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[needinit]

I think one of the most obvious issues with the market is that RIM and Apple are 'products' whereas Android OS is not as tied to physical devices so there are many more vendors able to utilize the 'system'.

Kind of like comparing cars to all other modes of transportation - of course Android OS will end up being dominant - just look at the rate of growth

 

[Powershot]

Everyone has their problems, no doubt. But your own issue was that you said you bricked your own phone while trying to flash it yourself.
I stated that the majority of others haven't had problems like you, but those that did, maybe they didn't know what they were doing? Who knows?

As for the recovery mode, there's an apparent solution within the thread that you posted a link to.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=728754

Closed nature makes it sound so nice, great choice of words, but with that, you should also add extremely proprietary $$$.

While I'm not a huge fan of either Android or iPhone, at least with Android you can download and work the source code yourself.

And your precious blackberry is wide open???

 

[Cobster]

It's not, but the difference is, I don't go touting it as being the be-all-end-all type device (like the Macheads tend to do....a lot).
Like I said before, had my carrier gave me a better renewal, I would have been with them still and have my very reliable Nokia still in hand.
My hand was forced to switch carriers and for the plan that I'm getting (unlimited data/voice for $40/month) so I had to choose from Wind's selection of phones - while not great, it was between a very basic Android device, another Nokia or a BlackBerry. So I went with BB and I like it, does what I need, calls and texting - surfing not a huge priority(but still good) , but emails and texting on it are excellent. The form factor I never liked before, but after using it for awhile now, I like it and understand the appearl towards the phone both in its physical sense and the way it functions.

 

[Cobster]

Just came across this article.

http://www.examiner.com/smartphones...-half-all-smartphone-sales-over-last-6-months

 

[onthebottom]

I read this one:

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...ry_users_to_switch_to_iphone_survey_says.html

Apparently both Apple and Verizon sold out today on their pre-orders....

Funny ad ripping ATT:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2H-3Gf_fL8&feature=player_embedded

OTB

 

[Cobster]

A few that will switch may be switching due to the hype of not having access to an iPhone and think the grass is greener. No big surprise that it's doing well considering it's taken how long to get on Verizon? lol
But Android still is grabbing a big chunk of the market share and targets predict that by 2014 it'll have 40%+ of it - just closed the tab a little while ago, wish I saved the link.

 

[onthebottom]

A few that will switch may be switching due to the hype of not having access to an iPhone and think the grass is greener. No big surprise that it's doing well considering it's taken how long to get on Verizon? lol
But Android still is grabbing a big chunk of the market share and targets predict that by 2014 it'll have 40%+ of it - just closed the tab a little while ago, wish I saved the link.

I think that could be right, depends on how large the smartphone market becomes. I see new adopters of smart phones to be younger, poorer and less likely to use all of the capabilities. You can really see that in internet usage by OS, iOS, RIM and Android have similar market share today but iOS has far higher internet usage than do RIM or Android. I think the RIM data can be explained by few apps, Android by fewer apps and users with less generous data plans or less sophisticated users.

I posted a report a while ago that showed that 9 of 10 apps sold in 2010 was on iOS.... pretty interesting given the parity in mobile OS.

OTB

 

[Cobster]

One would think that less sophisticated users would be attracted to the iOS and Mac products because of its heavy advertising and purrdy exteriors - gotta give credit to the industrial design team to Team Apple.
Interesting enough, I was just reading this thread about which phone would be easier to use.
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php/1697456-Andriod-or-iphone

A few of the comments

"iphone is definitely more user friendly for the less tech savvy. no matter how many models they put out, it's essentially the same phone. too much of a cookie cutter phone for my preference.
if u want more customization, android is the way to go. but then again, it's more intricate to do the personalized settings. "

"iPhone has a zero learning curve between devices really, because almost every iPhone out there is nearly identical. Which, to me, is a bit of a turn-off. "

"Oh mos definetly the iPhone. My 1st time using an iPhone was far easier than the day i recieved my Android. I'm loving android, and would take it over iOS ANYDAY, but for the average joe who isn't tech-savvy i'd suggest taking iOS. "

"both systems have there plus and minus, iphone gets boring after awhile, but theres alot of great things on each, but its what your needs are and what you like!! "


So by the comments along with the heavy marketing of iOS, I'd dare say that Android users would tend to be a bit more sophisticated than you'd assume, because it has a bit more in terms of its interface and customization options.'
Much like Linux, if you were to compare Apple and Linux users and who was more sophisticated...? lol

Blonde Bimbo with her iPhone/iMac and pink gel case for her iPhone, or, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFqj2hS_0iQ&feature=relmfu

 

[onthebottom]

One would think that less sophisticated users would be attracted to the iOS and Mac products because of its heavy advertising and purrdy exteriors - gotta give credit to the industrial design team to Team Apple.
Interesting enough, I was just reading this thread about which phone would be easier to use.
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php/1697456-Andriod-or-iphone

