Latest Star story of police abuse: DUI beaten by cops...

[danmand]

But whose kidding who here, the guy was caught red-handed. Beat his ass and let him go. Will accomplish a lot more than charging him and the ensuing court battle.

Sure, why not give the police the authority to charge, convict and do the punishment right on the spot. very efficient.

 

[wazup]

Cops beat a guy up who deserved it, who cares.

 

[nottyboi]

The better outcome would have been for the drunkard to have killed a mother - wife. Oh and throw in a kid or two. Might as well add in a dog.

People who still drink and drive get off way too easy.

You won't get any sympathy from me.

So what do you do when a sober driver kills a mother, wife or kid? ...

 

[nottyboi]

Cops beat a guy up who deserved it, who cares.

I think the point of this series....is they often beat up people who DON'T deserve it.....this guy just happened to be more deserving. When you have sadists as police, you can bet beating will be handed out regularly.

 

[Asterix]

I'm going to make some reasonable assumptions (which I can't prove) about what might make me lose it I was this cop.

I'm chasing down a drunk driver who ran a red light. My computer data may tell me he's a repeat offender. The judicial system can do nothing to stop this guy from driving drunk, because he is sick as well as a convicted criminal. In my job, I have had to deal with the outcomes of fatal accidents due to drunk driving.

I get angry and give this guy something to remember next time he has difficulty dealing with his illness.

Morally wrong, I guess so. Am I as excited about the principles of justice? Well yes, if you include rough justice and the court system. This guy was guilty times 5.....not an innocent boy scout.

Then guess what? Next day you stop being a cop. With your attitude hopefully they would have weeded you out before you even got close to being in the police.

 

[Asterix]

Sure, why not give the police the authority to charge, convict and do the punishment right on the spot. very efficient.

Been done many times. Pick whichever point in history you like.

 

[pepsiman]

I have heard MANY stories of cops stopping a drunk driver and following him home .. Or driving the drunk home .. and that was only 40 -50 years ago .. The cop knew most people on his beat .Times have changed for sure ..
No one knows the neighbor next door .. these days
Now drinking and driving is looked upon as something you should be took out back and shot for .
I do not drink .. Let alone drink and drive ..
But ... If you drink and drive .. and get caught .... You get a very stiff fine .. You did not kill any one or even run in the ditch .
The next guy runs a red light writes his car off and the one he hits .. But is sober ... He gets a lesser fine than a drunk driving . and stopping for the light .
No laws are perfect for sure .. But I do think we have some stupid ones

 

[mandrill]

Clear abuse of power. Hopefully, the guy has launched a civil suit. The suit will almost certainly be successful and the guy will get major compensation which the Durham taxpayers will foot as part of their municipal taxes. And then, belatedly, the cop who did this beating will be fired and jailed.

We are talking major injuries here, not just a few scrapes and bruises to "teach the guy a lesson".

 

[Garrett]

I think the point of this series....is they often beat up people who DON'T deserve it.....this guy just happened to be more deserving. When you have sadists as police, you can bet beating will be handed out regularly.

So the point is, they beat up people who do not deserve it, but this guy, well, not so much. In addition, there is the very odd gap in what the medical examiners reported, and his condition a week later.

A key point in trying to use a case to hammer home your point is to use the right case. You have fucked this one up large.

I have no idea what really happened, and neither do you. However, your hard on for cops is making you drive statements you cannot support.

 

[Aardvark154]

Clear abuse of power. Hopefully, the guy has launched a civil suit. The suit will almost certainly be successful. . .We are talking major injuries here, not just a few scrapes and bruises to "teach the guy a lesson".

That is one of my criticisms of the article Oagre. Indeed Hafeez Mohamed has filed a lawsuit against the police services board and the constables alleging excessive force in his arrest May 24, 2006, however, the article does not mention when the suit was filed or what the curent status of the suit is.

Further, the following quotation likely shows the precipitating factor Constable Prasanth Tella, testified at the bail hearing that "Mohamed's van lurched forward and almost ran him down. Tella said he had to jump on the hood of the van to escape injury."

 

[Aardvark154]

Cops beat a guy up who deserved it, who cares.

Beating may under very limited circumstances be justified, however, beating someone so severely that they are hospitalized on a respirator is pretty doggone hard to justify.

