Lend your advice please.
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Profound.
Strictly as an intellectual curiosity (no names), I wonder how the male posters break down in this thread between those whose handles are known to SPs and those who are anonymous? The thread about adding a "like" button function got me wondering....
TeasePlease
This is way too early for a facepalm.
I'm afraid that you may be the one requiring a face palm here, not me!
Just as some of you can't properly read and interpret an ad, you can't properly read and interpret my comments!
What does how someone paid for their education have anything to do with how they might behave outside of the office?
Absolutely nothing and that is not what I said. You said, and I quote,
"I think you would agree that being a SP is not the same as being a lawyer, social worker, etc."
I merely pointed out that some (not all if you can read) may have paid for their education by being an SP, making them not that different from me, a working SP who paid for her undergrad degree this way. When I looked at the options in my chosen field and what I would make given my level of completion, I chose to continue doing this as it pays way more. If and when I decide to leave this occupation I'll take a lessor paying job in that area.
As for the rest pertaining to non working girls, it has been pointed out earlier by AllisonElm and others that they could have more notches in their belt than us SPs. The reality of the situation, not stereotypically speaking, as I believe you are doing, is that not all regular working ladies are angels or that different from us, as they could be having just as much sex with multiple partners as we are, if not more. I had a girlfriend who worked in the office of a well known telecommunications co. She is the culprit in the earlier example of unprotected, promiscuous sex and let me give you another real life example of her stellar, non sexually educated behaviour.
I get a call from her one morning to take her to the clinic to get what was then called the "Morning After Pill", but what is now referred to as Plan B, as the name was misleading. One does not have to wait until the next morning to take it but can take it immediately after unprotected sex. As the story goes, she was rollicking with one of the many guys she was doing at the time in the back seat of one of their respective cars in the parking lot of the bar they had been drinking/partying in all night. She told him to come in her behind as she wasn't on the pill. He was so drunk he didn't realize he was in her pussy and she was too drunk/stupid to let him know. By her logic, condomless sex in her bum was better than her pussy as fear of unwanted pregnancy was clearly more important to her than the contraction of a possible STD. By your logic, because she works in an office, you stand much less chance of getting something from her, a lawyer or social worker than an SP like myself, who is educated on the risks involved, also pointed out by AllisonElm and others.
Are all non working ladies promiscuous? No, and I never said that, but even though this is going to make you rethink your evaluation system, some of them sure as heck are and recklessly so and many of us SPs exercise much more common sense, minimizing the risks involved, than they do. Do all of you exercise common sense when thinking with the big little head and not the other? No, sometimes leaving it up to us ladies to keep you in check, for all of our sakes, SOs on both sides included.
We know it's not...precisely because SPs are so worked up about being "outed".
My response was not meant to be a deflection, as you so put it, merely pointing out that the same can be said about hobbyist's with SOs. Of course I agree, which, given both sides of the coin is a moot point.
A wonderful image. I can respect your opinion. I hope you can see why someone may disagree. Being in a relationship with a working girl adds many complexities. In some ways, it's amazing. In others, it's difficult. For example, going to the mall with a well known SP or MPA can be fun. With all the furtive glances from guys.... If you think that kind of attention is fun.
To be fair, falling for an SP is as simple as your reference. In order to make it work, we have to choose to accept the person, and love them. The rest is just details. My point is that it is not fair to ask someone to make that decision without full knowledge of who they are.
All true, as in the movie, when Hugh Grant's character is grappling with the complexities of a non famous person such as himself dating a famous person such as herself and Juilia's character points out, as any strong, intelligent woman would, that., "The fame thing isn't really real you know." Well, neither is this really, as there is no emotional attachment, hence earlier references to it merely being a job or source of income, unlike those who sleep around for the sheer pleasure of it or rush of getting away with something behind their SOs back, etc. That being said, it like many things, could be forfeited rather easily by me given the right set of circumstances, as I do have other options available to me. Other SPs however may not. Furthermore, how many guys would so readily give up their chosen careers and potential revenue for a woman?
In my experience, we often needlessly confound the issues or let fear run our imaginations amok.
Case in point, I have only ever run into clients a handful of times when not working and nothing bad ever came of it. So these furtive glances you are referring to rarely if ever happen. In fact, most guys panic and look anywhere but at me or who I'm with. How much experience do you have with this?
Wow. Quite a statement. I suppose that's the justification for discounting the feelings of the guy in this situation. It's the girl's job, the girl's social risk, the girl's prerogative to withhold the information from the guy. Heckuva recipe for a mutually trusting and respectful relationship.
