Leaf Nation - A Bright Future?

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So with this season pretty much at an end, I have some observations to make about everyone's favourite NHL Franchise.

Lets start by analyzing the Kessel deal. Thirty goals in 69 games played, 25 assists and a minus 9. Those aren't bad numbers. Some fans will cry that Toronto will now be losing a second overall draft pick in the first round, but if we look at Taveres (who was a first overall), he has played 80 games, scored twenty two goals, and has 28 assist for a total of 50 points (5 less then Kessel, but playing in 11 more games than Kessel).

So, by logical extension, even if the Leafs had a first or second overall draft - the numbers for that draft pick would not necessarily be as good as Kessel's numbers. Add to the equation that the Leafs traded something they weren't going to see a return on until next season at the earliest (namely a 1st round draft pick for next season), to get a top player for this season - and it becomes difficult to argue that they got the short end of the stick here.

Its also important to note that by keeping Kadri in the OHL, the Leafs will in fact have a recent first drafter on the ice next year afterall - just not two like they would have Had if they hadn't made the Kessel deal.

Its possible Kaberle can be traded for a 2nd round pick, he is a decent defenceman - and again, things seem to be looking good for Leaf nation.

The big question mark is The Monster. He didn't impress for much of the season, so much so in fact, that Giguere was brought in to steady the ship. Since then, however, he seems to have found some form - although the team as a whole is playing better now (so perhaps The Monster has simply been the beneficiary of that). The question is whether he is a genuine starter? His seasons numbers are 16 wins 15 losses a 2.87 Goals Against Average, and a .902 save percentage. In my book that is not good enough to be anything more than a back up.

At the end of the day, I am simply not sold on him as a starter. Apart from Salo a few years ago and Lundqvuist now, goaltending is not considered something the Swedes particularly excel at - and a second rate goaltender will scuttle any shot the Leafs have of making the playoffs next season. I hope they realize this before its too late.

My recommendation for them would be to pick up Carey Price while the Habs are happy to give him away and then, perhaps, with a little luck - Leaf Nation will sip from Lord Stanley's Cup again. :)
 
I am praying that Jeff Finger somehow gets dealt or at the very least bought out. I still think Komisarek was a mistake...in short, they're still years away from competing.
 
If the Leafs keep building from within and draft well they will be competitive in about 3 years. Keep it going and they'll be contenders in 5-6 years. Burke just can't fall into free agent signings. Don't dole out big money for names. Kessel is a pure scorer - all he needs is a pure assist man to play with and he's a 40-50 goal man and an allstar. Keep drafting guys like Schenn and Kadri. Hanson and Bozak are developing. Gustafsson will be a solid #1 goalie. The Leafs have the basic pieces in place. Sure they'll miss the playoffs probably for the next 2 years but watch out after that if they stay the course and don't listen to impatient Leaf fans and the idiot Leaf media in Toronto.
 
hmmm ... an interesting summation, mb2010. Let's not forget though that it was not only a 2010 first round pick that was traded for Kessel but also a 2011 first round pick and a 2010 second round pick. And because of the draft lottery these days it it not necessarily a 2nd overall pick. The odds are that it will be but it could be a 1st overall pick or a 3rd overall pick.
 
You can couch it any way you want, the Phil Kessel deal sets the Leafs back another 5 seasons. Yes Kessel is a goal scorer but he's not very stout-hearted, he's half the player that the under-appreciated Sundin was. It's been decreed that the Leafs must make the playoffs next season - expect more draft choices to be traded away. Even if Birke sings some top free agents the Leafs have nothing of value coming from the Marlies; you cannot build a team with a denuded talent pool. Birke and the ALL HIGHEST (Richard Peddie) have no concept of this bitter reality.

Tuukka Rask looks like he'll be a very good goaltender.
 
Remember that Tavares is still only 19 and Kessel 22. Kessel has been in the leauge 4 years longer. Give Tavares time and he will develop into a star. Look at what Stamkos did in his second year.
 
If the Leafs keep building from within and draft well they will be competitive in about 3 years. Keep it going and they'll be contenders in 5-6 years. Burke just can't fall into free agent signings. Don't dole out big money for names. Kessel is a pure scorer - all he needs is a pure assist man to play with and he's a 40-50 goal man and an allstar. Keep drafting guys like Schenn and Kadri. Hanson and Bozak are developing. Gustafsson will be a solid #1 goalie. The Leafs have the basic pieces in place. Sure they'll miss the playoffs probably for the next 2 years but watch out after that if they stay the course and don't listen to impatient Leaf fans and the idiot Leaf media in Toronto.

Good analysis from a sens fan.
 
So with this season pretty much at an end, I have some observations to make about everyone's favourite NHL Franchise.

Lets start by analyzing the Kessel deal. Thirty goals in 69 games played, 25 assists and a minus 9. Those aren't bad numbers. Some fans will cry that Toronto will now be losing a second overall draft pick in the first round, but if we look at Taveres (who was a first overall), he has played 80 games, scored twenty two goals, and has 28 assist for a total of 50 points (5 less then Kessel, but playing in 11 more games than Kessel).

