch an STI
IF I french kiss a person with covid I could catch covid
Its not a guarantee
Its just a percentage of probability
Since we know less than 1% of the population is susceptible to covid, why are we trying to enforce lockdowns and mask wearing and social distancing?
If I was 86 and had a serious illness trust me I would guarantee you I would be far more likely to stay home and wear a mask on those rare times I went outside
I will actually argue the lockdowns had a greater beneficial effect on OTHER medical conditions more so than on covid
We will need a few years to tally but I act think things like STIs and other communicable illnesses probably had reductions this year
I'd like to know what makes you think you know more than the experts in their field? What medical degree do you hold? What makes you an expert on anything to do with virology?
It's the right's version of free speech. People should be cancelled if they disagree with him.
It's no coincidence that the countries (mainly in Asia) who chose to pull cell data to trace infected people have kept their death rates much lower. I wouldn't be comfortable with the precedent it would set but I'd be happier with the results.
It's almost amusing to see people rejecting safety precautions on a site that bans all talk of sex without condoms.
Trump was right? So Covid=19 isn't really a big deal after all? Drinking bleach really helps?
People keep saying that you can't compare these things to covid because covid is a virus. Can't have it both ways. Injuries, car deaths, not applicable. And no government compels you to wear a rubber when you have sex.
Where did you get the idea that I want to ban anything unhealthy? I was asking you why you are re-opening a debate when you have no new information to add. I am happy to have a healthy debate if you have new information, but you have none. It's jus the same thing again and again.
Like I've already said, it makes no difference to me if you don't want to wear masks because that's your choice. At the same time, your freedom not to wear a mask does not override the freedoms of people that want you to wear them. If you don't like those rules then just go elsewhere. Not as if you have to go far either. Or you could grit your teeth for a brief period and wear a mask. Or not cause a commotion in a business or wear a shirt and shoes or how many other rules a business might want you follow.
The problem with your STI example is that you can't know with total certainty that the girl doesn't have any STI? Unless you're there with her while taking the test. The thing is that there's going to be a time delay between when she gets the test and when she has sex with you. That's opportunity to get infected with something. There is a non-zero chance that she can be infected with something. This is the same with covid. A negative test does not mean that you are safe and cannot be infected at some point after.
When we have no idea who is and who isn't a carrier then the only tool we have left is lockdowns. I do agree with you that lockdowns have been largely ineffective because each city has their own rules. As expected, people just drove to other parts of the GTA that were open. Then you have big box stores that were allowed to stay open, but smaller businesses offering the same goods could not.
We also chose not to track infected people for privacy reasons. These concerns can be mitigated, but we decided not to. Again, the only way you can address that lack of tracking is to lock everyone down.
The OP is talking about masks. I am comparing masks (aka safety devices) to other safety devices like seatbelts, helmets, condoms, etc. How is that having things both ways? All these things are neither 100% nor 0% effective. They all fall somewhere in between depending on how you use them. But that isn't a reason not to use them at all.
