Until the science is settled on the impact of puberty blockers at certain ages and other hormones, the current best solution is the one that's been established since the first human sporting events took place. Men vs men, women vs women.
Waiting for radical left ideologues to say this isn’t scienceIt's ironic isn't it. Some/many/most biological women have claimed they are as good as biological men in sports. Now it appears they have a chance to prove it.
"FC Dallas under-15 boys squad beat the U.S. Women's National Team in a scrimmage"
Champions League Top 50: Real Madrid, Man City, Chelsea, Bayern, Napoli, Inter, Benfica, AC Milan's, best (cbssports.com)
He certainly has a point of view. OTOH, his views appear in line with majority professional association views.
You're saying the outcome of a soccer game was science?Waiting for radical left ideologues to say this isn’t science![]()
Lol You picked one anthropologist that agrees with your claim....and now it's gospel.... I'm sure she had extensive training in her field.... and so are guys from other schools...The notion of transgender girls having an unfair advantage comes from the idea that testosterone causes physical changes such as an increase in muscle mass. But transgender girls are not the only girls with high testosterone levels. An estimated 10 percent of women have polycystic ovarian syndrome, which results in elevated testosterone levels. They are not banned from female sports. Transgender girls on puberty blockers, on the other hand, have negligible testosterone levels. Yet these state bills would force them to play with the boys. Plus, the athletic advantage conferred by testosterone is equivocal. As Katrina Karkazis, a senior visiting fellow and expert on testosterone and bioethics at Yale University explains, “Studies of testosterone levels in athletes do not show any clear, consistent relationship between testosterone and athletic performance. Sometimes testosterone is associated with better performance, but other studies show weak links or no links. And yet others show testosterone is associated with worse performance.” The bills’ premises lack scientific validity.
There you go.
I don't have a dog in this race. OTOH, I don't want to sit back and let a bunch of angry guys ignore science and just rant about "self evident truth". Back in the 70's, my racist dad told me it was "self evident" that Blacks were dumber than whites and all his white drinking buddies agreed.
So go find some SCIENCE on this point and I'll listen.
might have been...Kindly explain to me a group of 15 year olds and younger beat a national level adult female soccer team by a wide margin....scientfically....You're saying the outcome of a soccer game was science?
Let's put it another way. There is no soccer team of 15 year-old females on the planet or in human history that would EVER beat a national men's soccer team.You're saying the outcome of a soccer game was science?
No...He certainly has a point of view. OTOH, his views appear in line with majority professional association views.
Explain. My understanding is that the major US professional associations support what that doctor writes.No...
JC, go read all the articles I linked. They say that bio men lose their athletic advantage when they take hormones and lose their nuts.It never ceases to amaze me, the depth of human stupidity. I honestly thought that the lefties could never top "equity ". Not in the million years, I thought. And here we are. Individuals who are actually arguing for men competing against women....in sports. Truly Einstein was right that human stupidity is unlimited.
I’m saying it’s reality.You're saying the outcome of a soccer game was science?
Okay, post your scientific articles that refute what Frankie is saying. Stand up and fight.I’m saying it’s reality.
A large portion of “science” can be, has been, and will continue to be a bought and paid for consensus for targeted results and profit.
To deny this is to be willfully ignorant.
I find your retort to be willful ignorance and an attempt at deflection from reality.
Bingo!I’m saying it’s reality.
A large portion of “science” can be, has been, and will continue to be a bought and paid for consensus for targeted results and profit.
To deny this is to be willfully ignorant.
I find your retort to be willful ignorance and an attempt at deflection from reality.
I'm not going to waste time because hormones, especially at later stages of puberty, do not affect bone density, muscle mass, lungs size nor reflexes. That's how a below average male swimmer can easily outcompete top women swimmers. It's just physiology. There's nothing to post. WTH are you advocating??? That you put pre- pubescent boys on the hormonal therapy to keep them sterile and unable to grow in order to compete with girls? To put it politely, what the fuck is wrong with you? What are the long term effects of hormonal therapy on the pre- pubescent boys? What existence are you offering to kids that can't consent to a process with the unknown outcome? We have made those mistakes in the past with voodoo sciences like frenology and eugenics and even "racial purity tests". Do you really want to go there, again?JC, go read all the articles I linked. They say that bio men lose their athletic advantage when they take hormones and lose their nuts.
So here's an open challenge to you, Dirty, Orry and anyone. Post a scientific article that discusses this and supports your position. I just want to get a discussion going and avoid a bunch of guys saying "it's self-evident that..... "
JC, go read the articles. Don't just rant at me like a commissar.I'm not going to waste time because hormones, especially at later stages of puberty, do not affect bone density, muscle mass, lungs size nor reflexes. That's how a below average male swimmer can easily outcompete top women swimmers. It's just physiology. There's nothing to post. WTH are you advocating??? That you put pre- pubescent boys on the hormonal therapy to keep them sterile and unable to grow in order to compete with girls? To put it politely, what the fuck is wrong with you? What are the long term effects of hormonal therapy on the pre- pubescent boys? What existence are you offering to kids that can't consent to a process with the unknown outcome? We have made those mistakes in the past with voodoo sciences like frenology and eugenics and even "racial purity tests". Do you really want to go there, again?
I'm saying why the feck is this discussion still going on when there have been rules about this for years now?I’m saying it’s reality.
A large portion of “science” can be, has been, and will continue to be a bought and paid for consensus for targeted results and profit.
To deny this is to be willfully ignorant.
I find your retort to be willful ignorance and an attempt at deflection from reality.
LOL. You miss my point.Okay, post your scientific articles that refute what Frankie is saying. Stand up and fight.