Lockdowns will cause 10 times more harm to human health than COVID-19 itself, says infectious disease expert
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good points, Swedens cases are going really high...deaths? Oct 22nd 1 death reported
The pro-lockdown people keep arguing for something that can never be successfully implemented here. Your masks and lockdowns are a bandaid against a disease that's going to roll right through you regardless.
Have to give them credit. No matter how many times they fail, they keep trying to push for silly policies that will only lead to greater hardship and death for their fellow citizens.
In 10 years when this is ancient history, they will look back and see how ridiculous their position was. They won't admit it and instead tell their grandkids a revisionist story about how they were against lockdowns when political interests were imposing them.
Have to give them credit. No matter how many times they fail, they keep trying to push for silly policies that will only lead to greater hardship and death for their fellow citizens.
In 10 years when this is ancient history, they will look back and see how ridiculous their position was. They won't admit it and instead tell their grandkids a revisionist story about how they were against lockdowns when political interests were imposing them.
China, like NZ, had hard lockdowns which led to infections being reduced to practically nil. The success of these lockdowns allowed them to open up again & return to "life as normal".
In Taiwan they closed their borders very early in the pandemic & had an effective contact tracing system in place. Japan & S.Korea have also effectively used contact tracing.
Recent deaths are low among Sweden's 3 Nordic neighbours also. OTOH Sweden has way more total deaths than their 3 Nordic neighbours (Norway, Finland, Denmark) combined while Sweden has a 50% larger population than the 3 of them combined. And Sweden is no better off economically. Clearly hard lockdowns, as occurred in those 3 nations, were the superior choice to Sweden's soft voluntary isolation approach.
Sweden dead = 5,918
Norway dead = 278
Finland dead = 346
Denmark dead = 677
"2 new studies show shutdowns were astonishingly effective
In the United States, the public health measures averted 60 million infections, researchers found.
...researchers looked at the number of deaths from Covid-19 in 11 countries in Europe. They found that 3.1 million deaths in these countries were avoided with pandemic control measures.
... shutdowns do work at saving lives and reducing the burden on the health care system.
...It echoes an earlier finding that the US could have avoided 36,000 deaths from Covid-19 if the country implemented pandemic control measures just one week earlier.
www.vox.com
In the United States, the public health measures averted 60 million infections, researchers found.
...researchers looked at the number of deaths from Covid-19 in 11 countries in Europe. They found that 3.1 million deaths in these countries were avoided with pandemic control measures.
... shutdowns do work at saving lives and reducing the burden on the health care system.
...It echoes an earlier finding that the US could have avoided 36,000 deaths from Covid-19 if the country implemented pandemic control measures just one week earlier.
2 new studies show shutdowns were astonishingly effective
In the United States, the public health measures averted 60 million infections, researchers found.
www.vox.com
They're not getting more visitors now, summer is over, travel into these countries is heavily restricted, and STILL Italy's new cases are skyrocketing
The topic was lockdowns vs no lockdown in the past, not comparative infections now.
Recent deaths are low among Sweden's 3 Nordic neighbours also. OTOH Sweden has way more total deaths than their 3 Nordic neighbours (Norway, Finland, Denmark) combined while Sweden has a 50% larger population than the 3 of them combined. And Sweden is no better off economically. Clearly hard lockdowns, as occurred in those 3 nations, were the superior choice to Sweden's soft voluntary isolation approach.
Sweden dead = 5,918
Norway dead = 278
Finland dead = 346
Denmark dead = 677
BTW Sweden's new cases are skyrocketing.
No doubt Spain & the UK got more visitors than Sweden did from hotspots like China & Iran. And Italy got more, too, as i already said to you before.
It's irrelevant to try to compare apples with banana peels. It's relevant to compare like with like, hence the comparison of Sweden with its 3 Northern European Nordic neighbours.
Sweden is relatively isolated up in Northern Europe, more people live alone in Sweden, & Sweden did not have (as Italy did) a humongous influx of infected Chinese from Wuhan early in the year, or a hug the Chinese campaign (that Italy did) that followed that, etc, etc, etc.
Sweden has way more total deaths than their 3 Nordic neighbours (Norway, Finland, Denmark) combined while Sweden has a 50% larger population than the 3 of them combined. And Sweden is no better off economically. Clearly hard lockdowns, as occurred in those 3 nations, were the superior choice to Sweden's soft voluntary isolation approach.
Sweden dead = 5,918
Norway dead = 278
Finland dead = 346
Denmark dead = 677
"Damn the science denying "Stable Genius" crowd, you all have the same commonality of not retaining, or understanding any information that you read, specifically if you have a predisposition on it formed from your biased & non factual way of thinking.
Here is a thread that I've explained the great similarities of Nordic countries to one another and the differences to other European countries from them, there is also articles linked in there that also touches on the point of sociological norms from Nordic countries to one another and the difference to other European countries.
https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/swe...rs-show-a-different-story.710402/post-6688596
If you lived in Europe and you didn't understand the undeniable similarities of Nordic countries to one another and their difference to the rest of Europe you lived an uninformed life. Even after this has been explained to you numerous times in different threads it's astonishing that you still do not understand this. One would have to be completely oblivious to it's surroundings and facts to not understand this.
Not that I expect you to understand or retain any of the information from the posts or articles in that thread.
Now your turn to answer the previous questions which you don't have a logical response for.
The scientific data shows the rate of transmission in both Sweden and Denmark is very similar proving your non factual theory to be false. Please do explain how you view Denmark to be in a 2nd wave yet you view Sweden's number of cases to be on a downslope and it being proof of Sweden reaching herd immunity?
