Liberals lied on the carbon tax, according to Statistics Canada data

[Butler1000]

what is wrong with you ?

are you truly claiming trillions of dollars in investments by scores of different companies is just one big PR stunt aiming to fool John Larue?

Company	Investment	Sector	Investment Focus
UAE (Foreign Investment)	$1.4 Trillion	Manufacturing & Industry	Technology, aerospace and energy
Qatar (Foreign Investment)	$1.2 Trillion	Manufacturing & Industry	Technology and manufacturing
Saudi Arabia (Foreign Investment)	$600 Billion	Manufacturing & Industry	Technology and manufacturing
Softbank, OpenAI, and Oracle	$500 Billion	Technology & AI	AI infrastructure (Project Stargate)
NVIDIA	$500 Billion	Technology & AI	AI infrastructure and supercomputers
Apple	$500 Billion	Technology & AI	Manufacturing and training
IBM	$150 Billion	Technology & AI	Growth and manufacturing operations
TSMC	$100 Billion	Manufacturing & Industry	Semiconductor fabrication facility in Phoenix, Arizona
Johnson & Johnson	$55 Billion	Pharmaceuticals & Biotech	Manufacturing, R&D, and technology
Genentech (Roche)	$50 Billion	Pharmaceuticals & Biotech	Manufacturing and R&D
Bristol Myers Squibb	$40 Billion	Pharmaceuticals & Biotech	Manufacturing, R&D, and technology
Eli Lilly and Company	$27 Billion	Pharmaceuticals & Biotech	Manufacturing capacity expansion
ADQ and Energy Capital Partners	$25 Billion	Energy & Environment	Data centers and energy infrastructure
Novartis	$23 Billion	Pharmaceuticals & Biotech	Manufacturing facility expansion
Hyundai	$21 Billion	Manufacturing & Industry	Steel plant and other investments
DAMAC Properties	$20 Billion	Real Estate Development	Data center expansion
CMA CGM	$20 Billion	Transportation & Logistics	Shipping and logistics
VentureGlobal	$18 Billion	Energy & Environment	Expansion of transportation equipment
Gilead Sciences	$11 Billion	Pharmaceuticals & Biotech	Manufacturing and research technology
AbbVie	$10 Billion	Pharmaceuticals & Biotech	U.S. manufacturing expansion
Merck	$9 Billion	Pharmaceuticals & Biotech	U.S. manufacturing
Clarios	$6 Billion	Energy & Environment	Manufacturing expansion and innovation acceleration
Pratt Industries	$5 Billion	Manufacturing & Industry	Manufacturing expansion
Stellantis	$5 Billion	Manufacturing & Industry	Manufacturing network
Amazon	$4 Billion	Ecommerce & Cloud Computing	AI expansion in cloud division
Regeneron Pharmaceuticals	$3 Billion	Pharmaceuticals & Biotech	Drug production facility
Boeing	$3 Billion	Manufacturing & Industry	Advanced aerospace manufacturing facilities
Kraft Heinz	$3 Billion	Food & Beverage	Upgrade manufacturing facilities
NorthMark Strategies	$2.8 Billion	Technology & AI	Supercomputing facility
Kimberly-Clark	$2 Billion	Pharmaceuticals & Biotech	Advanced manufacturing and distribution facilities
Thermo Fisher Scientific	$2 Billion	Pharmaceuticals & Biotech	Manufacturing operations and innovation
Chobani	$1.7 Billion	Manufacturing & Industry	Dairy processing plant in New York
Corning, Inc.	$1.5 Billion	Manufacturing & Industry	Solar component plant in Michigan
LF Energy	$1.4 Billion	Energy & Environment	Stationary storage cell manufacturing
Honda	$1 Billion	Manufacturing & Industry	Manufacturing operations
Anduril	$1 Billion	Defense	Modern warfare
GE Aerospace	$1 Billion	Manufacturing & Industry	Manufacturing across 16 states
Amgen	$900 Million	Pharmaceuticals & Biotech	Manufacturing operations
Schneider Electric	$700 Million	Energy & Environment	Energy infrastructure
GE Vernova	$600 Million	Technology & AI	Manufacturing
AIP Management	$500 Million	Technology & AI	Solar developer investment
Abbott Labs	$500 Million	Pharmaceuticals & Biotech	Manufacturing expansion in Illinois and Texas
Diageo	$415 Million	Food & Beverage	Manufacturing in Alabama
The Bel Group	$350 Million	Food & Beverage	Production facilities in SD, Idaho, & Wisconsin
Eaton Corporation	$340 Million	Manufacturing & Industry	Transformers facility in South Carolina
Anheuser-Busch	$300 Million	Food & Beverage	Manufacturing operations
Siemens	$285 Million	Technology & AI	AI data centers and manufacturing
Clasen Quality Chocolate	$230 Million	Manufacturing & Industry	Production facility in Virginia
Fiserv	$175 Million	Technology & AI	Strategic fintech hub
Paris Baguette	$160 Million	Food & Beverage	Manufacturing plant in Texas
Siemens Healthineers	$150 Million	Pharmaceuticals & Biotech	New manufacturing facilities for R&D
TS Conductor	$134 Million	Manufacturing & Industry	Advanced conductor manufacturing in South Carolina
ABB	$120 Million	Manufacturing & Industry	Low-voltage product expansion in Tennessee and Mississippi
Saica Group	$110 Million	Manufacturing & Industry	Packaging manufacturing in Indiana
Charms, LLC	$97.7 Million	Manufacturing & Industry	Expansion in Tennessee
Toyota Motor Corporation	$88 Million	Transportation & Logistics	Hybrid production in West Virginia
Sygene International	$36.5 Million	Pharmaceuticals & Biotech	Biologics facility in Baltimore
Asahi Group Holdings	$35 Million	Food & Beverage	Production boost in Wisconsin
Hitachi Energy	$22.5 Million	Energy & Environment	Transformer Production in Virginia
Cyclic Materials	$20 Million	Energy & Environment	Rare earth elements recycling in Arizona
Guardian Bikes	$19 Million	Manufacturing & Industry	Bike frame manufacturing in Indiana
LGM Pharma	$6 Million	Pharmaceuticals & Biotech	Manufacturing facility expansion in Texas