Have you come clean with SOs if/when you cheated on them, whether with SPs or civies? Have these SPs that are supposedly telling ND, in a PM of course and not publicly, that it is unequivocally wrong and the lady in question should without a doubt tell him, done so? I have, with the first guy I ever dated while doing this, as my moral compass was telling me to do so. Like I stated earlier, prior to doing this I had never cheated on a BF. Can you say the same about yourself with regard to GFs, possible wife(ves), etc.? Guess what, the girl that the boy was interested in, instantly became a dirty, worthless piece of you know what in his eyes. My heart was broken and it negatively impacted my business as you can imagine. It was hard to put on a brave face with clients, but I did my best. I'm certain his business, life and heart didn't suffer nearly as much as mine, especially as he was chasing after my BFF, you know, the one that was sleeping with everyone under the sun willy nilly (i.e. unprotected sexually) at the time, both immediately afterward and I'm pretty certain during as well. Given everything, do you honestly believe that this man never cheated on anyone in his entire then 50 year old life? No hypocrisy there! He even admitted to me to having ripped people off in a very childish manner with his buddies when much younger. Having left an extremely abusive home with no money at a young age, I have worked my can off to get where I am in life and never ripped anybody off along the way as I can't even imagine doing that. When I first started doing this, mostly due to naivete, I got short changed, etc. and have never used my bad experiences with regard to this matter as a justification to do the same to others. However, as a result of this real life, not hypothetical experience of revelation, I vowed to never ever tell anyone what I do again. If it looks like things are getting really serious I'll get out of the biz and they'll be none the wiser. So forgive me if protecting myself now takes precedence over any moral high ground. I am a testament to the fact that the old adage, "the truth will set one free" is not always the case and unless you've been through what I have, don't talk to me about right and wrong. Like I said before, it's easy to say "I'd never do that" or "she should tell him", but until you have, STFU as you have absolutely no point of reference from which to base these statements or beliefs on! Oh, and by the way, I never ratted out my truly slutty, now ex GF to him, which a lot of spiteful women would have done. Unless of course he's a member on here, reading this and putting two and two together.
On an interesting note, when using remedial methods to deal with young offenders, they are taught about the repercussions of their actions on everyone, not just the victim, but the victims family, their own, etc. It's called the ripple effect. These kids often don't think their actions through completely, as many so called adults don't either. The example I like to give is the purse snatcher who thinks the only damage they caused was to steal from someone. Wrong, because the person was a diabetic and their insulin was in their purse and as a result they couldn't take their shot/dose, leading to DKA and possibly even coma. They were then rushed to the hospital, costing the taxpayer, us, money and their SO had to take time off work to go see them. This is stressful for everyone involved and could include possible lost wages on top of the money that was stolen. The kid's been caught and is now in trouble with the law, which effects not only them but their family as well and again, us the tax payer, in court costs, etc. You get the bigger picture here.
I would also like to add that a very valid point made by me earlier, which got completely glossed over by ND and everyone else, was that we have no idea if his friend is being faithful to this woman or not. We are going on the assumption, there's that word again, that he is. Just as not everyone in ND's life knows what he does in his spare time, we and he do not know everything this fellow does in his.
P.S. If you out someone and it backfires on you, don't come on here crying about it as those who point fingers so often do when their so called good intentions go awry. However, if you've been outed like MPAsquared and others, I'll commiserate with you wholeheartedly!
This is way too early for a facepalm.
I'm afraid that you may be the one requiring a face palm here, not me!
Just as some of you can't properly read and interpret an ad, you can't properly read and interpret my comments!
What does how someone paid for their education have anything to do with how they might behave outside of the office?
Absolutely nothing and that is not what I said. You said, and I quote,
"I think you would agree that being a SP is not the same as being a lawyer, social worker, etc."
I merely pointed out that some (not all if you can read) may have paid for their education by being an SP, making them not that different from me, a working SP who paid for her undergrad degree this way. When I looked at the options in my chosen field and what I would make given my level of completion, I chose to continue doing this as it pays way more. If and when I decide to leave this occupation I'll take a lessor paying job in that area.
As for the rest pertaining to non working girls, it has been pointed out earlier by AllisonElm and others that they could have more notches in their belt than us SPs. The reality of the situation, not stereotypically speaking, as I believe you are doing, is that not all regular working ladies are angels or that different from us, as they could be having just as much sex with multiple partners as we are, if not more. I had a girlfriend who worked in the office of a well known telecommunications co. She is the culprit in the earlier example of unprotected, promiscuous sex and let me give you another real life example of her stellar, non sexually educated behaviour.
