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Frankfooter

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Will you apologize for backing the genocide that Hamas is perpetrating on their own people?
Will you apologize for backing the genocidal attack (as per Kautilya's parameters for genocide) of Oct.7?
Israel is committing genocide, not Hamas.
Your wife beater's defence is just sad and disgusting.

 
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jalimon

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by the October 7th slaughter at the rave festival Hamas created war.

by the inhuman and crazy war response destroying all of Gaza Israel created thousand and thousands of future Hamas fighters.

there is never a real winner in war.
 

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its hard to look at such post. As i said there is no winner in a war. Never. I have many colleagues in Israel. They all are against the strong occupation their country impose. But on the other hand they ask what is the solution? It as been made clear that their opponents wants to eradicate Israel. Iran and many other countries wants to pulverize them off the map...
 

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its hard to look at such post. As i said there is no winner in a war. Never. I have many colleagues in Israel. They all are against the strong occupation their country impose. But on the other hand they ask what is the solution? It as been made clear that their opponents wants to eradicate Israel. Iran and many other countries wants to pulverize them off the map...
Israel proved that giving Palestinians almost equal rights means they will live peacefully with Israeli Jews. 'Israeli Arabs' show that allowing them to live their lives means they can live peacefully.

Trying to demonize Palestinians as genocidal while Israel is committing genocide and still stealing their land is disingenuous.
That said, its going to take decades for Palestinians to get over the genocide of their people and the destruction of Gaza.
Only after there are full war crimes trials and full restitution can this even start.




 

jalimon

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Israel proved that giving Palestinians almost equal rights means they will live peacefully with Israeli Jews. 'Israeli Arabs' show that allowing them to live their lives means they can live peacefully.

Trying to demonize Palestinians as genocidal while Israel is committing genocide and still stealing their land is disingenuous.
That said, its going to take decades for Palestinians to get over the genocide of their people and the destruction of Gaza.
Only after there are full war crimes trials and full restitution can this even start.
You know I once said to my friends in Israel many years ago, who were complaining about their 'neighbours', that they do not have the monopoly of sufferance.

Kind of shook them that I said that but then they asked 'Yet how do you solve the situation?'

My friends tell me the situation is similar to Ukraine. If we give up Ukraine to Russia Putin will simply then extend further. He wants all of eastern europe to build back the russian empire.

Israelian feel the same. If they give up they will be eradicated.
 

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You know I once said to my friends in Israel many years ago, who were complaining about their 'neighbours', that they do not have the monopoly of sufferance.

Kind of shook them that I said that but then they asked 'Yet how do you solve the situation?'

My friends tell me the situation is similar to Ukraine. If we give up Ukraine to Russia Putin will simply then extend further. He wants all of eastern europe to build back the russian empire.

Israelian feel the same. If they give up they will be eradicated.
Except that Israelis are Putin in that metaphor. Zionism is a foreign, colonial movement. Netanyahu is Polish, not Israeli.
The Balfour declaration gave half of Palestine to 7% of the population and since then zionists have taken the rest, fully wiping Palestine off the map.
They are the invaders against the indigenous population that still outnumbers them.

Palestinians not only 'feel' they might be eradicated, they are going through an eradication in the form of genocide.

How do you think this can be solved?

This chart is 6 years old and the numbers are now only higher.

 

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Except that Israelis are Putin in that metaphor. Zionism is a foreign, colonial movement. Netanyahu is Polish, not Israeli.
The Balfour declaration gave half of Palestine to 7% of the population and since then zionists have taken the rest, fully wiping Palestine off the map.
They are the invaders against the indigenous population that still outnumbers them.

Palestinians not only 'feel' they might be eradicated, they are going through an eradication in the form of genocide.

How do you think this can be solved?

This chart is 6 years old and the numbers are now only higher.
I have no clue how to eradicate such a problem.

In life very often huge problem eradicates with tragedy. After flooding, sickness, fire, tornado, being fired, death of close relatives, etc... Events that put you with no choice to change your current situation.

The only thing I am sure of is as long as each other will keep bombing each other nothing will get better. And also as long as each party keeps putting religious beliefs ahead of humanity nothing will get resolved.

I have heard Palestinians whose kids were bombed said that it doesn't matter as long as they died as martyrs... How was I able to answer that?

It reminds me of these Islamic immigrants to Canada who murder their daughters because they dishonor the family by going to a few parties and dressing unproperly... Even after putting these ass holes in jail for life, they will still think they did what was right...
 

Frankfooter

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I have heard Palestinians whose kids were bombed said that it doesn't matter as long as they died as martyrs... How was I able to answer that?

It reminds me of these Islamic immigrants to Canada who murder their daughters because they dishonor the family by going to a few parties and dressing unproperly... Even after putting these ass holes in jail for life, they will still think they did what was right...
You have to get past demonizing Palestinians and your own racism towards them. They are just people, though people that have lived under military occupation almost their entire lives.

Refaat Alareer was an internationally known poet and professor in Gaza, where they had a higher literacy rate than in Israel. He received a phone call from the IDF warning him so he walked away from his family before he was assassinated by drones.

This is his most famous poem.