and who is investing in Canada without a federal govt subsidy ?
No one
meanwhile






bullshit
corporations are a lot more dynamic than that
their studies will have included several scenarios / locations for expansion including reshoring manufacturing
its not like Trumps desire to reshore has been a hidden secret for the past 3 yars

any CEO that misses an opportunity because he needs to study it for 2 years is soon to be come an ex -CEO









So was the entire liberal / carney election platform all a big lie ?
no reason to be alarmed folks Mark Carney is he man to ....... wait and he is the only logical choice to ... wait

we need to get the tariffs lifted and soon

I'm going to microcosm this for you and use the Johnson and Johnson example you listed.

Johnson & Johnson Increases U.S. Investment to More than $55 Billion Over the Next Four Years

Investment builds on almost 140-year legacy of improving and saving lives and supporting American jobs Includes four planned new manufacturing facilities, with ground-breaking today in North Carolina on $2 billion+ facility Total Company U.S. economic impact estimated to be more than $100 billion…

www.jnj.com

Here is the official announcement. Great. However it isn't really NEW investment. It's investment they would have already started. It is, according to them, a 25% increase from the previous four years in overall investments. Great again.

Then comes the disclaimer. At the bottom of this short announcement is the caveat that all of this is speculative, based on the present day policy, that they can change their minds at any time, and really they have no choice but to warn "reader is cautioned not to rely on these forward looking statements "

It's right their in black and white. No guarantees. And a laundry list of reasons why this won't happen.

The High Cost Of Cutting Staff: Pharma Layoffs And The Future Of Innovation

Most organizations can afford a 10% efficiency cut, providing immediate financial relief, but how these cuts are done often creates new inefficiencies elsewhere.

www.forbes.com

And here is a Forbes article discussing that layoffs are happening, more are coming, announcements including R&D cut backs. Reduced expectations.

