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mandrill said:
The notion of transgender girls having an unfair advantage comes from the idea that testosterone causes physical changes such as an increase in muscle mass. But transgender girls are not the only girls with high testosterone levels. An estimated 10 percent of women have polycystic ovarian syndrome, which results in elevated testosterone levels. They are not banned from female sports. Transgender girls on puberty blockers, on the other hand, have negligible testosterone levels. Yet these state bills would force them to play with the boys. Plus, the athletic advantage conferred by testosterone is equivocal. As Katrina Karkazis, a senior visiting fellow and expert on testosterone and bioethics at Yale University explains, “Studies of testosterone levels in athletes do not show any clear, consistent relationship between testosterone and athletic performance. Sometimes testosterone is associated with better performance, but other studies show weak links or no links. And yet others show testosterone is associated with worse performance.” The bills’ premises lack scientific validity.

There you go.

I don't have a dog in this race. OTOH, I don't want to sit back and let a bunch of angry guys ignore science and just rant about "self evident truth". Back in the 70's, my racist dad told me it was "self evident" that Blacks were dumber than whites and all his white drinking buddies agreed.

So go find some SCIENCE on this point and I'll listen.
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Lol You picked one anthropologist that agrees with your claim....and now it's gospel.... I'm sure she had extensive training in her field.... and so are guys from other schools...
 
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You're saying the outcome of a soccer game was science?
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Let's put it another way. There is no soccer team of 15 year-old females on the planet or in human history that would EVER beat a national men's soccer team.

Your ilk can re-write history and weaponize politics, but you can't change biological realities.
 
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It never ceases to amaze me, the depth of human stupidity. I honestly thought that the lefties could never top "equity ". Not in the million years, I thought. And here we are. Individuals who are actually arguing for men competing against women....in sports. Truly Einstein was right that human stupidity is unlimited.
 
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jcpro said:
It never ceases to amaze me, the depth of human stupidity. I honestly thought that the lefties could never top "equity ". Not in the million years, I thought. And here we are. Individuals who are actually arguing for men competing against women....in sports. Truly Einstein was right that human stupidity is unlimited.
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JC, go read all the articles I linked. They say that bio men lose their athletic advantage when they take hormones and lose their nuts.

So here's an open challenge to you, Dirty, Orry and anyone. Post a scientific article that discusses this and supports your position. I just want to get a discussion going and avoid a bunch of guys saying "it's self-evident that..... "
 
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Frankfooter said:
You're saying the outcome of a soccer game was science?
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I’m saying it’s reality.
A large portion of “science” can be, has been, and will continue to be a bought and paid for consensus for targeted results and profit.
To deny this is to be willfully ignorant.
I find your retort to be willful ignorance and an attempt at deflection from reality.
 
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dvous11 said:
I’m saying it’s reality.
A large portion of “science” can be, has been, and will continue to be a bought and paid for consensus for targeted results and profit.
To deny this is to be willfully ignorant.
I find your retort to be willful ignorance and an attempt at deflection from reality.
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Okay, post your scientific articles that refute what Frankie is saying. Stand up and fight.
 
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dvous11 said:
I’m saying it’s reality.
A large portion of “science” can be, has been, and will continue to be a bought and paid for consensus for targeted results and profit.
To deny this is to be willfully ignorant.
I find your retort to be willful ignorance and an attempt at deflection from reality.
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Bingo!

Ask them why you never see a woman transition to a man and compete successfully in mens sports?
 
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JC, go read all the articles I linked. They say that bio men lose their athletic advantage when they take hormones and lose their nuts.

So here's an open challenge to you, Dirty, Orry and anyone. Post a scientific article that discusses this and supports your position. I just want to get a discussion going and avoid a bunch of guys saying "it's self-evident that..... "
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I'm not going to waste time because hormones, especially at later stages of puberty, do not affect bone density, muscle mass, lungs size nor reflexes. That's how a below average male swimmer can easily outcompete top women swimmers. It's just physiology. There's nothing to post. WTH are you advocating??? That you put pre- pubescent boys on the hormonal therapy to keep them sterile and unable to grow in order to compete with girls? To put it politely, what the fuck is wrong with you? What are the long term effects of hormonal therapy on the pre- pubescent boys? What existence are you offering to kids that can't consent to a process with the unknown outcome? We have made those mistakes in the past with voodoo sciences like frenology and eugenics and even "racial purity tests". Do you really want to go there, again?
 
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jcpro said:
I'm not going to waste time because hormones, especially at later stages of puberty, do not affect bone density, muscle mass, lungs size nor reflexes. That's how a below average male swimmer can easily outcompete top women swimmers. It's just physiology. There's nothing to post. WTH are you advocating??? That you put pre- pubescent boys on the hormonal therapy to keep them sterile and unable to grow in order to compete with girls? To put it politely, what the fuck is wrong with you? What are the long term effects of hormonal therapy on the pre- pubescent boys? What existence are you offering to kids that can't consent to a process with the unknown outcome? We have made those mistakes in the past with voodoo sciences like frenology and eugenics and even "racial purity tests". Do you really want to go there, again?
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JC, go read the articles. Don't just rant at me like a commissar.
 
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dvous11 said:
I’m saying it’s reality.
A large portion of “science” can be, has been, and will continue to be a bought and paid for consensus for targeted results and profit.
To deny this is to be willfully ignorant.
I find your retort to be willful ignorance and an attempt at deflection from reality.
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I'm saying why the feck is this discussion still going on when there have been rules about this for years now?
www.nbcnews.com

International Olympic Committee issues new guidelines on transgender athletes

Athletes will no longer be required to undergo “medically unnecessary” hormone treatments to compete, the IOC said.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com

The people who argued that the result of one soccer game was 'science' but keep getting the basics wrong are still pushing this argument despite rules being put in place years ago.

Is Fox and the right wing so desperate for a new tiny group to blame all the problems with society on?

Is it time to update this Murdoch cartoon to include Ru Paul instead?

 
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mandrill said:
Okay, post your scientific articles that refute what Frankie is saying. Stand up and fight.
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LOL. You miss my point.
You can post articles all day long that support your argument, then we can argue about how credible the source is or is not.
Wouldn’t you agree that all these articles you can find online come from a source that has a particular agenda?
On the other hand….REALITY has no agenda. It just is.
 
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