Priorities do change. The question is what spurs the change?
Ideology on the other hand shouldn't change over night.
The Liberals changed (or perhaps suspended) their ideology overnight for the sole purpose of winning an election.
Liberals lied on the carbon tax, according to Statistics Canada data
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Ideology on the other hand shouldn't change over night.
The Liberals changed (or perhaps suspended) their ideology overnight for the sole purpose of winning an election.
You didn't know there were two meanings for the word "initiate". I had to enlighten you and you didn't even say thanks.
You would benefit from a government-funded ESL course so you don't keep failing at arguments.
You are either confused or are imagining things.
I was never ever in any argument about the word "initiate".
I don't even know what you are referring to here.
Go back and look at your posts and refresh your memory. You are spending so much time editing others' posts that you are forgetting your own.
I am not going to spend time searching for your mental gymnastics.
If you cannot describe where you thought there was any disagreement about the word initiate then I will chalk this up to yet another thing you are unable to articulate.
The other being the impact of the carbon tax.
Sure but my opinion is if they carry through on the policy then it doesn't matter. I do have concerns about Carney, but as a private equity guy. But absolutely not as someone who will cowtow to Trump. He is in a minority position and any backslide will trigger an election.
He is, as I stated, a process guy. He understands how trade deals actually get done. The shortest a trade deal the USA ever negotiated was 18 months. There is so much detail, to every single class of products and services, which always includes protectionist clauses, to be hashed out. We already have USMCA. That will be the basis.
As for local policy? Consumer Carbon tax gone. A mild tax cut(I preferred the Conservative one). And looking into opening new markets for oil. That's initially what is coming this session. Once we know what the new tariff policy is really going to he, the next steps can be taken.
You are, imo, only really complaining because you wanted revenge. You wanted to see the Liberal Party destroyed in an election. That's fine. But guess what, lots of Canadians didn't. The polling clearly showed that PP was the deciding factor. His approval rating to be PM was almost 10 points lower than Carney. And lower then the Conservatives as a whole were polling. And that was reflected in his personal riding loss.
The Conservatives failed in the end, because in the trying times coming, Canadians chose, "the little Grey man". As they tend to. It was in a way, a conservative choice to pick the calm, not overly charismatic, banker/process guy, but with a minority to check them.
In the end I think we will see, as usual, a centrist govt.
Right on queue...convenient amnesia.
Proves you don't really read, you just make assumptions then deny what you have said. In addition, you admit to editing others' posts so you probably went back and changed your response. That's what happens when you throw your integrity out the window: no one trust you.
And I've said it before...you don't really want proof. You want to ask for proof as a distraction. You ignore the proof when provided and then change the subject.
You have reduced your integrity to zero.
Backslide? Like removing the retaliatory tariffs?
I don't want revenge. I want a government who I believe will make life better. The Liberals had a decade to prove they could and they didn't. It's the same government with a new leader. That's not real change.
Liberal supporters chose to give into fear mongering only to overlook the fact that Trump ended up with who he wanted. Ironic.
I think PP's demeanor was a deciding factor. And yes, a new leader does mean things. Canadian politics has always had a strong executive type govt. That is the Westminster system. And Trump, trust me, doesn't know who the fuck either one really is. Cripes he hasn't even staffed his own govt yet. He says things all the time and then forgets what he said and either praises or denigrate on a whim.
Quite simply Trump didn't care WHO WON. He only cared that the perception was HE AFFECTED who won. That's is his narcissism. He wants attention, and perceived as well as real power. If PP had won, he would have said it was his conservative/populist movement that was the real reason. And claimed credit.
And I agree, as I said, with removing the tariffs. The grassroots boycott is sending a far greater message, it will only hurt low income consumers, and they serve no purpose. And as long as negotiations continue will have a net zero affect on our economy.
They are a tax. We don't need more of those, do we?
So a non response when asked for specifics.
You just make stuff up as you go along.
