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Just some thoughts for Bob Dylan fans who might have some time on a lazy Sunday afternoon.

After hearing a radio program this morning about Bob Dylan and his switch from folk hero to pop icon, I did a little bit of reading on the internet. It took me from Like a Rolling Stone to The Band to Jimi Hendrix.

The radio interview referred to a famous Dylan performance in Manchester England in 1966. He played the first set with guitar and harmonica and he was well received. The second set he went electric and the reception was icy, to say the least. In the pause before the second to last song, someone in the crowd shouted out “Judas”, which accurately reflected the feelings of betrayal felt by Dylan fans and the folk movement of the day. Dylan responded by saying, “I don't believe you. You're a liar"! He then told the band to "play it fucking loud" Here is a recording of part of that performance in Manchester. There are lots of other versions on Youtube. Its interesting to see the many versions of the song. The higher quality recordings are the later versions. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlVyIzVa4H0

The song is based upon a short story written by Dylan about a debutante who becomes a loner when she falls out of high society. The lyrics that made it into the song are only a small part of what was in the story. Some pop historians say the song is about his friend Joan Baez, while others say it is self referential. In 2004, Rolling Stone magazine ranked it the greatest song of all time.

Dylan recorded another version in 1970 for his Self Portrait album. This time, he used experienced session players in Nashville, Tennessee. Ron Cornelius played guitar on the album and told us about the session: "You're not reading manuscripts. In Nashville the players are booked because of what they can create right now, not what's written on a piece of paper. Everybody's creating their part as the tape is rolling. Out of everybody I've worked with, I don't know of anyone who's been any nicer than Bob Dylan. He treated me wonderfully, but at the same time you knew being around him day after day that this man wakes up in a different world every morning. On a creative level that's a really good thing and to try to second guess him or to ask him what he actually meant by these lyrics, you're shooting in the dark because he's not going to tell you anyway. And he might be telling you the truth when he says "I don't know, what does it mean to you.'"
http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=2737

Jimi Hendrix, who was a big Dylan fan, played the song at the famous Monterrey Pop Festival. For those who are interested, here is a video of the event. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYwZ8I8wOGA

An interesting account of the song and how it was recorded: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/6595846/like_a_rolling_stone

“There is nothing like any sort of system evident in the recording session. To traditional professional musicians, it would have seemed like mayhem. There were no charts, no arrangement. Dylan lacked any sort of language to convey to the others whatever sound he may have wished to hear. It seems simply a process of trial and error, and mostly error, with the recording tape continually rolling, ready to capture whatever might emerge, and with most of the takes breaking down mid-song after obvious failures. There was general satisfaction expressed after only one take — the one that eventually became the master — but even then, there was no indication that anyone thought that they were done, or had produced what would eventually be hailed as the most masterful rock recording of all time.” http://www.reasontorock.com/tracks/like_a_rolling_stone.html

“I had them play me the fucking thing five times straight before I could say anything. What I realized while I was sitting there was that one of US — one of the so-called Village hipsters — was making music that could compete with THEM — the Beatles and the Stones and the Dave Clark Five — without sacrificing any of the integrity of folk music or the power of rock ’n’ roll. “
— Record Producer Paul Rothchild

I wonder if the lyics have a special resonance for terbites. Especially the chorus:

Like A Rolling Stone
Once upon a time you dressed so fine
You threw the bums a dime in your prime, didn't you?
People'd call, say, "Beware doll, you're bound to fall"
You thought they were all kiddin' you
You used to laugh about
Everybody that was hangin' out
Now you don't talk so loud
Now you don't seem so proud
About having to be scrounging for your next meal.

How does it feel
How does it feel
To be without a home
Like a complete unknown
Like a rolling stone?

You've gone to the finest school all right, Miss Lonely
But you know you only used to get juiced in it
And nobody has ever taught you how to live on the street
And now you find out you're gonna have to get used to it
You said you'd never compromise
With the mystery tramp, but now you realize
He's not selling any alibis
As you stare into the vacuum of his eyes
And ask him do you want to make a deal?

How does it feel
How does it feel
To be on your own
With no direction home
Like a complete unknown
Like a rolling stone?