So yes, when the companies themselves state it's just a projection, but in the meantime we are cutting back and laying off, I tend to go with the shitty ACTUAL NEWS AND BUSINESS DECISIONS HAPPENING IN THE NOW, than nice press releases hopeful of a brighter future.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

Are your brains rotting?

You mean you are referring to your mental gymnastics below?
No wonder I didn't remember this train wreck.

Given Trudeau was the one who initiated a reduction in immigration, this doesn't appear to be true.

What exactly do you mean by "initiated"?

I don't think the word "initiated" has 2 meanings unless you were looking for an opportunity to engage in mental gymnastics.
Trudeau came up with the revised targets for immigration.

 

[Butler1000]

He literally said he was standing up to Trump and imposed tariffs, then removed them after the election.

We're not talking about whether tariffs are good or bad, etc...we are talking about him saying one thing and then doing the other after he was elected.

Dislike of Trudeau was closely tied to failed policies that he held tightly to for the past decade while life became more and more unaffordable, ie carbon tax, immigration, pipelines, etc.

So to win the election with a "new face", the Liberals just copied the Conservative policies to level the playing field. ie they changed their ideology over night.

Then they did a better job of convincing voters that Carney would "stand up to Trump" better than Poilievre would. i.e. they fear-mongered better.

So I would buy the argument that Liberal supporters were conned, but not that Carney and the same party Trudeau had are doing anything differently or will stick to the Conservative policies they borrowed for the election.

So.....

You are saying you would prefer he keep bad policy that will hurt the economy and Canadians?

I know you are disappointed with the result. But any election loss is only ever the fault of the losing party. The other party just did better, had better messaging, and a more appealing leader. That was the argument I used when Trump won(talk about fucking around on policy! ) and will do the same here.

And it's the job as PM as leader to pivot, change policy, as things change. Imo it's in the best interest of Canada not to go tariff nuts, and let the USA keep shooting itself. Instead we see Carney narrowing priorities through to the fall and adjusting as necessary.

We don't need an ideologe right now, we need a pragmatic leader. I certainly don't agree with everything he may do in the future, but on this we are aligned.

 

[Skoob]

You mean you are referring to your mental gymnastics below?
No wonder I didn't remember this train wreck.

You didn't know the word "initiated" had two meanings.

Thanks for proving your ignorance...again.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

You didn't know the word "initiated" had two meanings.

How exactly does the word "initiate" have two meanings in this sentence below where I used it first?
Lets see you triple backflip your way out of this one.

Given Trudeau was the one who initiated a reduction in immigration, this doesn't appear to be true.

 

[JohnLarue]

I'm going to microcosm this for you and use the Johnson and Johnson example you listed.

do not bother
you are not the teacher here

Johnson & Johnson Increases U.S. Investment to More than $55 Billion Over the Next Four Years

Investment builds on almost 140-year legacy of improving and saving lives and supporting American jobs Includes four planned new manufacturing facilities, with ground-breaking today in North Carolina on $2 billion+ facility Total Company U.S. economic impact estimated to be more than $100 billion…

www.jnj.com

Here is the official announcement. Great. However it isn't really NEW investment. It's investment they would have already started. It is, according to them, a 25% increase from the previous four years in overall investments. Great again.

Then comes the disclaimer. At the bottom of this short announcement is the caveat that all of this is speculative, based on the present day policy, that they can change their minds at any time, and really they have no choice but to warn "reader is cautioned not to rely on these forward looking statements "

It's right their in black and white. No guarantees. And a laundry list of reasons why this won't happen.

a disclaimer that has likely appeared on ever announcement J&J has made since the first lawsuit was brought against the pharma giant over its 139 year history
Americans are a litigious bunch so thy place disclaimers everywhere

The High Cost Of Cutting Staff: Pharma Layoffs And The Future Of Innovation

Most organizations can afford a 10% efficiency cut, providing immediate financial relief, but how these cuts are done often creates new inefficiencies elsewhere.

www.forbes.com

And here is a Forbes article discussing that layoffs are happening, more are coming, announcements including R&D cut backs. Reduced expectations.

So yes, when the companies themselves state it's just a projection, but in the meantime we are cutting back and laying off, I tend to go with the shitty ACTUAL NEWS AND BUSINESS DECISIONS HAPPENING IN THE NOW, than nice press releases hopeful of a brighter future.