A few of the comments

"iphone is definitely more user friendly for the less tech savvy. no matter how many models they put out, it's essentially the same phone. too much of a cookie cutter phone for my preference.
if u want more customization, android is the way to go. but then again, it's more intricate to do the personalized settings. "

"iPhone has a zero learning curve between devices really, because almost every iPhone out there is nearly identical. Which, to me, is a bit of a turn-off. "

"Oh mos definetly the iPhone. My 1st time using an iPhone was far easier than the day i recieved my Android. I'm loving android, and would take it over iOS ANYDAY, but for the average joe who isn't tech-savvy i'd suggest taking iOS. "

"both systems have there plus and minus, iphone gets boring after awhile, but theres alot of great things on each, but its what your needs are and what you like!! "


So by the comments along with the heavy marketing of iOS, I'd dare say that Android users would tend to be a bit more sophisticated than you'd assume, because it has a bit more in terms of its interface and customization options.'
Much like Linux, if you were to compare Apple and Linux users and who was more sophisticated...? lol

Blonde Bimbo with her iPhone/iMac and pink gel case for her iPhone, or, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFqj2hS_0iQ&feature=relmfu

I've not used an android phone yet so I can't comment on the comparison but I will say the iPhone is VERY easy to use.

I'm thinking the rash of 2:1 deals in the US have filled the Android community with people who are less likley to use all the functions of a smartphone but gone one because it's cheap. I've meet several kids (late teens, early 20s) who got an Android phone because their parent got on and they got the free one.

While I've described RIMs demise as it's market share moving to Android what I really think is happening is that RIMs users are going to iPhones (I've seen this at my company) and much of the lower end market expansion (as the market grows) is going to Android. As the iPhone is available on more than one network it will be interesting to see what happens to market share, sales share and profit share going forward.

You may have linked to the wrong video, this is a geek girl talking about "pimping" linux....

OTB

 

[Cobster]

You may not have used an Android, but those who posted in the thread have and share their thoughts.
But the comments in the thread still stand on their own and seem to make your point about "less sophisticated users" moot in regards to Android users. lol
All of my clients use the following, business people, BlackBerries, their children, iPhones.

The point of the video was an example of showing how "less sophisticated" Android (Linux) users can be.

So I'll repeat...
So by the comments along with the heavy marketing of iOS, I'd dare say that Android users would tend to be a bit more sophisticated than you'd assume, because it has a bit more in terms of its interface and customization options.'
Much like Linux, if you were to compare Apple and Linux users and who was more sophisticated...?

 

[djk]

So I went with BB and I like it

I'm really surprised you went with a Blackberry given on how you say you don't like proprietary technology.

At least with the iPhone, if you jailbreak it, you can mod the hell out of it, just like an Android phone. The Blackberry is locked down and heavily integrated with RIM's backend. You can't do much besides load leaked ROMs on it or customize with themes.

Everything else is locked in with RIM.

 

[djk]

One would think that less sophisticated users would be attracted to the iOS and Mac products because of its heavy advertising and purrdy exteriors - gotta give credit to the industrial design team to Team Apple.
Interesting enough, I was just reading this thread about which phone would be easier to use.
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php/1697456-Andriod-or-iphone

A few of the comments

"iphone is definitely more user friendly for the less tech savvy. no matter how many models they put out, it's essentially the same phone. too much of a cookie cutter phone for my preference.
if u want more customization, android is the way to go. but then again, it's more intricate to do the personalized settings. "

"iPhone has a zero learning curve between devices really, because almost every iPhone out there is nearly identical. Which, to me, is a bit of a turn-off. "

"Oh mos definetly the iPhone. My 1st time using an iPhone was far easier than the day i recieved my Android. I'm loving android, and would take it over iOS ANYDAY, but for the average joe who isn't tech-savvy i'd suggest taking iOS. "

"both systems have there plus and minus, iphone gets boring after awhile, but theres alot of great things on each, but its what your needs are and what you like!! "


So by the comments along with the heavy marketing of iOS, I'd dare say that Android users would tend to be a bit more sophisticated than you'd assume, because it has a bit more in terms of its interface and customization options.'
Much like Linux, if you were to compare Apple and Linux users and who was more sophisticated...? lol

Blonde Bimbo with her iPhone/iMac and pink gel case for her iPhone, or, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFqj2hS_0iQ&feature=relmfu

Maybe for a teeny bopper. But what about a entrepreneur, executive or sales engineer?

What about their opportunity cost?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_cost

Spend a day learning how to use Android or spend a day closing $5k of sales?

 

[onthebottom]

You may not have used an Android, but those who posted in the thread have and share their thoughts.
But the comments in the thread still stand on their own and seem to make your point about "less sophisticated users" moot in regards to Android users. lol

If that's true why is the web usage so anemic? Perhaps less sophisticated is wrong, perhas just less financially robust is a better description. And clearly there are always exceptions.