You never turned around to see the frowns on the jugglers and the clowns
When they all come down and did tricks for you
You never understood that it ain't no good
You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you
You used to ride on the chrome horse with your diplomat
Who carried on his shoulder a Siamese cat
Ain't it hard when you discover that
He really wasn't where it's at
After he took from you everything he could steal.

How does it feel
How does it feel
To be on your own
With no direction home
Like a complete unknown
Like a rolling stone?

Princess on the steeple and all the pretty people
They're drinkin', thinkin' that they got it made
Exchanging all kinds of precious gifts and things
But you'd better lift your diamond ring, you'd better pawn it babe
You used to be so amused
At Napoleon in rags and the language that he used
Go to him now, he calls you, you can't refuse
When you got nothing, you got nothing to lose
You're invisible now, you got no secrets to conceal.

How does it feel
How does it feel
To be on your own
With no direction home
Like a complete unknown
Like a rolling stone?
 

james t kirk

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Interesting story I remember reading that when Mick Jagger heard the song, he thought it was about him and he remarked to Richards, "What do you think he means by that?"

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OnTheWayOut

Dylan turned me on ..... indirectly

I used to have a FWB whose biggest drawback was that she was a Dylan fan. Had to play Dylan music while we fucked .... but whatever he did to her she did to me and it was worth it *lol*
 

Questor

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james t kirk said:
Interesting story I remember reading that when Mick Jagger heard the song, he thought it was about him and he remarked to Richards, "What do you think he means by that?"

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Yes, exactly. The lyrics are very cryptic.

Anyone who takes the time to read some of the background on the song found at the links above might be interested to hear this more complete 1966 performance of the song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO0gSJGJ7Fs Listening to the performance, I can kind of imagine what that original recording session must have been like.

One of the articles I read referred to how the change in direction captured in this song influenced so many songwriters of the day. For example, John Lennon. In 1964, the Beatles were recording stuff like She Loves You and I Want to Hold Your Hand. Great songs, but not terribly sophistocated. That's the way rock and roll was back then. Dylan recorded Like a Rolling Stone in June 1965. By 1967, I think the Beatles were into their Sgt. Pepper phase. Now some of that change was probably due to natural personal growth and evolution. But Dylan was breaking trail for eveyone with songs like Like a Rolling Stone. He opened all kinds of doors for songwriters. He came out of the folk music movement based in the coffee houses of Grenwich Village. And I read somewhere that Dylan probably saw these rock groups of the day performing to sold out stadiums, and then looked at what he was playing to in the coffee houses, and he must have realized that so much more was possible.
 

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The Greatest Song of All Time? Hmmmm.

You could argue that it wasn't even the greatest Dylan song of the mid 60's, considering Just Like a Woman, Mr Tambourine Man and Positively 4th Street.
 

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Questor said:
Yes, exactly. The lyrics are very cryptic.

Anyone who takes the time to read some of the background on the song found at the links above might be interested to hear this more complete 1966 performance of the song. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xO0gSJGJ7Fs Listening to the performance, I can kind of imagine what that original recording session must have been like.

One of the articles I read referred to how the change in direction captured in this song influenced so many songwriters of the day. For example, John Lennon. In 1964, the Beatles were recording stuff like She Loves You and I Want to Hold Your Hand. Great songs, but not terribly sophistocated. That's the way rock and roll was back then. Dylan recorded Like a Rolling Stone in June 1965. By 1967, I think the Beatles were into their Sgt. Pepper phase. Now some of that change was probably due to natural personal growth and evolution. But Dylan was breaking trail for eveyone with songs like Like a Rolling Stone. He opened all kinds of doors for songwriters. He came out of the folk music movement based in the coffee houses of Grenwich Village. And I read somewhere that Dylan probably saw these rock groups of the day performing to sold out stadiums, and then looked at what he was playing to in the coffee houses, and he must have realized that so much more was possible.
The Beatles released "Rubber Soul" in December 65 and Revolver hot on its heels in August of 66. (Amazing when you look at bands today that often take 5 years between album releasees.) Two of the most seminal Beatles albums ever produced. I would argue that it was Rubber Soul and subsequently Revolver that marked the most dramatic shift in the type of music the Beatles were producing at the time.