Liberal ideology changes to win an election
in 2015 ( That was not the Liberal party of Jean Chretian and Paul Martin)
and again in 2025
it had better have changed, although i suspect that was was just to dupe voters
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you are focused on process
if Tr ump was following process there would be no incremental tariffs on Canada
he applied them with a stroke of a pen and he can rescind them with a stroke of a pen
if we do not get tariff relief for 18 months, we will lose 500,000 jobs
And you prove my point. If Trump can at any time break a deal then we are better off putting a process in place for longer term WHEN HE IS GONE.
what are you talking about ?
i most certainly did not prove your point
your point ignores the devastating and permanent job losses Canada will experience if we try to wait Trump out
He is not going to be GONE for 3 1/2 + years
Great, we cut a deal, he breaks it. What then?
Guess what. Right now Trump has so much on his plate and is trying to get deals before the 90 days are up. Or he has to extend them tariffs. Good bet at the G7 he will announce he and his best new buddy Carney are getting a deal together if one is going to happen. Or he fucks around at it and finds himself isolated.
The USMCA is going to be the basis. It's going to get tweaked. Supply management isn't going anywhere. A few limits may be raised for show.
We are not going to experience 500,000 job losses due to tariffs.
Here is an interesting story. Stelco is cutting all US exports and is expecting an increase in business. While a USA competitor is laying off 2000 workers due to tariffs.
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so you will watch 500,000 jobs evaporate because you do not trust Trump ?
that is so naive and just completely ignores the reality of the situation
we will have to give on supply management and/ or the auto sector likely both to some extent
the trick is do a deal while we get our trade irritants (softwood lumber) fixed
you are dead wrong
that is just Ontario
trump wants to shift all auto production from Canada to the US
if we refuse to do a deal, then we will have an even bigger problem. A vindictive trump
we need to do a deal which protects most of our auto sector & we will need to match his corporate tax rates cuts
you are beyond self delusional to think Canada can just wait Trump out and trade will revert back to the status quo
that is just not going to happen
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So only 68 000 this year? That's what, 12% of what you were claiming? And the future assumption are worst case scenarios.
I highly doubt it will go that far.
what is wrong with you?
68,100 + 119,200 + 137,900 =325,200 job losses and that is just Ontario
add in the impacts on the rest of the country and job losses will be well north of 500,000
and these will be permeant job losses
we need to get a deal done and soon
trying to wait trump out is just plain foolish
you are pretty flippant about 68,000 job loses
losing 325,000 jobs in Ontario alone would be a catastrophe, , one the debt ladened provincial govt can not afford
not if you want universal health care to continue
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Those are worst case projections. And assuming no deal for 3 years.
That isn't going to happen.
Do you see the rest of the world panicking? The EU just announced a 500 million euro fund to try to STEAL US researchers to come over there. China forced their hand. The British deal was a hand wave with everything back down to the 10%. No other deals announced.
And Trump is now lashing out again over smartphones, thinking the assembly can just be moved. It can't.
Meanwhile the Canadian boycott continues. US Senators are showing up hat in hand, Governors are begging tourists to return. All there prices continue to rise. The Bug Beautiful Bullshit Bill is being exposed for what it is.
The pressure is mounting. Come July shitloads happens. Student loans protections end. Mortgage assistance ends. Tourism numbers will be in and they will see how bad it is. 90 day tariff pause is up. If Trump blinks then everyone knows he is a paper tiger. And the 2nd quarter numbers will show a recession. So much for the Trump economy.
Oh my goodness! We need to give away the farm!
I could point out how he's dating a Doug Ford's comms manager....and he's basically a mouthpiece for the government. But, I'm sure that wouldn't impact your assessment of Mr. Lilley. And, to be clear, this is an opinion piece, which means he can use whatever formula he likes to come out with his conclusions, even if it wonky math. I suspect that someone, like maybe an old Sun News Network colleague like Kris Sims who is now with the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, might have slipped him some of these talking points....