[/QUOTE]


you are a strange one
dozens of companies publicly commit to invest hundreds of billions of dollars in the USA
yet Butler 1000 knows better and insists these public commitments are a farse

the very worse thing a publicly traded company can do is mislead their investors with guidance (capital investments is a closely monitored metric)
do it once, ok things happen
do it twice, shame on you
do it again and institutional investors start looking elsewhere and the stock price suffers


you really do not have a clue what you are talking about
those hundreds of billions of dollars in US investments will occur

meanwhile you want Canada to ................wait ?
because you plan on buying Canadian fruits and vegetables in the summer thinking you are sticking it to Trump ???

here is the reality

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Canada is losing new investments due to a combination of factors, including a heavy regulatory burden, a lack of predictability in policy, and a perception of uncompetitive tax policies. Businesses also cite high equipment costs, high costs of doing business, and cash flow constraints as deterring investment. Furthermore, Canada's lagging R&D investment and a perceived lack of a skilled workforce contribute to the issue.

 

[JohnLarue]

So.....

You are saying you would prefer he keep bad policy that will hurt the economy and Canadians?

so are you claiming the Canadian electorate supported the bad policy that Carney ran on ?

as previously stared by skoob

we are talking about him saying one thing and then doing the other after he was elected.

so since you are all knowing, what will be the next campaign promise Carney will break now that he secured the PMs position via deceit ?

 

[Butler1000]

do not bother
you are not the teacher here

Johnson & Johnson Increases U.S. Investment to More than $55 Billion Over the Next Four Years

Investment builds on almost 140-year legacy of improving and saving lives and supporting American jobs Includes four planned new manufacturing facilities, with ground-breaking today in North Carolina on $2 billion+ facility Total Company U.S. economic impact estimated to be more than $100 billion…

www.jnj.com

a disclaimer that has likely appeared on ever announcement J&J has made since the first lawsuit was brought against the pharma giant over its 139 year history
Americans are a litigious bunch so thy place disclaimers everywhere

you are a strange one
dozens of companies publicly commit to invest hundreds of billions of dollars in the USA
yet Butler 1000 knows better and insists these public commitments are a farse

the very worse thing a publicly traded company can do is mislead their investors with guidance (capital investments is a closely monitored metric)
do it once, ok things happen
do it twice, shame on you
do it again and institutional investors start looking elsewhere and the stock price suffers


you really do not have a clue what you are talking about
those hundreds of billions of dollars in US investments will occur

meanwhile you want Canada to ................wait ?
because you plan on buying Canadian fruits and vegetables in the summer thinking you are sticking it to Trump ???

here is the reality
[/QUOTE]

Lol. My suggestion is you write a strongly worded letter to the office of the Prime Minister advising the Former Bank of Canada/Britain and Private Equity Chair of Brookfield management that he is clueless on the economy, how businesses run, how trade works, how businesses will react, and he needs to resign immediately, call an election, and let a dude who couldn't retain his own seat try again.

Go ahead.

Me, I will wait and see.

 

[Butler1000]

so are you claiming the Canadian electorate supported the bad policy that Carney ran on ?

as previously stared by skoob


so since you are all knowing, what will be the next campaign promise Carney will break now that he secured the PMs position via deceit ?

I don't think that this election was about detailed policy. It was about who people trusted to see the nation through a period of adjustment in how trade works. And can adapt to the changing(sometimes daily) idiocy of Trump, for long term success. It was in fact a clash over the two party leaders and the voters thoughts on who would be the better PM.

And what we got was Carney, with the checks of a minority govt. I can live with that.

 

[Skoob]

How exactly does the word "initiate" have two meanings in this sentence below where I used it first?
Lets see you triple backflip your way out of this one.

You literally said you didn't know the word "initiated" has two meanings. Those are your words not mine.

Are we not supposed to believe whatever you say now?

Do you just ramble on and hope everyone can decipher your version of English?

 

[Skoob]

So.....

You are saying you would prefer he keep bad policy that will hurt the economy and Canadians?

