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Life in suburbia costs more than you'd think

Jan. 25, 2004

Commuting, home maintenance drive up expenses

Living in the city can be cheaper, study concludes

LAURIE MONSEBRAATEN

Toronto Star FEATURE WRITER



So you're moving to the suburbs to get twice the house for half the price?

Not so fast, says a new study of housing and transportation costs in Greater Toronto.

The cost of commuting often eats into any mortgage savings, says the study commissioned by the Neptis Foundation. And bigger suburban houses are more expensive to run than the typical downtown digs.

In the end, according to the study to be released today, suburban living may be no cheaper and may actually cost more for the average family than buying in the city.

It's a message the study's authors hope politicians, planners and the public take to heart as the new provincial Liberals debate how best to curb urban sprawl around Toronto.

"It is generally believed that many households choose to live in suburban locations either because housing costs are lower there or because households can obtain `more house' for a given expenditure," says the study headed by University of Toronto transportation planning expert Eric Miller.

"But housing costs and travel costs tend to increase as one moves away from the central areas of the region's cities, particularly from (downtown) Toronto," the study says.

"The idea that city living is too expensive just does not seem to hold up," it concludes.

In 1996, (the latest year for which complete comparable data is available) the study estimates that a family with one car living 50 kilometres outside downtown Toronto, spent $1,600 more a year on travel. For households with two vehicles the norm for most suburban families the annual cost rises to about $5,800 more.

The same house in the suburbs would cost about $1,100 a year more in mortgage, property taxes, utilities and maintenance to run than a similarly valued home downtown.

"We certainly expected the transportation costs to rise," Miller said in an interview. "What surprised us was that housing expenditures also tended to rise."

But when you consider the larger homes and lot sizes in the suburbs, it makes sense that it would cost more to maintain them, he said.

Miller and his team used Statistics Canada census information on household expenditures, Toronto Real Estate Board data, automobile ownership surveys and transportation studies for Hamilton, Halton, Peel, York, Toronto and Durham. And although Miller was only able to obtain Statscan data from 1986 to 1996, he predicts that as 2001 census information becomes available, the trend will continue.

"I think these trends will become more dramatic over time, especially with respect to transportation costs," he said.

While the study didn't include the value of time spent travelling or the social and environmental costs of sprawling development and traffic congestion, Miller said that can't be ignored.

"If you are constantly travelling so you never have time to enjoy your backyard, what's the point of having that backyard?" he said.

The study is one of a series commissioned by the independent, privately endowed Neptis Foundation aimed at informing debate about urban issues affecting Greater Toronto.

"One of the main questions the study raises is: Are there other options we should be considering on the housing side?" Miller said. "Can we provide affordable housing closer (to downtown) or in different ways to reduce some of those transportation costs?"

Denise Nicholson, 33 and her husband Rob, 38, were dismayed by the lack of housing options in Toronto.

The couple, who were renting an apartment at Yonge St. and St. Clair Ave., had a baby last March. "We were looking for a house around $350,000 to $400,000 tops. We were looking at semi-detached houses with no garage, two bedrooms and a den they called three bedrooms," Nicholson said. Since her husband had just started a job in Markham, Nicholson suggested they look there.

They wound up getting twice the house for their money and are happy in their 2,200-square-foot home in an established neighbourhood near Main St. and Highway 16.While her husband is much closer to work, the commute time about 25 minutes is about the same as when he was travelling to Markham from midtown Toronto.

But Nicholson admits they are likely spending more to heat and maintain their Markham home than they would have spent on a similarly priced house on a smaller Toronto lot. "We've had to buy a lawn mower and patio furniture for the backyard," she said. "We've also had to buy more furniture for the house."

The Neptis study acknowledges house price isn't the only reason people move to the suburbs. Many people are attracted to the larger houses and more open space.

Kym Cronin, 37, and her husband Geoff, 42, are former Toronto residents who moved to the suburbs for the lifestyle.

They moved from Mississauga when their first child was born 16 months ago, to be close to Geoff's brother and his family.

"We could have bought a pretty nice house in Toronto for what we paid to live here, but with the new baby and me home on maternity leave, we wanted to be closer to family," said Cronin, a film industry executive.

In fact, Cronin believes she has the best of both worlds. She's a 10-minute walk to the Streetsville GO station, and can be at her desk in downtown Toronto within 40 minutes. And the commute gives the new mom 30 minutes a day to read. On weekends, they are just a 15-minute stroll to the old town of Streetsville, where there are nice shops and good restaurants.

Miller says Streetsville, where there are both local options for pedestrian travel as well as transit for longer trips, is an example of how new suburban communities should be built.

Car travel is not necessarily evil, he said. In fact, for families, it's a reasonably efficient way to travel. The problem " is that we have locked so many people into single-occupancy car trips for so much of what we do and there are no other options," he said.

There will always be people who want their 50-foot lots and maybe they should have them, Miller said. But maybe those lots aren't being priced properly.