Brutal fail. Your comparing players at two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT stages of development.

Your also forgetting another top five pick in 2011.
 
IMO the mistake that Burke made in the Kessel deal was that he over-evaluated the talent on the team at the time he made it. He thought he had a team that could seriously challenge for a playoff spot with a Kessel in the lineup; if he had any thought that he Leafs could possibly fall into a lottery-pick situation, he likely wouldn't have made the deal.

Anyway, what's done is done, he made the right moves after he realized his mistake in cleaning out the "deadwoods" and replaced them with young guys and we'll see what are his strategies for the next season.
 
Let's not forget though that it was not only a 2010 first round pick that was traded for Kessel but also a 2011 first round pick and a 2010 second round pick.
I did not know that.

Nevertheless, I still think the Leafs have come out ahead on the deal. Since 2000, there have only been 2 players the Leafs drafted in the first round who ever materialized into a really decent players, namely Brad Boyes and Tukka Rask. Schenn isn't that brilliant, and all in all, it can fairly be said that the Leafs don't do such a good job at picking (or hanging onto) good first round drafts. We come to the proverbial bird in the hand being worth more than two in the bush. I still think there is reason to be hopeful and optimistic next season, and would expect at least a better than .500 record from the Leafs after 82 games.
 
Other than Kessel, who's going to score the goals that win games? Every good team has at least 4-6 20 goal scorers. The Leafs have 1.
 
Every good team has at least 4-6 20 goal scorers.

Check your stats, there are only 108 players in the league that have 20 or more. I haven't checked, but I bet only a handfull of teams have 4-6 players with 20. And the Leafs did trade at least 3 away.
 
Check your stats, there are only 108 players in the league that have 20 or more. I haven't checked, but I bet only a handfull of teams have 4-6 players with 20. And the Leafs did trade at least 3 away.

I did say "good" teams. Let say the top 4. On the other hand, a Crosby or an Ovechkin counts as two 20 goal scorers.
 
I did say "good" teams. Let say the top 4. On the other hand, a Crosby or an Ovechkin counts as two 20 goal scorers.

Rangers only have one player with more than 20 goals, and they are looking to sneak into the final playoff spot in the Eastern conference. So if they can do it with one, then the Leafs can do it with Kessel (and hopefully Nadri as well).
 
Who was the goalie Salo? I wouldn't want Price....

I do not want Price either.

Tommy Salo was a goalie for both NY Isles, first four years '95-'99, and Colorado, played five games in '03/'04 final NHL season.
Salo was most known for playing in Edmonton for six seasons '99-'04. He had his best seasons in Edmonton and was a Oiler Fan Favorite.
 
So with this season pretty much at an end, I have some observations to make about everyone's favourite NHL Franchise.


My recommendation for them would be to pick up Carey Price while the Habs are happy to give him away and then, perhaps, with a little luck - Leaf Nation will sip from Lord Stanley's Cup again. :)

Only if the Leaf give Kadri & Kaberle & Schenn and Kessel then and only then they will get Carey Price. This will not happen. So basically your are fucking dreaming if Habs going give Carey Price to the Leaf!!!!


Kessel is a pure scorer - all he needs is a pure assist man to play with and he's a 40-50 goal man and an allstar. .

Ha...Kessel is a medicore goal scorer. He is overrated!! This guy will never ever score more than 40 goal a season. He will mostly score in the around mid 30 goals....MOST LIKELY HE WILL SCORE AROUND THE LOW 30 RANGE if he is lucky. Next year he will only score around 29 or 30 goal.. and then he will demand to be trade when he get sick of always losing!!
 
Only if the Leaf give Kadri & Kaberle & Schenn and Kessel then and only then they will get Carey Price. This will not happen. So basically your are fucking dreaming if Habs going give Carey Price to the Leaf!!!!




Ha...Kessel is a medicore goal scorer. He is overrated!! This guy will never ever score more than 40 goal a season. He will mostly score in the around mid 30 goals....MOST LIKELY HE WILL SCORE AROUND THE LOW 30 RANGE if he is lucky. Next year he will only score around 29 or 30 goal.. and then he will demand to be trade when he get sick of always losing!!

This post is confirmation that consuming Jack Daniels before posting is never a good idea
 
Only if the Leaf give Kadri & Kaberle & Schenn and Kessel then and only then they will get Carey Price. This will not happen. So basically your are fucking dreaming if Habs going give Carey Price to the Leaf!!!!

You must be a huge Hab fan, you actually think Price is worth more than those 4 players...give your head a shake.




Ha...Kessel is a medicore goal scorer. He is overrated!! This guy will never ever score more than 40 goal a season. He will mostly score in the around mid 30 goals....MOST LIKELY HE WILL SCORE AROUND THE LOW 30 RANGE if he is lucky. Next year he will only score around 29 or 30 goal.. and then he will demand to be trade when he get sick of always losing!!

How many Habs had 30 goals?
 
Since the Leafs have a proven track record of drafting duds, we are probably better off with a proven 22 year old 35 goal scorer like Kessel.