“IF I MUST DIE”
BY REFAAT ALAREER

If I must die,

you must live

to tell my story

to sell my things

to buy a piece of cloth

and some strings,

(make it white with a long tail)

so that a child, somewhere in Gaza

while looking heaven in the eye

awaiting his dad who left in a blaze—

and bid no one farewell

not even to his flesh

not even to himself—

sees the kite, my kite you made, flying up above

and thinks for a moment an angel is there

bringing back love

If I must die

let it bring hope

let it be a tale
 

jalimon

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You have to get past demonizing Palestinians and your own racism towards them. They are just people, though people that have lived under military occupation almost their entire lives.

Refaat Alareer was an internationally known poet and professor in Gaza, where they had a higher literacy rate than in Israel. He received a phone call from the IDF warning him so he walked away from his family before he was assassinated by drones.

This is his most famous poem.

“IF I MUST DIE”
BY REFAAT ALAREER

If I must die,

you must live

to tell my story

to sell my things

to buy a piece of cloth

and some strings,

(make it white with a long tail)

so that a child, somewhere in Gaza

while looking heaven in the eye

awaiting his dad who left in a blaze—

and bid no one farewell

not even to his flesh

not even to himself—

sees the kite, my kite you made, flying up above

and thinks for a moment an angel is there

bringing back love

If I must die

let it bring hope

let it be a tale
I have zero racism towards Palestinians. I seriously hope Israel will stop this war and their crazyness.

You know Iran was an amazing great country before they turned religious jerk. A little bit like the US will turn in a few years if they keep going Trump.

Humans are really bad at forgiving. Bad. Both side. There is never a side.
 

Frankfooter

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I have zero racism towards Palestinians. I seriously hope Israel will stop this war and their crazyness.

You know Iran was an amazing great country before they turned religious jerk. A little bit like the US will turn in a few years if they keep going Trump.

Humans are really bad at forgiving. Bad. Both side. There is never a side.
You claim to have zero racism yet have made about 3 posts in a row accusing Palestinians and Muslims of genocidal hate.
Iran was a democracy before the US/UK sponsored coup, Lebanon and Palestine were flourishing, multicultural states with Beirut the Paris of the middle east. Now Syria is destroyed, Lebanon being bombed, Yemen attacked and Iran repeatedly being goaded into war.

Its going to take decades to recover from this genocide.

Zionism really is the problem.
 

jalimon

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You claim to have zero racism yet have made about 3 posts in a row accusing Palestinians and Muslims of genocidal hate.
Iran was a democracy before the US/UK sponsored coup, Lebanon and Palestine were flourishing, multicultural states with Beirut the Paris of the middle east. Now Syria is destroyed, Lebanon being bombed, Yemen attacked and Iran repeatedly being goaded into war.

Its going to take decades to recover from this genocide.

Zionism really is the problem.
Iran is responsible for their debacle. Just like the US will be in a few years.

I am not racist. I live in Canada and all I want is to make sure any immigrants respect who we are and keep their religion at home.

Just last year I had a soccer player on the team I coach saying he would not be able to make any of the practice because his father wanted him to follow some religious Muslim shit I know shit about.

I told him fine make a choice soccer or religion. He dared to show up to the last game of the year (which was the final for the league cup) I told him he was not playing my lineup was done.

His father came after me after the game and I simply told him you made a choice which I respected.
 

Frankfooter

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Iran is responsible for their debacle. Just like the US will be in a few years.

I am not racist.
But you said this.
I have heard Palestinians whose kids were bombed said that it doesn't matter as long as they died as martyrs... How was I able to answer that?

It reminds me of these Islamic immigrants to Canada who murder their daughters because they dishonor the family by going to a few parties and dressing unproperly... Even after putting these ass holes in jail for life, they will still think they did what was right...
 

jalimon

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But you said this.
Nothing is racist in what I wrote.

Hamas attacked young people having fun in a rave in Israel. Big mistake. If you read back I did write that it was a huge mistake to attack and rape young Israelis having fun.

Israel responded (way too heavily and without any concern for humanity I admit). Yet they are at war now. While Gaza is being bomb their Hamas leader are drinking wine and screwing girls in Quatar. There is no winner in a war and every sentence seems like a provocation... and/or racism...

I have no clue how will we eventually solve this.

But one thing I know it is not by letting Islamic carry their crazy religious belief over here. I am a total atheist by the way.
 

Frankfooter

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Nothing is racist in what I wrote.

Hamas attacked young people having fun in a rave in Israel. Big mistake. If you read back I did write that it was a huge mistake to attack and rape young Israelis having fun.

Israel responded (way too heavily and without any concern for humanity I admit). Yet they are at war now. While Gaza is being bomb their Hamas leader are drinking wine and screwing girls in Quatar. There is no winner in a war and every sentence seems like a provocation... and/or racism...

I have no clue how will we eventually solve this.

But one thing I know it is not by letting Islamic carry their crazy religious belief over here. I am a total atheist by the way.
There is racism in the previous post and racism in that post as well, combined with factual innacuracies.
There were no rapes by Hamas on Oct 7, there are no victims, no names, no evidence and reporters have been fired over those stories.

I rely on third party reports, Amnesty, HRW, B'tselem, etc for real reports along with legit news sources and video documentation.
Gaza had a higher literacy rate than Israel, they have lived through 17 years of blockade and a 16 year old kid has lived through 6 attacks or 'wars' on Gaza.

The primary issue is the occupation and is still the occupation. Until that is ended and the leaders of both sides taken to court for war crimes there can be no recovery. End the occupation, end apartheid, bring in equal rights.

The occupation and blockade didn't start on Oct 7, its been ongoing for half a century.

 
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