All of my clients use the following, business people, BlackBerries, their children, iPhones.

That's because you're in Canada, outside of Canada (where there is a national pride thing with RIM) the shift is remarkable.

The point of the video was an example of showing how "less sophisticated" Android (Linux) users can be.

So I'll repeat...
So by the comments along with the heavy marketing of iOS, I'd dare say that Android users would tend to be a bit more sophisticated than you'd assume, because it has a bit more in terms of its interface and customization options.'
Much like Linux, if you were to compare Apple and Linux users and who was more sophisticated...?

Wait, so let me get this straight, Android/Linux users are both "less sophisticated" and "tend to be a bit more sophisticated" at the same time? Perhaps instead of just bickering with me you shoudl actually form a thought and then post it, if that's an option.

OTB

 

[djk]

That's because you're in Canada, outside of Canada (where there is a national pride thing with RIM) the shift is remarkable.

I work at a large Canadian corporation. A few years ago, it was all Blackberries here.

Now it's 50/50, iPhone vs Blackberry. I only know of two individuals using Android with Touchdown for Exchange.

 

[Cobster]

If that's true why is the web usage so anemic? Perhaps less sophisticated is wrong, perhas just less financially robust is a better description. And clearly there are always exceptions.



That's because you're in Canada, outside of Canada (where there is a national pride thing with RIM) the shift is remarkable.



Wait, so let me get this straight, Android/Linux users are both "less sophisticated" and "tend to be a bit more sophisticated" at the same time? Perhaps instead of just bickering with me you shoudl actually form a thought and then post it, if that's an option.

OTB

The "less sophisticated" was in reference to your quote with a touch of cynicism, in that, they actually aren't less sophisticated. My apologies if that was a bit too advanced for you to comprehend Pops.


Where are you seeing the remarkable shift from Blackberries to iPhone (outside N.A.)?

 

[KBear]

Had some problems with my BB that could not be resolved by the carrier, called RIM, and was told that RIM offers NO customer support. Wtf. Maybe RIM could get away with this attitude when they had the market, but now with the serious competition I think the lack of customer service is another reason why they are going down. RIM is the last product I want to buy at this point.

 

[Cobster]

I'm really surprised you went with a Blackberry given on how you say you don't like proprietary technology.

At least with the iPhone, if you jailbreak it, you can mod the hell out of it, just like an Android phone. The Blackberry is locked down and heavily integrated with RIM's backend. You can't do much besides load leaked ROMs on it or customize with themes.

Everything else is locked in with RIM.

Not sure if you missed this part or intentionally omitted it...
"so I had to choose from Wind's selection of phones - while not great, it was between a very basic Android device, another Nokia or a BlackBerry."

The basic Android device wasn't all that great, the Huawawiwiwie's weren't appealing at all, they had a Nokia touch screen device - surprisingly didn't like that one either.
So I was left with BB which initially I wasn't too keen on, but I grew to like it and understand its appeal.


Btw, I like the simplicity of BBs phone which I also mentioned earlier, it's great at what its intended to do - communicate - phone/text/email.
The form factor really grew on me as I stated before that I didn't like it much - when I didn't own one.

 

[Cobster]

Had some problems with my BB that could not be resolved by the carrier, called RIM, and was told that RIM offers NO customer support. Wtf. Maybe RIM could get away with this attitude when they had the market, but now with the serious competition I think the lack of customer service is another reason why they are going down. RIM is the last product I want to buy at this point.

What problems?

 

[djk]

Had some problems with my BB that could not be resolved by the carrier, called RIM, and was told that RIM offers NO customer support. Wtf. Maybe RIM could get away with this attitude when they had the market, but now with the serious competition I think the lack of customer service is another reason why they are going down. RIM is the last product I want to buy at this point.

RIM won't talk to you unless you have a carrier code. Basically, you need to pay for any type of phone support from RIM.

I agree with your point that they need to get their heads out of their ass and realize they're not the only game in town, anymore. However, based on their recent moves, I doubt this will happen in the near future.

 

[djk]

Not sure if you missed this part or intentionally omitted it...
"so I had to choose from Wind's selection of phones - while not great, it was between a very basic Android device, another Nokia or a BlackBerry."

The basic Android device wasn't all that great, the Huawawiwiwie's weren't appealing at all, they had a Nokia touch screen device - surprisingly didn't like that one either.
So I was left with BB which initially I wasn't too keen on, but I grew to like it and understand its appeal.


Btw, I like the simplicity of BBs phone which I also mentioned earlier, it's great at what its intended to do - communicate - phone/text/email.
The form factor really grew on me as I stated before that I didn't like it much - when I didn't own one.

What didn't you like about the basic Android device?