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John_Jacob

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It’s gonna be a bad one…
Agreed. I think with all the easy money the last few years (shades of 2003-2007), the consumer may be maxed and I don't think China will be available to save the world this time.

Intensely curious about housing prices. With 2 incomes required, if one loses their job will we see a wave of selling. Don't know and the data is contradictory.
 

Darts

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Recession incoming
Yes, layoffs are a sure sign that a recession is not far away. Be nice to your boss if you haven't already been laid off.

If the recession hits in 2024 it will be bad news for Biden. He might pull a "Jimmy Carter" (i.e. try to trigger the recession in 2023 and get it over with).
 

John_Jacob

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Still, US at a multi-decade employment low. The media is too far left to investigate if they're good jobs or lower paying part time jobs but good numbers are good numbers. I suspect we've squeezed all we can out of the economy.

We really haven't had a recession since 2010. COVID doesn't really count. Given most 20-somethings have yet to experience that yes, economies & stock markets don't go up forever, it should be interesting....

I just hope the gov't doesn't prop up businesses that should go under. Destructive Capitalism is good in the long run.
 

onomatopoeia

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Still, US at a multi-decade employment low. The media is too far left to investigate if they're good jobs or lower paying part time jobs but good numbers are good numbers. I suspect we've squeezed all we can out of the economy.

We really haven't had a recession since 2010. COVID doesn't really count. Given most 20-somethings have yet to experience that yes, economies & stock markets don't go up forever, it should be interesting....

I just hope the gov't doesn't prop up businesses that should go under. Destructive Capitalism is good in the long run.
I think you mean unemployment.
 

johnd5050

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Agreed. I think with all the easy money the last few years (shades of 2003-2007), the consumer may be maxed and I don't think China will be available to save the world this time.

Intensely curious about housing prices. With 2 incomes required, if one loses their job will we see a wave of selling. Don't know and the data is contradictory.
Selling-no, unless some of the multi millionaires buy.
Most likely individuals will face the grim reality of foreclose and bankruptcy. Sad
 

southpaw

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I just hope the gov't doesn't prop up businesses that should go under. Destructive Capitalism is good in the long run.
Like when they propped up the banksters in 2008/2009? Destructive Capitalism sure would have worked well then.

Instead they got bailed out. I remember it well. It was painful to realize that it's a big club, and I'm not in it.
 

GeeBee

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Like when they propped up the banksters in 2008/2009? Destructive Capitalism sure would have worked well then.

Instead they got bailed out. I remember it well. It was painful to realize that it's a big club, and I'm not in it.
As the old saying goes:

If you owe a banker hundreds of thousands, even through no fault of your own, and can’t pay it back, it’s your problem. That’s capitalism my friend.

If the bank owes hundreds of millions and can’t pay it back it’s their shareholders problem. That too is capitalism my friend.

If the bank owes hundreds of Billions because it made stupid decisions based on wishful thinking and greed, then it’s your problem again because the bank never really believed in this capitalism bullshit and and really wants to be bailed out by your taxpayer dollars like a good social safety net for massive corporations.

Oh, and you’d better make it quick, we’ve got executive bonuses to pay ourselves at the end of the quarter.

Drinks at the club anyone?
 
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southpaw

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Oh, and you’d better make it quick, we’ve got executive bonuses to pay ourselves at the end of the quarter.
I'm experiencing some guilty pleasure reading that Goldman Sachs is laying off a few thousand banksters, and the ones who remain aren't getting 6 figure bonuses this year.

I believe the Germans call this Schadenfreude.
 

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Darts

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As the old saying goes:

If you owe a banker hundreds of thousands, even through no fault of your own, and can’t pay it back, it’s your problem. That’s capitalism my friend.

If the bank owes hundreds of millions and can’t pay it back it’s their shareholders problem. That too is capitalism my friend.

If the bank owes hundreds of Billions because it made stupid decisions based on wishful thinking and greed, then it’s your problem again because the bank never really believed in this capitalism bullshit and and really wants to be bailed out by your taxpayer dollars like a good social safety net for massive corporations.

Oh, and you’d better make it quick, we’ve got executive bonuses to pay ourselves at the end of the quarter.

Drinks at the club anyone?
The banks never got any money from the governments without giving fair consideration in return.

"A spokeswoman for the Canadian Bankers Association said government support was meant to help banks lend to small business, not to protect the banks from failure.

“Not one bank in Canada was in danger of going bankrupt or required the government to buy an equity stake under taxpayer-funded bailouts,” said Rachel Swiednicki."
 

GeeBee

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The banks never got any money from the governments without giving fair consideration in return.

"A spokeswoman for the Canadian Bankers Association said government support was meant to help banks lend to small business, not to protect the banks from failure.

“Not one bank in Canada was in danger of going bankrupt or required the government to buy an equity stake under taxpayer-funded bailouts,” said Rachel Swiednicki."
Oh I agree. Canada was well insulated from the disaster of the financial meltdown. Mainly through good regulation and public policy which forced them to pay much closer attention to their exposure to the biggest excesses of the sub-prime fiasco and forced banks to have much higher reserves than their American cousins.

I was referring to big international banks.
 

Hippopotamus

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Getting used to hearing these, every week, Even after the Covid is almost over. They always make it to the news chart- both Mass Hirings, and Mass Layoffs. I may be wrong, however, to me, Paradoxically it seems that the Bigger the Players/companies, the more the insecurity among their workers.
 
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