On the other hand this was not flailing nightsticks, rather a flailing fist.

 

[GotGusto]

Yes that's the usual treatment for severe alcohol addiction. Works wonders. The guy was 4 times over the legal limit. I'm surprised he wasn't comatose. Get him off the road, take away his car, lock him up, do whatever needs be done to get him clean, and if that can't be done keep him locked up or on a very short leash. Cops have no business beating on people who pose no immediate threat.

If events occured the way the victim says they did, what the cops did is illegal. I expect lawsuits and the whole kit and kaboodle.

But I don't have much sympathy for the victim. He was an immediate threat to everybody on the road.

 

[nottyboi]

So the point is, they beat up people who do not deserve it, but this guy, well, not so much. In addition, there is the very odd gap in what the medical examiners reported, and his condition a week later.

A key point in trying to use a case to hammer home your point is to use the right case. You have fucked this one up large.

I have no idea what really happened, and neither do you. However, your hard on for cops is making you drive statements you cannot support.

No I think this case is still valid. You have two cops that beat up a guy, conflicting eyewitness reports from the subject officers and another officer who was a witness. Clearly SOMEONE is lying. And lying in a police report is a pretty serious situation. Just the conflict beween the reports will pretty much gurantee that tax payers will have to pay this guy a substantial settlement. So from that perspective, they have cost us a PILE of money.

 

[zz000ter]

Situations like this show that it is good to have a racially diverse police force.

Cop Prasanth Tella slammed a fist into his head, neck and shoulder at least seven times into drunk driver Hafeez Mohamed

Just imagine if the cops name was John Smith - well then there would have been a shitstorm as the police force would be racist and that is a whole lot worse than the cops beating up a drunk drive.

So - to avoid bad PR only brown cops are allowed to beat up brown citizens, black cops are allowed to beat up black citizens and white cops are allowed to beat up white citizens.

You have two cops that beat up a guy, conflicting eyewitness reports from the subject officers and another officer who was a witness. Clearly SOMEONE is lying. And lying in a police report is a pretty serious situation.

Cops lie all the time so that they can get more points for arrests that stick.

 

[Asterix]

If events occured the way the victim says they did, what the cops did is illegal. I expect lawsuits and the whole kit and kaboodle.

But I don't have much sympathy for the victim. He was an immediate threat to everybody on the road.

Once he was stopped by the police he ceased to be an immediate threat. Get it?

 

[mandrill]

That is one of my criticisms of the article Oagre. Indeed Hafeez Mohamed has filed a lawsuit against the police services board and the constables alleging excessive force in his arrest May 24, 2006, however, the article does not mention when the suit was filed or what the curent status of the suit is.

Further, the following quotation likely shows the precipitating factor Constable Prasanth Tella, testified at the bail hearing that "Mohamed's van lurched forward and almost ran him down. Tella said he had to jump on the hood of the van to escape injury."

I'm sure that HM was an extremely provocative and annoying man and I would hope that a well-trained police officer would be able to keep his temper and act professionally, as do other professionals and public servants under trying circumstances.

As with the "shattered jaw" case some weeks ago, there is a distinction between a couple of extra hard shots to the ribs or gut to "teach the suspect a lesson" and a beating so severe that the suspect is hospitalized or crippled. In the former case, a judge might turn a blind eye to the police action. In the latter case, the conduct is itself a danger to not only this suspect, but the public in general if allowed to continue and has to be severely sanctioned.

Another poster mentioned some discrepancy in HM's medical reports. So we'll see if he is credible and how this one plays out.

 

[GotGusto]

Once he was stopped by the police he ceased to be an immediate threat. Get it?

Until the next time he is on the road smashed, like so many times before.

 

[afterhours]

third time impaired or over 80 is 6 months jail MINIMUM
he was supposed to get the shit beaten out of him by fellow inmates. This is a proper civilized way to corporally punish our citizens.

 

[mandrill]

third time impaired or over 80 is 6 months jail MINIMUM
he was supposed to get the shit beaten out of him by fellow inmates. This is a proper civilized way to corporally punish our citizens.

Well said, afterhours. Well said.

 

[Asterix]

Until the next time he is on the road smashed, like so many times before.

Then take the opportunity away from him, take his car and lock him up, or do you think cops have the right to kick the shit out of someone for what they pressume they will do?