"There's a strong argument to be made that a lot of this sprawl has gone on in a way that is under-priced. True social costs are not being captured anywhere in the system."

Miller pointed to the United States, where several American lenders provide mortgage incentives to families who live in energy-efficient homes near public transit.

In Canada, MP John Godfrey, responsible for the cities file, has said he thinks the federal Canada Mortgage and Housing Corp. should be providing similar breaks for Canadians who would like to live closer to downtown, but can't afford it.

Empty nesters David Dugas, 53, and his wife Carol, 45, are an example of a new trend of suburbanites moving downtown.

They traded in their 3,000-square-foot Burlington home for a small Beach row house in 1999 and have no regrets.

Dugas figures they spend less on heating and maintaining their city house. But it's the difference in car use that he notices. The owner and manager of a cleaning business still drives to work, but no longer must travel on highways that can turn into a nightmare in bad weather."When you live in the suburbs you have to jump in your car to go anywhere," he said. "Here we can walk to see a movie and go to a restaurant. It's great."

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I live in the Inner City of Toronto. I am quite happy here.

I'd sooner eat glass than live in the 905 wasteland. A fate worse than death as far as I'm concerned. Boring, endless confusing streets with no character, built too wide, miles and miles of pressure treated wood fencing as far as the eye can see, decks, SUV's, minivans and dust from new shitty houses going up in the near by lots forever. Nothing to do, you have to drive everywhere, shitty chain restaurants like Milestones and the Keg and Canyon Creek and Baton Rouge. Fuck me.

But I'm glad people choose to live in the Hinterland. I don't want too many people clogging up my fair town.
 

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BTW, building in the burbs costs far more per capita than building in the city. You've got low population densities - spread over a large area that all require servicing (sewers, water, streets, hydro, etc. etc.)

Very inefficient way to live.
 

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Great article however, I would never want to raise a family in Scarborough. Plus traffic is so bad in Toronto, just to get from A to B would take twice the time as it would in the suburbs. Plus, you can always take the Go Train. Their are plus and minus to both however, I have lived in the city for 40 years and I prefer the suburb. Mind you their are some great neighborhoods in Toronto but they are too expensive to live in. I can't afford a million dollar home to live there...
 

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This study's conclusion is bang on. The traffic in the suburbs is even worst than south of 401. The driving distance and time wasted are also important factor, just wait for gas to go back up and feel the pain.
 

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I live in the Inner City of Toronto. I am quite happy here.

I'd sooner eat glass than live in the 905 wasteland. A fate worse than death as far as I'm concerned. Boring, endless confusing streets with no character, built too wide, miles and miles of pressure treated wood fencing as far as the eye can see, decks, SUV's, minivans and dust from new shitty houses going up in the near by lots forever. Nothing to do, you have to drive everywhere, shitty chain restaurants like Milestones and the Keg and Canyon Creek and Baton Rouge. Fuck me.

But I'm glad people choose to live in the Hinterland. I don't want too many people clogging up my fair town.
Well said.
 

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I live in the Inner City of Toronto. I am quite happy here.

I'd sooner eat glass than live in the 905 wasteland. A fate worse than death as far as I'm concerned. Boring, endless confusing streets with no character, built too wide, miles and miles of pressure treated wood fencing as far as the eye can see, decks, SUV's, minivans and dust from new shitty houses going up in the near by lots forever. Nothing to do, you have to drive everywhere, shitty chain restaurants like Milestones and the Keg and Canyon Creek and Baton Rouge. Fuck me.

But I'm glad people choose to live in the Hinterland. I don't want too many people clogging up my fair town.
I agree. I live downtown in Calgary and I walk to work. My day starts in the fresh air with a stroll, I work, hit the gym, walk home. I drive about 100 - 500 kms a month, ,typically for groceries with a trip out the Banff for the day. In the past 5 days I've driven a grand total of 2 kms to return my empties. I can stumbled to a dozen pubs in 5 minutes, haven't seen in a cab in a few years & could survive easily without a car. The best example of urban living is in Yaletown/West Vancouver which is incredibly dense & has streets that are poppin even on a Monday night.
 

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Yup, I live in the City and I can get almost everywhere (except CB) by walking, biking or taking the TTC. My pet peeve is that there are too many damn "porch people" and "patio people".

BTW: The City has passed a bylaw to restrict the number of cars one can park in their driveway. Wish they would pass a similar bylaw limiting the number of people who are allowed to sit or sleep on porches.
 

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I think this writer is confused, 905 is not the only suburbs. Plenty of suburbs in york, etobicoke, North york, and scarborough, and they all have nice neighbourhoods. This writer remind me of many a city councillor who are so downtown centric that have no idea about the rest of the city.
 

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The advanatage of the 905 are big house, big yard, big lot, pool, trees/landscaping, more peace ad quiet. One pays a premium for this.

The 905 is not so good for people who are trying to save money. They buy cookie-cutter houses that aren't much bigger than city townhouses with no land jammed up against each other in depressing "communities" of other such building. These people would probably be happier living at College and Bathurst St where they can walk to places to eat, take a streetcar to work and drive less.