Please also do explain how you originally thought the reduced number of deaths was proof of herd immunity?"
https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/why-most-masks-dont-work.726027/page-12#post-6839960
Sweden has way more total deaths than their 3 Nordic neighbours (Norway, Finland, Denmark) combined while Sweden has a 50% larger population than the 3 of them combined. And Sweden is no better off economically. Clearly hard lockdowns, as occurred in those 3 nations, were the superior choice to Sweden's soft voluntary isolation approach.
Sweden dead = 5,918
Norway dead = 278
Finland dead = 346
Denmark dead = 677
Denmark's 2nd wave is already declining while their deaths are almost nil & way lower than Sweden in Sweden's first wave.
OTOH Sweden's 2nd wave is spiking, skyrocketing, with no end in sight & its first wave had way more deaths than Denmark.
Bottom line: Sweden (no lockdown) is the loser. Denmark (lockdown) is the winner.
"After Months of Minimal COVID-19 Containment, Sweden Appears to Be Considering a New Approach":
time.com
"Sweden on lockdown: Country to bring in local shutdowns to fight coronavirus crisis":
www.express.co.uk
Sweden May Be Strengthening Its Lax COVID-19 Containment Strategy
It will include new local recommendations
"Sweden on lockdown: Country to bring in local shutdowns to fight coronavirus crisis":
Sweden on lockdown: Country to bring in local shutdowns to fight covid
SWEDEN is to impose local lockdowns to curb the rapid spread of the coronavirus pandemic.
www.express.co.uk
Lmao"After Months of Minimal COVID-19 Containment, Sweden Appears to Be Considering a New Approach":
Sweden May Be Strengthening Its Lax COVID-19 Containment Strategy
It will include new local recommendations
"Sweden on lockdown: Country to bring in local shutdowns to fight coronavirus crisis":
Sweden on lockdown: Country to bring in local shutdowns to fight covid
SWEDEN is to impose local lockdowns to curb the rapid spread of the coronavirus pandemic.
Posts a week old article that includes the following:
“Unlike other countries, these new measures are just guidelines rather than imposing fines on anyone who breaches the rules.”
They are RECOMMENDATIONS that we’ve already covered.
You. Are. Wrong.
Firstly, are you not aware that Swedes have a high degree of compliance to recommendations by their health authorities?
Secondly, the articles refer to new recommendations.
Thirdly, they indicate a move more towards being more shutdown as opposed to opening up more.
Fourth: they've admitted that they've failed to reach "herd immunity".
"After Months of Minimal COVID-19 Containment, Sweden Appears to Be Considering a New Approach":
Sweden May Be Strengthening Its Lax COVID-19 Containment Strategy
It will include new local recommendations
"Sweden on lockdown: Country to bring in local shutdowns to fight coronavirus crisis":
Sweden on lockdown: Country to bring in local shutdowns to fight covid
SWEDEN is to impose local lockdowns to curb the rapid spread of the coronavirus pandemic.
www.express.co.uk
Stating something repeatedly like a self hypnotizing brainwashing mantra does not make it true, let alone convince the intelligent, or address my reply:
https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/loc...nfectious-disease-expert.727689/#post-6842941
https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/why-most-masks-dont-work.726027/page-14#post-6844161
Sweden 'to start lockdowns' as it has world's 12th highest Covid-19 death rate
Health authorities in Sweden are poised to start introducing local lockdowns to stop a surge in new cases, it is claimed - although these will not be legally enforceable
www.mirror.co.uk
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Sweden " recorded its highest tally of deaths in the first half of 2020 for 150 years, the Statistics Office said on Wednesday."
"... COVID-19 meant that deaths were some 10 percent higher than the average for the period over the last five years, the Statistics Office said. In April the number of deaths was almost 40% higher than average due to a surge in COVID-related fatalities.
"... The economy of Finland also outperformed its larger neighbour (=Sweden) in the second quarter, despite a tougher lockdown. Finland’s gross domestic product shrank around 5% against an 8.6% contraction in Sweden from the previous three-month period.
ca.reuters.com
"... COVID-19 meant that deaths were some 10 percent higher than the average for the period over the last five years, the Statistics Office said. In April the number of deaths was almost 40% higher than average due to a surge in COVID-related fatalities.
"... The economy of Finland also outperformed its larger neighbour (=Sweden) in the second quarter, despite a tougher lockdown. Finland’s gross domestic product shrank around 5% against an 8.6% contraction in Sweden from the previous three-month period.
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Yes number cases are high in Sweden, Here are the number of cases for Sweden just in the last 5 days they have been reported so far. Which some of these reported daily number of cases might even be adjusted next week. Understanding what that means is very important.
Oct 18----------321
Oct 19----------772
Oct 20----------1293
Oct 21----------1575
Oct 22----------1255
Sweden COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Sweden Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
Deaths overall worldwide have been lower in the last while, although in recent days it's starting to go higher.
People do need to understand Sweden overall is significantly higher in the number of deaths per population than it's Nordic neighbours, and even with the lower rate of deaths currently being seen in Sweden, it is just comparable to only one of their Nordic bordering neighbours countries Denmark, yet this current lower rate of deaths is still substantially higher than Finland and Norway in recent times by roughly 3X higher.
Deaths since Sept 1
Sweden----------93----------9.2/Mln
Denmark--------69----------11.9/Mln
Norway----------15----------2.8/Mln
Finland-----------17----------3.1/Mln