I get a call from her one morning to take her to the clinic to get what was then called the "Morning After Pill", but what is now referred to as Plan B, as the name was misleading. One does not have to wait until the next morning to take it but can take it immediately after unprotected sex. As the story goes, she was rollicking with one of the many guys she was doing at the time in the back seat of one of their respective cars in the parking lot of the bar they had been drinking/partying in all night. She told him to come in her behind as she wasn't on the pill. He was so drunk he didn't realize he was in her pussy and she was too drunk/stupid to let him know. By her logic, condomless sex in her bum was better than her pussy as fear of unwanted pregnancy was clearly more important to her than the contraction of a possible STD. By your logic, because she works in an office, you stand much less chance of getting something from her, a lawyer or social worker than an SP like myself, who is educated on the risks involved, also pointed out by AllisonElm and others.
Are all non working ladies promiscuous? No, and I never said that, but even though this is going to make you rethink your evaluation system, some of them sure as heck are and recklessly so and many of us SPs exercise much more common sense, minimizing the risks involved, than they do. Do all of you exercise common sense when thinking with the big little head and not the other? No, sometimes leaving it up to us ladies to keep you in check, for all of our sakes, SOs on both sides included.
We know it's not...precisely because SPs are so worked up about being "outed".
My response was not meant to be a deflection, as you so put it, merely pointing out that the same can be said about hobbyist's with SOs. Of course I agree, which, given both sides of the coin is a moot point.
A wonderful image. I can respect your opinion. I hope you can see why someone may disagree. Being in a relationship with a working girl adds many complexities. In some ways, it's amazing. In others, it's difficult. For example, going to the mall with a well known SP or MPA can be fun. With all the furtive glances from guys.... If you think that kind of attention is fun.
To be fair, falling for an SP is as simple as your reference. In order to make it work, we have to choose to accept the person, and love them. The rest is just details. My point is that it is not fair to ask someone to make that decision without full knowledge of who they are.
All true, as in the movie, when Hugh Grant's character is grappling with the complexities of a non famous person such as himself dating a famous person such as herself and Juilia's character points out, as any strong, intelligent woman would, that., "The fame thing isn't really real you know." Well, neither is this really, as there is no emotional attachment, hence earlier references to it merely being a job or source of income, unlike those who sleep around for the sheer pleasure of it or rush of getting away with something behind their SOs back, etc. That being said, it like many things, could be forfeited rather easily by me given the right set of circumstances, as I do have other options available to me. Other SPs however may not. Furthermore, how many guys would so readily give up their chosen careers and potential revenue for a woman?
In my experience, we often needlessly confound the issues or let fear run our imaginations amok.
Case in point, I have only ever run into clients a handful of times when not working and nothing bad ever came of it. So these furtive glances you are referring to rarely if ever happen. In fact, most guys panic and look anywhere but at me or who I'm with. How much experience do you have with this?
Wow. Quite a statement. I suppose that's the justification for discounting the feelings of the guy in this situation. It's the girl's job, the girl's social risk, the girl's prerogative to withhold the information from the guy. Heckuva recipe for a mutually trusting and respectful relationship.
Have you come clean with SOs if/when you cheated on them, whether with SPs or civies? Have these SPs that are supposedly telling ND, in a PM of course and not publicly, that it is unequivocally wrong and the lady in question should without a doubt tell him, done so? I have, with the first guy I ever dated while doing this, as my moral compass was telling me to do so. Like I stated earlier, prior to doing this I had never cheated on a BF. Can you say the same about yourself with regard to GFs, possible wife(ves), etc.? Guess what, the girl that the boy was interested in, instantly became a dirty, worthless piece of you know what in his eyes. My heart was broken and it negatively impacted my business as you can imagine. It was hard to put on a brave face with clients, but I did my best. I'm certain his business, life and heart didn't suffer nearly as much as mine, especially as he was chasing after my BFF, you know, the one that was sleeping with everyone under the sun willy nilly (i.e. unprotected sexually) at the time, both immediately afterward and I'm pretty certain during as well. Given everything, do you honestly believe that this man never cheated on anyone in his entire then 50 year old life? No hypocrisy there! He even admitted to me to having ripped people off in a very childish manner with his buddies when much younger. Having left an extremely abusive home with no money at a young age, I have worked my can off to get where I am in life and never ripped anybody off along the way as I can't even imagine doing that. When I first started doing this, mostly due to naivete, I got short changed, etc. and have never used my bad experiences with regard to this matter as a justification to do the same to others. However, as a result of this real life, not hypothetical experience of revelation, I vowed to never ever tell anyone what I do again. If it looks like things are getting really serious I'll get out of the biz and they'll be none the wiser. So forgive me if protecting myself now takes precedence over any moral high ground. I am a testament to the fact that the old adage, "the truth will set one free" is not always the case and unless you've been through what I have, don't talk to me about right and wrong. Like I said before, it's easy to say "I'd never do that" or "she should tell him", but until you have, STFU as you have absolutely no point of reference from which to base these statements or beliefs on! Oh, and by the way, I never ratted out my truly slutty, now ex GF to him, which a lot of spiteful women would have done. Unless of course he's a member on here, reading this and putting two and two together.