Like a Rolling Stone was released in July of 1965. I don't know what effect it would have had on the Beatles at the time they were producing Rubber Soul, though there is no doubt that by the time the Beatles did release Rubber Soul they were hugely influenced by Bob Dylan.

St. Pepper in 67 was another step forward into yet another different sound and direction for the Beatles, however, the change that the Beatles went through from singing "She Loves You" occurred prior to Sgt. Pepper with Rubber Soul.
 

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Greil Marcus wrote a book on this song called "Like a Rolling Stone: Bob Dylan at the Crossroads." Chapters had the hardcover version on for 5 bucks. It talks in great detail about the session that created the song as well as what was taking place in society at the time the song was released. A worthwhile read, IMHO.
 

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you guys can pontificate all you want about 1 song in the history of rock...all i care is thats the song i want when i get a lap dance..lol
 

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james t kirk said:
The Beatles released "Rubber Soul" in December 65 and Revolver hot on its heels in August of 66. (Amazing when you look at bands today that often take 5 years between album releasees.) Two of the most seminal Beatles albums ever produced. I would argue that it was Rubber Soul and subsequently Revolver that marked the most dramatic shift in the type of music the Beatles were producing at the time.

Like a Rolling Stone was released in July of 1965. I don't know what effect it would have had on the Beatles at the time they were producing Rubber Soul, though there is no doubt that by the time the Beatles did release Rubber Soul they were hugely influenced by Bob Dylan.

St. Pepper in 67 was another step forward into yet another different sound and direction for the Beatles, however, the change that the Beatles went through from singing "She Loves You" occurred prior to Sgt. Pepper with Rubber Soul.
I agree. I just used Sgt. Pepper as an example of how much the music evolved. Certainly Rubber Soul and Revolver were the start of it. And I wouldn't claim to know specifically what influence Like a Rolling Stone had on the Beatles and Rubber Soul. I was just pointing out that Dylan was out front, as were the Beatles, in the growing sophistication of rock music. I was more of a Beatles fan back then. I've learned to appreciate Dylan more since then.
 

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Great story. Thanks.
No problem. I enjoyed reading about it and writing it. Btw when Dylan turned to the band in Manchester and said, "Play it fucking loud," he was, of course, talking to Canada's own Robbie Robertson and The Band, who back him up during that whole tour. Every gig was the same with the audience turning against Dylan as soon as he started the "electric" set. It was so bad that The Band drummer Levon Helm quit the tour after 3 months because he couldn't take the negative reception. But that's a whole other story...damn wikipedia! The links keep going and going. From The Band to Cathy Smith (Levon Helm's girlfriend from Hamilton) to Gordon Lightfoot (she was a real groupie and was with Lightfoot after Helm, "inspiring" him to write the song "Sundown") to John Belushi (she injected Bulushi with the speedballs that killed him), and on and on.
 

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Come gather 'round people
Wherever you roam
And admit that the waters
Around you have grown
And accept it that soon
You'll be drenched to the bone.
If your time to you
Is worth savin'
Then you better start swimmin'
Or you'll sink like a stone
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come writers and critics
Who prophesize with your pen
And keep your eyes wide
The chance won't come again
And don't speak too soon
For the wheel's still in spin
And there's no tellin' who
That it's namin'.
For the loser now
Will be later to win
For the times they are a-changin'
Come senators, congressmen
Please heed the call
Don't stand in the doorway
Don't block up the hall
For he that gets hurt
Will be he who has stalled
There's a battle outside
And it is ragin'.
It'll soon shake your windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'.

Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don't criticize
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is
Rapidly agin'.
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin'.

The line it is drawn
The curse it is cast
The slow one now
Will later be fast
As the present now
Will later be past
The order is
Rapidly fadin'.
And the first one now
Will later be last
For the times they are a-changin'.
 

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Questor said:
After hearing a radio program this morning about Bob Dylan and his switch from folk hero to pop icon, I did a little bit of reading on the internet. It took me from Like a Rolling Stone to The Band to Jimi Hendrix.
If you haven't seen it yet, I strongly recommend watching "No Direction Home" Martin Scorcese's documentary on Dylan. Dylan who is famously close lipped really opened up to answer Scorcese's questions.

There are clips of the "Judas" concert in there.
 
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