I know you are disappointed with the result. But any election loss is only ever the fault of the losing party. The other party just did better, had better messaging, and a more appealing leader. That was the argument I used when Trump won(talk about fucking around on policy! ) and will do the same here.

And it's the job as PM as leader to pivot, change policy, as things change. Imo it's in the best interest of Canada not to go tariff nuts, and let the USA keep shooting itself. Instead we see Carney narrowing priorities through to the fall and adjusting as necessary.

We don't need an ideologe right now, we need a pragmatic leader. I certainly don't agree with everything he may do in the future, but on this we are aligned.

No, I prefer a party that doesn't do a 180 just to get elected and then go back to where they were after getting elected. I also prefer a party that hasn't spent the past decade demonizing the opposition only to adopt their policies to get elected.

Again, he put retaliatory tariffs on and then immediately removed them after winning the election. Was that a mistake?

 

[Skoob]

How exactly does the word "initiate" have two meanings in this sentence below where I used it first?
Lets see you triple backflip your way out of this one.

You literally said you didn't know it had two meanings. Your words not mine.

All I did was enlighten you and for that I would like a thank you, and an apology.

Maybe spend less time editing other's posts and more time comprehending the English language so you don't keep looking stupid.

 

[JohnLarue]

Lol. My suggestion is you write a strongly worded letter to the office of the Prime Minister advising the Former Bank of Canada/Britain and Private Equity Chair of Brookfield management that he is clueless on the economy, how businesses run, how trade works, how businesses will react, and he needs to resign immediately, call an election, and let a dude who couldn't retain his own seat try again.

Go ahead.

Me, I will wait and see.

he publicly declared he was going to stand up to Trump and he asked the electorate to vote for him based on the promise of standing up to Trump

Are you now trying to claim standing up to trump involves caving on reciprocal tariffs and then ......... waiting ?

 

[JohnLarue]

I don't think that this election was about detailed policy. It was about who people trusted to see the nation through a period of adjustment in how trade works. And can adapt to the changing(sometimes daily) idiocy of Trump, for long term success. It was in fact a clash over the two party leaders and the voters thoughts on who would be the better PM.

And what we got was Carney, with the checks of a minority govt. I can live with that.

bulllshit
the entire liberal platform was portraying Carny as the best option to stand up against trump
do not try to change history because Carny secured the PMs position via deceit and has since caved into trump

 

[boobtoucher]

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ca.finance.yahoo.com

When was the election?

 

[Skoob]

bulllshit
the entire liberal platform was portraying Carny as the best option to stand up against trump
do not try to change history because Carny secured the PMs position via deceit and has since caved into trump

Changing history appears to be the antidote for being duped several times over the past decade as it were.

 

[JohnLarue]

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ca.finance.yahoo.com

When was the election?

the cad/usd exchange rate is more a reflection of the bond market and the US govt debt bomb than anything Mark Carney has done
Although credit should be given where credit is due, Mark Carny is not Justin Trudeau

FYI the US democrats will soon be asking why they opposed Elon Musks DOGE efforts

 

[Butler1000]

No, I prefer a party that doesn't do a 180 just to get elected and then go back to where they were after getting elected. I also prefer a party that hasn't spent the past decade demonizing the opposition only to adopt their policies to get elected.

Again, he put retaliatory tariffs on and then immediately removed them after winning the election. Was that a mistake?

I think putting them on was yes.

 

[Skoob]

I think putting them on was yes.

You mean a legitimate mistake made by someone who was elected in part because of his financial experience?
That's scary.

Unless you mean it was a campaign mistake based on doing it to win the election?
That's scary as well.

 

[Skoob]

bulllshit
the entire liberal platform was portraying Carny as the best option to stand up against trump
do not try to change history because Carny secured the PMs position via deceit and has since caved into trump

Liberal supporters have put themselves in a precarious morale position.

They voted for someone who deceived them, but can't admit they were deceived as that would be a hard reality to accept and admit to.

So instead, they're in "we'll just believe he knows what he's doing and justify his decisions after the fact" mode.

In other words, "meet the new boss, same as the old boss" ...and yes they were fooled again.