On an interesting note, when using remedial methods to deal with young offenders, they are taught about the repercussions of their actions on everyone, not just the victim, but the victims family, their own, etc. It's called the ripple effect. These kids often don't think their actions through completely, as many so called adults don't either. The example I like to give is the purse snatcher who thinks the only damage they caused was to steal from someone. Wrong, because the person was a diabetic and their insulin was in their purse and as a result they couldn't take their shot/dose, leading to DKA and possibly even coma. They were then rushed to the hospital, costing the taxpayer, us, money and their SO had to take time off work to go see them. This is stressful for everyone involved and could include possible lost wages on top of the money that was stolen. The kid's been caught and is now in trouble with the law, which effects not only them but their family as well and again, us the tax payer, in court costs, etc. You get the bigger picture here.
I would also like to add that a very valid point made by me earlier, which got completely glossed over by ND and everyone else, was that we have no idea if his friend is being faithful to this woman or not. We are going on the assumption, there's that word again, that he is. Just as not everyone in ND's life knows what he does in his spare time, we and he do not know everything this fellow does in his.
P.S. If you out someone and it backfires on you, don't come on here crying about it as those who point fingers so often do when their so called good intentions go awry. However, if you've been outed like MPAsquared and others, I'll commiserate with you wholeheartedly!
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Getting back to the original post.
I wouldn't normally comment on this attention seeking statement. You sound like a very inexperienced person in life,
or simply put, very immature. What I can tell you, in my years of experience in these sort of matters is the following
"You never open your mouth, until you know what the shot is". This is the rule, that I abide by.
Its a rule based on principle and integrity as well as experience.
Sophia
I'm quite disappointed that you resort to personal attacks.
Unlike your experience, one of my friends would get recognized at least once on every trip to the mall (Sherway or Yorkdale). It was awkward enough that she often asked that we not go to certain restaurants because she knew that they were popular with clients/former clients. I'm not sure if avoiding them was for her benefit, or mine.
p.s. Feel free to ask MPASquared who stuck by her side when she was outed.
I'm quite disappointed that you resort to personal attacks.
Unlike your experience, one of my friends would get recognized at least once on every trip to the mall (Sherway or Yorkdale). It was awkward enough that she often asked that we not go to certain restaurants because she knew that they were popular with clients/former clients. I'm not sure if avoiding them was for her benefit, or mine.
p.s. Feel free to ask MPASquared who stuck by her side when she was outed.
Sophia, is it reaching to say that at some point in life, moral compass led you in a similar direction? I really appreciate your point of view. Please though, the pm situation is very real, and it was a one time thing from two different women. Ironically, they don't want to openly proclaim their position (outed?), and get into it with other people - and I respect that.
Titalian - Thank you for your eloquent words. I don't think you've read the full thread to understand the purpose of that initial post and I'm not going to tell you either, but please get back to normal. Doesn't someone need a link posted in their thread? or maybe the board needs another 'anyone seen' thread? What do you know about triggers?
I have never cheated on a gf. I have run through some decent numbers too, but only called 2 girls ever my 'gf' (one being an ex wife now) so that may play a role. I mainly got into this lifestyle due to heartbreak...paid for the first time in my mid thirties.
Went through way worse than being outed. Divorce (the source of my heartbreak) -- no stone left unturned. My life has been under scrutiny, and turned ablaze under the fire of a microscope - repeatedly. Lawyers, pre trial judges, conference judges, motions, legal clerks, fuck even the secretary got a piece. Never mind parents, friends and every other person under the sun. Me owning all of it, and accepting it, and defending my position - made me a happy winner. I find scars attractive though.
I'm all about drama free living - you don't have to believe me.
I chose to question the board for quick access to a lot of like minded people, and have been vocal in my appreciation for the input.
Kilgore - I've been laughing at that .GIF for a long time. Thank you.