Good point about the crappy chain restaurants in the 905 though. Auberge du Pommier is nice though (in the outer 416) and it isn't that far a drive south to Yonge & York Mills. Indeed, since Truffles went out I'd say Auberge is one of the best restaurants in Toronto, and it is nearer to the 905 than to Rosedale.

Speaking of Rosedale, yes, it would be nice to live there, but expensive. Also, it helps to have a cottage as one can escape the city to the Muskoka area. A lot of 905ers don't have cottages up north - we don't need them as much as city folk as we hear the sound of silence in our big houses in the 905, and our big backyards (1-2 acres) mean we can USE our backyards for swimming, eating, relaxing without all the bugs that are in cottage country.

The commute IF one has to go downtown really sucks though. 905ers dream of flying cars to fly above the traffic gridlock and breeze downtown in 15 minutes - ah , the joy of that thought when one is stuck in insane traffic on the 404, 400 or QEW.
 

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The advanatage of the 905 are big house, big yard, big lot, pool, trees/landscaping, more peace ad quiet. One pays a premium for this.
What I don't understand are my co-workers who live in Barrie or Horseshoe Valley and spend 3-4 hours daily communting into the city. I don't think they sleep the minimum 8 hours a night. So, there is also a cost to their health.

My boss ("The Big Guy") has the big house, big backyard, etc. on the Bridle Path. Plus, a big yacht in the harbour.
 

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What I don't understand are my co-workers who live in Barrie or Horseshoe Valley and spend 3-4 hours daily communting into the city. I don't think they sleep the minimum 8 hours a night. So, there is also a cost to their health.

My boss ("The Big Guy") has the big house, big backyard, etc. on the Bridle Path. Plus, a big yacht in the harbour.
Agreed, living that far out and communting each day by car is really intense. By 905 I tend to be thinking of Richmond Hill, Aurora, Thornhill, Woodbridge and Oakville - not Barrie and the way out areas.

I knew a guy who worked in Washington DC and lived in a nice 19th century home in Front Royal, Virginia that was a 3 hour commute EACH WAY to work in DC. So he would get up at 5am, leave home at 5:45am, drive three hours, get to work at 8:45am for a 9am start, leave work at 5pm and get home around 8:15pm. He had no social life weekdays. By the time he fixed his dinner and ate and opened his mail, it was time for the 10pm news, then bed at 11:00pm for his 6-7 hours of sleep before getting up to go to work.
 

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More girls to pickup in downtown, however suburban ones are more friendly - from personal experience.
 

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Don't forget that if you settle into the suburbs you need to be prepared for the "Suburb spread" - that is when you get fat. All those chain restaurants and ease of shopping and parking for the SUV. No walking anywhere. It is simply a breeding ground for people to raise kids that will grow up without any stimulation other than what is pre-planned by the parents ie: hockey, soccer, piano etc. No chance for them to experience life as it is outside of their coccoon. I always notice that kids that grow up downtown are way more street smart and cooler than their suburban counterparts. And they seem to hate their parents less.
 

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I think this writer is confused, 905 is not the only suburbs. Plenty of suburbs in york, etobicoke, North york, and scarborough, and they all have nice neighbourhoods. This writer remind me of many a city councillor who are so downtown centric that have no idea about the rest of the city.
Ok, you define 'suburbs' then. Or maybe 'downtown' is easier. If you're gonna call someone on definitions, ya gotta pony up.

For me anything north of St Clair is the burbs, and east west I'd hafta say it's Vic Park and Keele, although I'm tempted to say Woodbine and Lansdowne.
 

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I think this writer is confused, 905 is not the only suburbs. Plenty of suburbs in york, etobicoke, North york, and scarborough, and they all have nice neighbourhoods. This writer remind me of many a city councillor who are so downtown centric that have no idea about the rest of the city.
Those use to be the suburb of the past however, things have changed. North York, Scarborough are now part of Toronto, Mississauga, Richmond hill are the offical suburb of today...
 

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Ok, you define 'suburbs' then. Or maybe 'downtown' is easier. If you're gonna call someone on definitions, ya gotta pony up.

For me anything north of St Clair is the burbs, and east west I'd hafta say it's Vic Park and Keele, although I'm tempted to say Woodbine and Lansdowne.
I have no problems with those definitions. but there are limits after a certain distance you are no longer in a suburb of Toronto but in a town/city in it's own right,Burlington, Burlington for example one of the towns mentioned is not a suburb of Toronto, if anything, it's a suburb of Hamiliton.

And I stand by my assertion that the writer has not crunched all the numbers, if you live downtown to go the "good" restaurants , that's means your spending that much more money than someone in the "burbs" who eats at home.
 

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Ok, you define 'suburbs' then. Or maybe 'downtown' is easier. If you're gonna call someone on definitions, ya gotta pony up.
Easy! Suburb is where parking is free, and has more tim horton's than Starbucks, downtown is where parking is not free and more starbucks than tim hortons.
 
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